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FREEPERS UNITE - Contact Senate GOP Leaders About Senator Specter
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Posted on 11/04/2004 9:57:49 AM PST by Syco

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To: G.Mason
If you think you and others should start a blitz against him, have at it.

You need to understand that we're not trying to remove him as a Senator - we just want ensure that he is not appointed as the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Especially given his statements about confirming some judges, etc.

81 posted on 11/04/2004 12:06:04 PM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: mrsmith
In brief the filibuster gives any Senator 1/40th of a say over an appointment instead of 1/50th.

I think it just gives the minority party undiserved leverage against the majority.

82 posted on 11/04/2004 12:06:17 PM PST by IrishBrewer
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To: IrishBrewer
The dealing goes on in the cloakrooms, cloture (filibuster) is one card individual Senators play- Senators of the majority or the minority.

Senators were meant to have a lot of individual power, that is reflected in their rules. Requiring cloture on matters that the Constitution doesn't require the Senate to give it's advice and consent on is one historic way of "empowering" individual Senators.

83 posted on 11/04/2004 12:16:46 PM PST by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice.. NOT Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: snooker

I understand what you're saying about building a majority coalition and about past failures to frontally assault Roe v. Wade. But man, you don't seem to get the fact that the rules have changed! We won, they lost. Social conservatives were a ferocious and very visible part of that victory and everybody knows it. Several Democrat Senators from conservative states will HAVE to vote for a reasonable SCOTUS nominee if that nominee is given a straight up or down vote on the Senate floor - especially if that nominee is someone like Miguel Estrada.

The MSM is severely weakened. The DNC is severly weakened. The American people have given a strong endorsement of conservative, traditional values. To put Specter in control of the Judiciary Committee in light of all of that is crazy!


84 posted on 11/04/2004 12:22:38 PM PST by Syco
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To: Spiff
"You need to understand that we're not trying to remove him as a Senator - we just want ensure that he is not appointed as the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Especially given his statements about confirming some judges, etc."

I did not express myself to you well.

I have been following this story all day. It has been posted numerous times.

I had heard that Specters office claims he was mis-quoted in the remarks published and that they were making a transcript of the actual words he said.

I understand the move here is to keep him from a Senate post, not to remove him from Senator.

Perhaps the RINO can be convinced not to go against GWB.

I just don't know how all the furor (at this point in time) can be beneficial, and what do the Senate rules on seinority state?

Can he be refused that Chair?

And if so, what effect on other Senators will that have.

I'm with you, but I don't wish to jump the gun, making us [FR] look foolish.

85 posted on 11/04/2004 12:24:38 PM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: Syco
Let me be blunt -- we won but not all Bush voters agree with us on all issues. We need to deal with that fact on every issue.

It's the MSM that is still dangerous. They are wounded and weakened but not dead yet. We need to recognize that. The MSM is trolling for a win -- my guess they are trying to build a case that the Conservatives want to repeal RvW. This frontal attack on RvW is a proven loser and could serve to get the MSM back in the game. We don't want to do that at any cost. Spector is the bait on the MSM's hook.

My point is this, don't enter the field of battle for the hearts and minds of the country without knowing you can win. If you do you fail.

Now is the time to build the majority coalition, You cannot assume all Bush voters are on your side on every issue. I have secret plan for the majority coalition and if you think about it -- long hard, you will find it is working. What is it? Think.

BTW -- Read my tag line.

86 posted on 11/04/2004 12:34:14 PM PST by snooker (To defeat the MSM and the Democrats, change your tactics, not your goals.)
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To: G.Mason
I had heard that Specters office claims he was mis-quoted in the remarks published and that they were making a transcript of the actual words he said.

How may times do I have to say this? The San Francisco Chronicle interview does not constitute the entirety of everything Specter has said about this or his record on this issue. Maybe the transcript will show that he was slightly misquoted - that does not erase what he has said elsewhere.

And how does it make a conservative internet forum, where posters can post whatever damned fool thing they want, look foolish if they take action based upon statements the Senator has been quoted as saying on several occasions in several different sources? I don't get it. He's been quoted in at least the San Francisco Chronicle from yesterday and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette from last month. One FReeper reports hearing the soundbite on Fox News where he made the statement about obstructing conservative (what he calls extremist) judicial nominees.

We're proving to have some affect because now he's had to go to the tape to try to do some damage control.

And, besides all of this, someone who would vote against impeaching Bill Clinton based upon his interpretation of Scottish law should NEVER hold any position on the Judiciary Committee, let alone as its Chairman. His participation in "borking" the Supreme Court confirmation of Judge Robert Bork is another infraction that is reason to keep him out of the chairman slot.

87 posted on 11/04/2004 12:39:58 PM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Spiff

Aside from Frist's position, the chair of the judiciary committee is the MOST important position in the Senate in this next term. It wasn't so important in Bush's first term because there were not any SC justices to be approved. It is almost a given that at least a couple will come up this term and we don't need a self-professed moderate at the head of the judiciary when that happens. We are in control now so lets not piss it away.


88 posted on 11/04/2004 12:45:17 PM PST by IrishBrewer
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To: snooker
I am tired of the abortion wars.

I think we're all tired of the abortion wars, but there's one kind of tiredness of having to continue to fight a battle we have to fight and there's the tiredness of having to deal with something that one doesn't think is all that important to warrant such an effort.

Many of us belong to the former group, and the thoughts of the latter group are simply not going to carry much weight with us. Frankly, whether the MSM is "playing us like a fiddle" really makes no difference in our making a clear statement of how important this issue is to us, and even an "unnecessary" demonstration of the serious consequences of business as usual on this has its benefits.
89 posted on 11/04/2004 12:51:14 PM PST by wide meadow
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To: Spiff
" How may times do I have to say this?"

And how many times do I have to say ... "If you think you and others should start a blitz against him, have at it."?

90 posted on 11/04/2004 1:12:37 PM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: All

fwiw, here is the transcript that generated the AP story:


> November 3, 2004
> Transcript
>
>
> JORDAN: Senator, you didn't talk about the Judiciary
> Committee, it is something you are expected to Chair this January.
> With 3 Supreme Court Justices rumored to retire soon, starting with
> Rehnquist, how do you see this unfolding in the next couple of months
> and what part do you intend to play on it?
>
> SPECTER: You know my approach is cautious with respect to
> the Judiciary Committee. I am in line, Senator Hatch is barred now by
> term limits and Senate Rules so that I am next in line. There has to
> be a vote of the Committee and I have already started to talk to some
> of my fellow committee members. I am respectful of Senate traditions,
> so I am not designating myself Chairman, I will wait for the Senate
> procedures to act in do course. You are right on the substance, the
> Chief Justice is gravely ill. I had known more about that than had
> appeared in the media. When he said he was going to be back on
> Monday, it was known inside that he was not going to be back on
> Monday. The full extent of his full incapacitation is really not
> known, I believe there will be cause for deliberation by the
> President. The Constitution has a clause called advise and consent,
> the advise part is traditionally not paid a whole lot of attention to,
> I wouldn't quite say ignored, but close to that. My hope that the
> Senate will be more involved in expressing our views. We start off
> with the basic fact that the Democrats are have filibustered and
> expect them to filibuster if the nominees are not within the broad
> range of acceptability. I think there is a very broad range of
> Presidential Discretion but there is a range.
>
> ODOM: Is Mr. Bush, he just won the election, even with
> the popular vote as well. If he wants anti-abortion judges up there,
> you are caught in the middle of it what are you going to do? The
> party is going one way and you are saying this.
>
> SPECTER: When you talk about judges who would change the
> right of a woman to choose, overturn Roe v Wade, I think that is
> unlikely. And I have said that bluntly during the course of the
> campaign and before. When the Inquirer endorsed me, they quoted my
> statement that Roe v Wade was inviolate. And that 1973 decision,
> which has been in effect now for 33 years, was buttressed by the 1992
> decision, written by three Republican justices-O'Conner, Souter, and
> Kennedy-and nobody can doubt Anthony Kennedy's conservativism or
> pro-life position, but that's the fabric of the country. Nobody can be
> confirmed today who didn't agree with Brown v. Board of Education on
> integration, and I believe that while you traditionally do not ask a
> nominee how they're going to decide a specific case, there's a
> doctorate and a fancy label term, stari decisis, precedent which I
> think protects that issue. That is my view, now, before, and always.
>
>
> ODOM: You are saying the President should not bother
> to send somebody up there like that.
>
> SPECTER: Can't hear you
>
> ODOM: You are saying the President should not bother
> or make the move to send somebody up there who is clearly
> anti-abortion.
>
> SPECTER: I don't want to prejudge what the President is
> going to do. But the President is well aware of what happened when a
> number of his nominees were sent up, were filibustered, and the
> President has said he is not going to impose a litmus test, he faced
> that issue squarely in the third debate and I would not expect the
> President, I would expect the President to be mindful of the
> considerations that I mentioned.
>
> JORDAN: However, Senator the President has President has sent
> up, as you know, a number of very very conservative judges socially,
> you have made a point in this campaign of saying that you have
> supported all of those ______ at least I the last two years, how is
> this going to square with what you are saying today about wanting the
> Republican party to be big tent and moderate.
>
> SPECTER: I have been very careful in what I have said and
> what I have done. The nominees whom I supported in Committee, I had
> reservations on. As for judge Pryor, there had been an issue as to
> whether as Attorney General he had raised money, I said in voting him
> out of committee, that he did not have my vote on the floor until I
> satisfied myself about collateral matters. The woman judge out of
> California, who had dismissed a case on invasion of privacy where the
> doctor had permitted an insurance adjuster to watch a mammogram, I had
> a reservation on it, so I wanted to talk to her to see if that was
> aberrational or whether that really reflected her judgment on each and
> every one of those cases. This may be more detail than you want, but
> there was one judge for a district judgeship, Judge Holmes, in
> Arkansas, who was first in his class at the University of Arkansas,
> had a PhD from Duke, had a master's degree, was touted by both
> Democratic Arkansas Senators, was supported by 2 pro-choice women,
> Senator Landrieu and Senator Lincoln, highly regarded in the Arkansas
> editorial pages, and for a district court judgeship I thought. He had
> made two statements, and they were, one was in a religious context
> that a wife should be subservient to a husband, that was in a
> religious context. Then he made a statement doubting the potential
> for impregnation from rape, and made an absurd statement that it would
> be as rare as snow in Florida in July. That was about a 20 year-old
> statement and I brought him in and sat down, had a long talk with him
> and concluded that they were not disqualifiers. He was the only judge
> whom I voted to confirm on the floor vote where any question has been
> raised and I think that was the right decision for a district court
> judgeship, not to make that a disqualifier. There are few if any
> whose record if you go back over 30 or 40 years, and not find some
> dumb thing, I don't want you to take a to close a look at my 40 year
> record.
>
> HIGHSMITH: Talk to us a little bit beyond judgeships, you
> said again today and last night that your goal now is to moderate the
> party, bring it to the center.
>
> SPECTER: Correct
>
> [BREAK-Bringing the Country Together Question]
>
> [BREAK-Stem Cell Question]
>
> MACINTOSH: What are the characteristics that you are
> looking for in any candidate for the high court who might come your
> way in the next year or two?
>
> SPECTER: Well I would like to see a select someone in the
> mold of Holmes, Brandeis, Cardozo, or Marshall. With all due respect
> to the U.S. Supreme Court, we don't have one. And I haven't minced
> any words about that during the confirmation process.
>
> MACINTOSH: Meaning?
>
> SPECTER: Where I have questioned them all very closely.
> I had an argument before the Supreme Court of the United States on
> trying to keep the Navy base, and you should heard what the eight of
> them had to say to me. They were almost as tough as this gang here
> this morning.
>
> ODOM: Senator, the judges you mentioned are obviously
> renown. Are you saying that there are no greatness on there, is that
> what you're driving at?
>
> SPECTER: Yes. Can you take yes for an answer Vernon?
> I'm saying that we don't have anybody of the stature of Oliver Wendell
> Holmes, or Willy Brandeis, or Cardozo, or Marshall. That's what I'm
> saying. I'm saying that we have a court which they're graduates from
> the Court of Appeals from the District of Columbia basically, some
> other Circuit Courts of Appeals. I think that we could use, and I am
> repeating myself again, a Holmes or a Brandeis.
>
> ODOM: Would you resign to take the appointment?
> You're the only person I can think of?
>
> SPECTER: I can think of quite a few other people.
>
> JORDAN: Like who?
>
> SPECTER: I think there's some possibility, just a slight
> possibility, I may not be offered the appointment.
>
> JORDAN: Senator, who do you think would be a good candidate?
>
> SPECTER: For the Supreme Court?
>
> JORDAN: Yes.
>
> SPECTER: I have some ideas but I'm going to withhold my
> comments. If, as, and when the President asks that question, Lara,
> I'll have some specific information for him. In the alternative, if
> you become President, I'll have it for you.
>
> [BREAK-Election 2010 question]
>
> [BREAK-Iraq questions]
>
> Jordan: Do you expect to continue supporting all of
> President Bush's judicial nominees?
>
> AS: I am hopeful that I'll be able to do that. That
> obviously depends upon the President's judicial nominees. I'm hopeful
> that I can support them.
>
> [BREAK-Election question]
>
> [End Press Conference]


91 posted on 11/04/2004 1:17:12 PM PST by ConservativeGadfly (want to join the judicial nominations fight? www.fairjudiciary.com)
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To: snooker

I understand you're tactic I think. Snooker them into thinking you're on their side. I just don't think that such things will ever work. Perhaps I've missed it.

I understand full well that all Bush voters, even all Republicans aren't on our side. I have a lot of friends who are Republicans only for economic issues. For me, that is secondary. You say that the MSM is trolling for a win by trying to build the case that Conservatives want to repeal Roe v. Wade. Gee, d'ya think? How'd they crack our code? Anyone who's drawn breath in the last thirty years knows that.

If they're trying to drive a wedge between the moderates and the conservatives in the party, that won't work either. There's really no alternative party today for thinking people since the extreme left has completely hijacked the DNC.

I just don't think that this is an MSM ploy. I actually believe that Specter said this. God knows he's said similar things in the past. The guy is as RINO as they come.

Again, for me the issue goes WAY beyond abortion. If you put a judge on the bench who is rabidly pro-abortion, he is more likely to also believe in other liberal causes like gay marriage, et al.

If you wait until your coalition is perfect, you will never act. This is the best chance that we've had since the 1920's to truly reclaim all three branches of the government. Giving the Judicial Committee to Specter would really squander that opportunity.


92 posted on 11/04/2004 1:20:16 PM PST by Syco
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To: Syco
The MSM -- they're trying to drive a wedge between the moderates and the conservatives in the party

Ding ding ding we have a winner ...

You are being too modest in your goals. Now is the time to increase our majority, not spend all our capital wastefully. Remember the dems sat atop the levers of power for 50 years to get us where we are today.

Gun control is my litmus test. How a person feels about a citizen owning a gun is how they feel about the US Constitution.

snooker is my name. Winning is the game. :-}

93 posted on 11/04/2004 1:30:05 PM PST by snooker (To defeat the MSM and the Democrats, change your tactics, not your goals.)
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To: snooker

This wedge business is exactly why I don't think that we should be making abortion THE issue. The moderates in the party (as well as independent moderates) may not share our passion about the wrong-headedness about Roe v. Wade, but they most of them agree strongly about Marriage, The Pledge, Free Speech, etc. (Sadly, too many moderates don't give a *&%# about the Second Ammendment, including Mr. Specter.)

If we as a party bring these other issues to the fore, something that I believe the President and his advisors have done very effectively, I believe that we can win over MORE hearts and minds. Nevertheless, it doesn't change the fact that Specter is the wrong man for the job of Chairman of the Judiciary Committee. Make his removal about all of those other issues and downplay the abortion angle if you must, but don't let him rise to the role of chairman!


94 posted on 11/04/2004 1:44:23 PM PST by Syco
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To: G.Mason
Why not wait until you read the transcript of what Spector said?"""

I did. It says Bush shouldn't put forward nominees who outside a "range" of acceptability to Democrats.

96 posted on 11/04/2004 1:57:33 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

If you write a snail mail letter it has more impact than email...We The People deserve better than the Majority party has given us in letting the Dem's manipulate up or down votes and that filibuster nonsense...demand action..


98 posted on 11/04/2004 2:00:08 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Thanks America)
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To: Sebashtain

I am calling in as well!!


99 posted on 11/04/2004 2:10:08 PM PST by international american (Tagline)
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To: international american

MINE


100 posted on 11/04/2004 2:18:21 PM PST by international american (Tagline)
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