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Gang Violence Puts Idaho Town on Edge
AP News ^ | Oct 28 2004 | BOB FICK

Posted on 10/28/2004 7:54:02 PM PDT by stopillegalimmigration

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To: jwb0581; Jeff Head
As to culture, I'll give you the "eastern" culture perspective..

I grew up in eastern N. Dakota.. flatter than Kansas, and that's saying some.. ( N. Dakota was, at one time, the 3rd largest nuclear power in the world. ICBM Missile silos, and Minot Air Force Base were a major part of the economy. )

Sparsely populated, North Dakota tends toward agriculture, large tract farms, and people are (generally) descended from German, Polish, Russian, Norwegian immigrants.. with the usual Irish, etc.. mixed in, but the above groups are definitely in the majority..
Mostly small farming communities, and while the people themselves are fairly conservative, for some reason they tend to vote fairly liberal.. ( Lots of democrats in government )

South Dakota is pretty much the same, with a somewhat higher emphasis on ranching ( beef cattle ) and less on the agriculture.. ( not so sure the difference is that defined, but there is a difference. )

As Jeff mentioned, as you move westward, just before you hit Montana - Wyoming, you find the Badlands, in N.D., and the Black Hills in S.D..
Rougher ground, more "western" atmosphere, tourism based economy..

Moving into the Montana - Wyoming area, you start getting into the "foothills", and in Montana, what is called the "Little Rockies" area..
Again, tourism, such as Little Bighorn, Yellowstone, Glacier National Park, and Ranching, with some agriculture..
Local culture is probably what you would expect.. there are "town" folk, tourists, and farmers-ranchers...
Farmers and Ranchers don't generally have much to do with townies or (especially) with tourists..
Townies are necessary, that's where the banks are, and the grocery store, shopping center, Wal-mart, etc..
But let's face it, tourism is what keeps the Towns and Resorts going, and prices near such areas are inflated.. That makes living expensive..
While the towns and resorts need that tourist season income, the ranchers tend to resent the tourists.. even though the farmers and ranchers don't actually produce enough income to support the towns, and do nothing to support the resorts.

From say, central Wyoming- Montana on west, I can't give much insight.. But I guess the tourism goes down, meaning less income for communities, and farming - ranching becomes the major economic driver..

Large cities are rare, large towns likewise, but small towns are dying out, and many small farming communities are struggling to survive...
Throughout the plains states, from North Dakota to Kansas, small communities are offering incentives like free land, tax incentives, etc.. to attract families and small business in hopes of surviving..

On immigration / immigrants, while North Dakota has had a long history of migrant mexican labor, I don't recall many mexicans ever staying year-round..
It gets Da***n cold up there..

More than you ever wanted to know, I'll bet..

81 posted on 10/28/2004 9:27:56 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: sandyeggo

Oh dear, thanks for the links I guess.



82 posted on 10/28/2004 9:29:26 PM PDT by primeval patriot (Love and death ain't no physical thing)
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To: sandyeggo
Careful with some of that stuff. This is a site that welcomes legal Americans of all backgrounds.

If you don't agree, perhaps you should consider going elsewhere.

83 posted on 10/28/2004 9:31:52 PM PDT by IStillBelieve ( "The historic Grey Monster in Fenley Park is seared - seared - into my memory." - John Kerry)
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To: IStillBelieve

Just think--these criminals are keeping cops from becoming lazy, chair-riding, doughnut-snarfing heart attacks waiting to happen. Keeping the police well-exercised and fit! Thank you, illegals!


84 posted on 10/28/2004 9:36:26 PM PDT by Calico Cat (the simplest solution is usually the correct one)
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To: stopillegalimmigration

NOBDOY wants this enormous influx. Even the owners of the companies that employ this cheap labor live in neighborhoods far from the high-crime Latino areas and send their kids to different schools.

When will politicians realize that they'd gain a hell of a lot more votes by seriously cracking down on this problem than they'd gain by courting the elusive 'Hispanic' vote?


85 posted on 10/28/2004 9:39:10 PM PDT by Calico Cat (the simplest solution is usually the correct one)
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To: IStillBelieve

Come on man, get a grip. Sandy isn't promoting that stuff.


86 posted on 10/28/2004 9:43:26 PM PDT by primeval patriot (Love and death ain't no physical thing)
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To: primeval patriot
Come on man, get a grip. Sandy isn't promoting that stuff.

I hope not. And if I've impugned the character of a reputable poster, I apologize. I only reacted to what I saw in the post.

87 posted on 10/28/2004 9:45:27 PM PDT by IStillBelieve ( "The historic Grey Monster in Fenley Park is seared - seared - into my memory." - John Kerry)
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To: jwb0581

Just take a shotgun and add skeet shooting to the agenda. Just don't be surprised when the targets go "Splat!" instead of "Poof!"


88 posted on 10/28/2004 9:45:57 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: IStillBelieve

That goes for you too.


89 posted on 10/28/2004 9:46:01 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

See #87.


90 posted on 10/28/2004 9:47:08 PM PDT by IStillBelieve ( "The historic Grey Monster in Fenley Park is seared - seared - into my memory." - John Kerry)
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To: sandyeggo

Hah!!! 141,000 for Oregon? Well, that might have been true in 2000, but today it's got to be several times that. A mere 141,000 would blend in, and believe me, it's legal americans that are the unusual ones to see in many areas now.


91 posted on 10/28/2004 9:48:09 PM PDT by Advil
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To: IStillBelieve

I agree with 86.


92 posted on 10/28/2004 9:50:26 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Calico Cat

Politicians have rendered this a non-issue for the American voters. If neither party addresses the issue and will do nothing about it, then it is a non-issue for we the voter. Do not like my position on immigration, tough vote for my opponent who holds same policy as me. Where much power and money are involved, we have no vote on the issue. This is ultimately the way that they will deal with gay marriage issue also. Democracy only applies to issues that they can not profit on.


93 posted on 10/28/2004 9:52:14 PM PDT by stopillegalimmigration
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To: lawdog

The current administration plans to solve that illegal alien problem, just make them all legal. No more problem.


94 posted on 10/28/2004 9:58:58 PM PDT by Pelham
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To: dagnabbit

I'll second that.


97 posted on 10/28/2004 10:02:23 PM PDT by Pelham
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To: Ragnarok105
But I still think that stopping the entire flow of illegals into the nation is not the answer.

You have a self-interest in keeping the door open?

98 posted on 10/28/2004 10:05:19 PM PDT by Pelham
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To: stopillegalimmigration
Do not like my position on immigration, tough vote for my opponent who holds same policy as me.

On one hand we're told yes, illegal immigration is bad but please be quiet and tow the line because the opponent is worse.

But if GWB wins, the same people who said vote R and be silent will declare his victory a mandate for a no holds barred amnesty and continued mass invasion.

I don't know what Kerry would do but the President's track record tells me to expect more of the same.

99 posted on 10/28/2004 10:09:13 PM PDT by primeval patriot (Love and death ain't no physical thing)
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To: Jeff Head; Joe Hadenuf

A true bellweather in the criminal alien invasion will be the electoral fate of US Rep David Dreier next tuesday.

If this illegal alien pandering RINO is knocked off by "Political Human Sacrifice," expect most other RINOs to suddenly "get religion."

If he is reelected, forget it. Put a fork in America, it's done.

Entonces, aprenda Espanol hoy, y evite la prisa manana.


100 posted on 10/28/2004 10:09:57 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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