Skip to comments.Last ditch appeal to Libertarians and Constitution voters:
Posted on 11/01/2004 6:34:54 AM PST by Agitate
Is your protest vote worth 4 years of John Kerry? Are you willing to risk appeasing terrorists, sellout to the UN and the EU, more taxes, less for the military, homosexual marriage and activist judges who will be there long after the president is gone, your for vote today? Sometimes you have to lose a battle to win the final war. Is a vote for a candidate who will not win worth 4 years of Kerrys extreme liberalism? I hope not.
Sometimes you have to lose a battle to win the final war. Is a vote for a candidate who will not win worth 4 years of Kerrys extreme liberalism? I hope not.
Unless the newly-constituted Supreme Court rules that there is a constitutional "right" to health care.
Ok, I'll bite.
Here's why I will not vote for Bush.
1. Federal government now involved with marriage counseling and distribution of tax dollars to so-called "faith based" organizations, ie, churches, mosques, synagogues, etc.
2. Horrific deficit spending, fiscal irresponsibility.
3. Corporate welfare. Halliburton is, I believe, just a drop in the bucket.
4. A war in a foreign county which, apparently, is now justified by the idea that we must impose our values on a foreign people. (PS: I did support the Afghanistan action.)
5. A belief that the American people need government big-brother protection more than they need the Bill of Rights and other constitutional guarantees. (We, the people, are not wimps.)
6. Will Kerry be good for our country? No. But the above is a liberal agenda, not a conservative agenda. So my last reason for not voting for Bush is this: the Republican Party needs to clean up its act and reexamine its commitment to small government, and allegience to the Consitution and the principles on which our country is based.
Moral-liberals will do what they think is best in electing moral-liberal Democrats, while those border-wedgies will see that Ralph Nader and his Socialist Worker's Party cohort best address their big concerns of 'border-tongue-kulture.'
And sorry for the non PC reference to your sex. Liberals are all about that, I guess you liberal Republicans just can't help yourselves.
BTW, I don't need some goofy Republicrat telling me how to vote.
I was voting for guys like Bush probably before you were born. And I'm voting for Bush. But I might puke after I do.
EMERGENCY is right!!!
Please, God help us. And let's do everything we can.
I prefer smaller, less intrusive government. I prefer fiscal responsibility. I prefer a government whose members have actually read the Constitution and abide by it. Things that I'm not going to get regardles of who wins the election.
You want me to vote for Bush by trying to make the case that he is the lesser of two evils. Well, the lesser of two evils is still evil, isn't it? So sorry, but I'll be voting my conscience tomorrow. But for what it's worth Bush should still carry my state by 20 points.
Another genius who thinks he/she can persuade others to agree with HIM/HER by insulting them.
Good point. Let's just get through this one, and then go from there. I know that's not a real good answer. Maybe under different circumstances I'd say something different.
Actually why vote for the lesser of two evils
No, trying to scare others into voting for your candidate is the true attack on freedom. Voting for who you want is exercising that freedom.
I'm amazed at the amount of begging, arguing, etc. that occurs on FreeRepublic that asks for people to abandon their core beliefs, hold their nose, and vote a certain way. Just because the Republican Party has sacrificed it's core values and is now the moderate party, all the conservatives are supposed to come along.
I wonder how people can make statements such as I read on this thread with a straight face, then go to other threads and talk about how the "minority" voter should stop blindly voting for the Democrats.
I will be voting for GWB, however I also admit that it is difficult to vote moderate when I am a conservative. The major plus to the current moderate party is that it has pushed the Democrat party so far left that their face is Michael Moore.
Now, let's hope GWB keeps his promise regarding SS and that he seriously consideres HR25.
Texas redistricting should guarantee and Republican house until at least 2012
Hey! The radical "WAR ON AMERICAN CULTURE" people are here!
I'm pretty sure that's a Democrat talking point. I must be trying to suppress the vote or somethin'.
THIS Libertarian is spliting his ticket...
What happened to change your mind?
You've already made it quite clear that anyone who doesn't agree with your conservative relativism is not a 'deep thinker.'
I'll not waste any more time arguing with a brick wall.
If the Republicans had this kind advice in the campaign they would get 2% of the vote.
When did the President become a "Conservative"?
You have already made it quite clear that you think you can convince people by insulting them.
By the way, I'm not a relativist, or a conservative. You haven't gotten a single thing right so far.
I'll not waste any more time arguing with a brick wall.
Always a good idea to stop digging when you are already in a hole.
Third party voter voting for Bush, and working for Bush victory, in a safe Bush state. Needs all the votes he can get.
and all of those things will be better with Kerry huh? yep teach the bad GOPers a lesson. meanwhile our country and its constitution goes straight into the can. thanks comrade
Then, with all due respect, what in the heck are you doing on a conservative forum?
We? There isn't anyone on this site who sides with you on any issue after they find out who you really are. You have delusions of adequacy.
I don't like it, but I will vote for Bush in the Presidential section. Constitution Party everywhere else that I can.
I hope that next time I will be able to vote for the candidate that I agree with on most issues, instead of being blackmailed all the time into voting for the lesser of two evils.
I took the time to read Jim's invitation to join with like minded people. And before you as well.
BTW, I meant politically conservative, not personally.
There are so many people here who claim to be "conservative" but are actually morally bankrupt.
I'm personally conservative, but I worship God, not at the altar of government.
"I prefer smaller, less intrusive government. I prefer fiscal responsibility. I prefer a government whose members have actually read the Constitution and abide by it." me too.
When close to half of the country doesn't see it as we do, getting what WE want isn't possible. but keeping this nation at status quo until we can turn this corner and bring these "compassionate conservatives"(big spenders) back in line is of the utmost importance. allowing kerry to win by default is not the answer.
No, agreeing with me isn't the criterion of maturity (Lol! hardly :) but on issues like these that involve transcendent moral realities, I think advocacy of a hedonistic, self-gratifying lifestyle ("gimme my dope man!" or "I like copulating with other people of my own gender") is a mark of terrible spiritual immaturity.
The odds of reigning in the bid spenders is not increased by having the Republicans in power rather than the Democrats. The odds of reducing the size of government is not increased by having the Republicans on power rather than the Democrats. The odds of achieving some sort of fiscal responsibility is not improved by having the Republicans in power rather than the Democrats. Neither party is interested in any of that, so the odds of achieving the kind of government we both want are not improved by electing Bush or worsened by electing Kerry.
Sorry, not convincing.
The Clinton administration's Hillary care project went from January 25, 2003 until September 26, 2004.
The 103rd Congress (1993-1995) that presided during the attempt to pass Hillary care was composed of
Senate: 57 Democrats, 43 Republicans
House: 258 Democrats, 176 Republicans, 1 Independent
And it failed... badly
Afterwards the composition (104th Congress 1995-1997) was
Senate: 52 Republicans, 48 Democrats
House: 230 Republicans, 204 Democrats, 1 Independent
With these results after trying to pass universal health care, I not worried at all
I know you know better, please don't generalize. It's immature IMO.
And to say that libertarians advocate such things as part of their belief system is to bear false witness.
LAST DITCH APPEAL TO BUSHBOTS:
Realize that Bush and Repubs are NOT conservatives!! You will NEVER get a conservative government if you keep voting for the same old liers!
VOTE Libertarian/Constitution for a CONSERVATIVE in '08!
I vote my conscience, not a party.
"A third party vote is a vote for Democrats", "or Republicans".
If more people would vote for who they believe, whether Republican, Democrat, Constitutional, Libertarian, whatever, we wouldn't have a "Two Party System" where people feel that they have to vote for the lesser of two evils.
A third party vote is not throwing away your vote, not voting for the other party, and not voting for the, "lesser of two evils".
If you want to vote for President Bush - fine. If you want to vote for Kerry - fine. If you want to vote for a third party - fine.
VOTE! THAT'S the thing. in the words of the Nike commercial, "Just do it."
Uhm...what is GOTV?
As a staunch Conservative, I have been more than unhappy with President Bush on many levels. However, I am not a fool either. To me, there is but one choice here. John Kerry is the antithesis of everything I believe in and hold sacred.
If this country elects Kerry to the Presidency, I believe we will never be the same as a country or as a people. In my opinion, we barely survived Clinton and we are still feeling the affects of his 8 years of folly and Liberalism.
It is nice to have a idealistic, philosophical view when times are stable, when we aren't at war or when the enemies of this country, both foreign and domestic, aren't at our gates. But, unfortunately, we aren't in those times. This election is critical to this Country's survival.
I am proudly going to the polls tommorrow and vote for President Bush. I consider it my way of thumbing my nose at the Socialists, Liberals, Moveon.org, George Soros, France, Germany,(all the Eurosocialists), UN, Clintons, and the known liar and traitor John Kerry.
I will also pray for the USA and silently remember those who gave me the opportunity to vote once again in a free society. I suggest we all give thanks for our many Blessings of Liberty.
"reigning in the bid spenders" is a conserative view.
"reducing the size of government" is a conserative view.
"fiscal responsibility" is a conserative view.
and you prepose that Kerry will not affect any change in these areas? you're a joke.
with Bush, at least we have an ability to move in the right direction. with kerry and the media, we fight a losing battle to change direction.
vote Bush !! or join the socialist party.
Voting Constitution may make a person feel better, but in the end it is a vote for the very opposite, John Kerry.
"NO IT IS NOT...It is a vote for whoever they vote for...
Further and statistically speaking it represents only a half of a vote for the other side, assuming it is a vote for the other side at all.
If the vote is tied and and a voter defects to the libertarian party...then the tie is broken by only 1 vote.
If the voter indeed 'votes for the other side', then the tie is broken by 2.
200 - 200 --> 200 - 199 = delta 1
200 - 200 --> 201 - 199 = delta 2
Its all semantic nonsense...a vote for a third candidate is not a vote for the otherside...its a vote for a third candidate"
With all due respect, I still contend that, in essence, a vote for Peroutka is a vote for Kerry. This, of course, is based upon the assumptions that (1) a person who votes for the Constitution candidate is to the right of President Bush and that (2) the person would vote at all if the two major party candidates if they could not vote third party. I cannot imagine someone voting for the Constitution candidate would even consider voting for the most liberal member of the U.S. Senate. Of Bush and Kerry, surely Bush is more acceptable than Kerry.
Again, if we had a parliamentarian form of government, a vote for Peroutka could have influence in the government. In the U.S., though, it will be only a protest vote. Is it a vote? Yes. Will it matter? No. Honestly, I wish it did. I could definitely vote for Peroutka, but if there is a pro-life candidate who is electable and one who has absolutely no chance, I will vote for the one who can be elected.
If the Republican Party drifts to where pro-lifers have no voice, then it will be time for all of us to go with a third party. Where life is concerned, I cannot cast a ballot for anyone who declares that he will "protect" a woman's right to an abortion. Those who refuse to protect the most defenseless among us, and certainly unborn children qualify, will receive divine judgment. Until that time comes, though, I will vote Republican.
And we do not have a conservative House, a conservative Senate, or a Conservative in the White House.
and you prepose that Kerry will not affect any change in these areas? you're a joke
The joke is expecting Bush will affect any changes in those areas, either.
with Bush, at least we have an ability to move in the right direction.
Not based on his performance during his first term, or the performance of the Congress since teh GOP took control.
vote Bush !! or join the socialist party.
Thanks, but if you approve of the way things have gone in the past 4 years then I think that you would be happier with the Socialists than I would.