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The fallacy that New York State is a Blue state.

Posted on 11/04/2004 7:39:21 PM PST by mlstier

Looking at the 2004 Presidential election county-by-county map, I noticed that most of New York State is red.

I decided to crunch the number, and realized that:

1) Kerry won New York State 59/41
2) Kerry won New York City 75/25
3) Kerry won New York State (sans the NYC metropolatin area) by only 50.5/49.5. (Just the flip of the national split.)

As the complete county-by-county map proves. Liberalism, as enspoused by the Democrats, only thrives in metropolatin cites like Boston/NYC/Philly/DC/LA/SF.

New York City Metro area: Manhattan, Bronx, Queens, Brooklyn, Staten Island, Westchester, Nassau


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: nyc
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1 posted on 11/04/2004 7:39:21 PM PST by mlstier
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To: mlstier

Staten Island voted RED


2 posted on 11/04/2004 7:40:58 PM PST by WilDave
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To: mlstier

Exactly. The same is true in California.

It is all about the handouts in the urban areas. Cut those off forever and the democrat hacks would lose most, if not all, of their voting base.


3 posted on 11/04/2004 7:41:06 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: mlstier

Tax the red. Redistribute to the blue.


4 posted on 11/04/2004 7:41:16 PM PST by watchinginawe ("I AM THAT I AM."...God)
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To: mlstier

The Buffalo, Rochester, and Albany areas also voted Kerry.


5 posted on 11/04/2004 7:41:50 PM PST by jude24 (sola gratia)
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To: WilDave

I added it because it is one of the five boroughs on NYC.


6 posted on 11/04/2004 7:42:02 PM PST by mlstier ("Choice before Conception. In the Dictionary. In Life.")
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To: watchinginawe

Unfortunatly my county is blue......includes Buffalo of course.


7 posted on 11/04/2004 7:42:31 PM PST by AirForceMom
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To: mlstier

Why do people skirt around the obvious????


8 posted on 11/04/2004 7:43:22 PM PST by cynicom (<p)
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To: jude24
And the Watertown area also.

I was just pointing out that how badly the NYC metro area was swinging the entire state.

9 posted on 11/04/2004 7:43:26 PM PST by mlstier ("Choice before Conception. In the Dictionary. In Life.")
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Very interesting. Thanks for doing the numbers.

What amazes me, is that after 9-11 happened right in NYC, those same people wanted Kerry by such huge margin.

Just unbelievable!


10 posted on 11/04/2004 7:43:54 PM PST by FairOpinion (Thank You Swifties and Vets for Fighting for your Country and Defeating the Enemy Again.)
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A good start to reclaiming may be to defund Urban Mass Transit. Think of what this subsidizes. Let 'em pay for it themselves.

This is a reversal for me.

11 posted on 11/04/2004 7:44:28 PM PST by drc43 (John Kerry - Best when gone)
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What's even more amazing. Manhatten went Kerry 85/15.


12 posted on 11/04/2004 7:45:24 PM PST by mlstier ("Choice before Conception. In the Dictionary. In Life.")
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To: mlstier
Here you go
13 posted on 11/04/2004 7:46:04 PM PST by edwin hubble
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My state is split about 50-50 population upstate-downstate.When you add in Albany it is nearly impossible to overcome the dem advantage.The urban areas are the breeding ground for government dependence.It has passed through so many generations now since Roosevelt that there is no stigma about being on public assistence,it is the normal way of life.The dems can only achieve their master plan when the masses can be easily herded towards dependent poverty and carried to the voting booth.


14 posted on 11/04/2004 7:48:00 PM PST by carlr
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To: mlstier

You are right on target. Urbanization breeds dependance on government for infrastructure. Therefore, socialist like Kerry gain from the fear of being left without a government umbrella.


15 posted on 11/04/2004 7:48:26 PM PST by SolidRedState (Free Martha)
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Well all I know is I got what I wanted. Bush won, so we're less likely to be hit by terrorists. If we are hit, I live in one of the states bin laden promised not to hit, because kerry took our state. My county went to Bush, so the people I come in contact with are rational Americans. It doesn't get much better than that. LOL


16 posted on 11/04/2004 7:50:20 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: mlstier

ya think?


17 posted on 11/04/2004 7:50:27 PM PST by jungleboy
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To: BenLurkin

As you say, if you look at a map of California and how we voted in the Presidential race on Tuesday, you will see that almost all of California is Red and only a small strip down the coast encompassing LA and San Francisco were Blue. Northern California is predominately Republican.


18 posted on 11/04/2004 7:50:29 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: edwin hubble

Take away Cook County (Chicago and the inner 'burbs) and it's the same thing. Pockets of blue here and there (mainly Metro East, the Illinois side of the St. Louis sprawl), but Illinois is pretty darn red. Kerry left Cook County with an 800,000 vote lead, the rest of the state could only cut that in half.


19 posted on 11/04/2004 7:51:18 PM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: mlstier

If you go by area then NY is definitely a red state. Most of NY north and of Westchester is solidly Republican. Westchester and Long Island will switch around. The problem is NYC.

In order to take NY you have to take NYC. A good portion of NYC is of the "What can i get out of government" mindset and the "I'm a victim" mentality that has been sown by race baiters like Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Rangel etc...who's race baiting makes *everyone* think they are a victim of *something* whether they are or not.

When people think the government should be doing stuff for them, they will vote Dem. IMO, In order to get around that someone needs to have already done something for them before the polls open.

Rudy Giuliani has done that. He basically cut crime down from the "Escape from New York" levels of the Dinkins administration to the point where Times Square now looks more like Disneyworld than anything else.

Rudy / Kerik and the men and women of the NYPD did an amazing job with their broken windows theories of policework, and the people of NYC know it.

Of course, he also was *THE MAN* after 9/11. This needs no further explanation.

Rudy can carry NYC. I can't see how anyone else on the Republican side of the ball could pull it off.


20 posted on 11/04/2004 7:51:55 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (Vote or P. Diddy will kill you !)
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