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2008 George, George Allen!

Posted on 11/05/2004 11:25:12 AM PST by maineman

George Allen on Abortion # Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004) # Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003) # Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Budget & Economy Authored Balanced Budget Amendment plus lower taxes. (Apr 2000)

George Allen on Civil Rights # Support VA beliefs & pass flag-burning ban amendment. (Apr 2000) # Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002) # Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001) # Supports anti-flag desecration amendment. (Mar 2001) # Rated 20% by the ACLU, indicating an anti-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)

George Allen on Corporations # Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001) # Rated 100% by the US COC, indicating a pro-business voting record. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Crime # Abolished parole; instituted Three Strikes laws. (Sep 2000) # Try juvenile felons as adults. (Sep 2000)

George Allen on Drugs Tougher sentencing for drug crimes. (Sep 2000)

George Allen on Education # Testing has brought accountability. (Sep 2000) # Voted NO on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors. (May 2001) # Voted NO on funding student testing instead of private tutors. (May 2001) # Voted NO on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction. (Apr 2001) # Rated 27% by the NEA, indicating anti-public education votes. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Energy & Oil # Roll back federal gas tax to lower gas price. (Apr 2000) # Voted YES on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003) # Voted NO on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003) # Voted NO on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (Mar 2003) # Voted YES on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002) # Voted YES on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002)

George Allen on Environment # Voted YES on confirming Gale Norton as Secretary of Interior. (Jan 2001) # Rated 0% by the LCV, indicating anti-environment votes. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Families & Children Rated 100% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Foreign Policy Voted YES on enlarging NATO to include Eastern Europe. (May 2002)

George Allen on Free Trade # Voted YES on establishing a free trade agreement between US & Singapore. (Jul 2003) # Voted YES on establishing a free trade agreement between the US and Chile. (Jul 2003) # Voted YES on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002) # Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001) # Voted YES on removing common goods from national security export rules. (Sep 2001) # Rated 67% by CATO, indicating a pro-free trade voting record. (Dec 2002)

George Allen on Government Reform # oted NO on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads. (Mar 2002) # Voted YES on require photo ID (not just signature) for voter registration. (Feb 2002) # Voted NO on banning campaign donations from unions and corporations. (Apr 2001)

George Allen on Gun Control Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)

George Allen on Health Care # Voted YES on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Jun 2003) # Voted YES on allowing importation of Rx drugs from Canada. (Jul 2002) # Voted NO on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001) # Voted YES on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Apr 2001) # Rated 0% by APHA, indicating a anti-public health voting record. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Homeland Security # Build SDI; pay soldiers more. (Sep 2000) # Small business in developing homeland security technologies. (Jul 2002) # Rated 0% by SANE, indicating a pro-military voting record. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Jobs # Voted YES on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001) # Rated 0% by the AFL-CIO, indicating an anti-labor voting record. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Principles & Values Calls himself “Common sense” conservative populist. (Apr 2000)

George Allen on Tax Reform # End death tax & marriage penalty; more deductions. (Apr 2000) # Voted YES on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years. (May 2003) # Voted YES on cutting taxes by $1.35 trillion over 11 years. (May 2001) # Voted NO on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates. (May 2001) # Voted NO on increasing tax deductions for college tuition. (May 2001) # Rated 76% by NTU, indicating a "Taxpayer's Friend" on tax votes. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Technology # Voted NO on disallowing FCC approval of larger media conglomerates. (Sep 2003) # Fund nanotechnology research & development. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on War & Peace # Voted YES on $86.5 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Oct 2003) # Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002) # Condemns anti-Muslim bigotry in name of anti-terrorism. (Oct 2001)

George Allen on Welfare & Poverty * Minor mothers must live at home & identify fathers. (Sep 2000) * Tax credits to promite home ownership in distressed areas. (Apr 2003)


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KEYWORDS: 2008; allen2008; georgeallen; georgeallen2008
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To: ZULU

Read the thread and you will learn that he is NOT anti-gun...........just anti-Hillary gun control.


151 posted on 05/29/2005 7:56:55 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: BCR #226

Good.

If this jerk supports allowing those idiotic suits against gun manufactufactureres, he CAN'T be "conservative' and will never get my vote.


152 posted on 05/29/2005 7:57:09 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Gabz

Then why does he support allowing these idiotic suits agains gun manufactureres?

Ther is only ONE kind of gun control - hitting the target your aiming at.


153 posted on 05/29/2005 8:00:42 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

If you do not understand voting for or against something in order to keep something else from occurring, I am not going to be able to explain it to you.

As I said - read through the thread.


154 posted on 05/29/2005 8:06:00 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: ZULU
George Allen voted no on banning lawsuits because the socialist senator from Kalifornia, Dianne Feinstein poisoned the bill and attached a renewal of the so called "assault weapons" ban.

So what do you want, another 10 year, or worse, a permanent ban on Homeland Defense Weapons?

If he had voted for it would you have been pissed because then he would've voted for an extension of the ban? He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't isn't he? SHEESH!. Wake up dammit!

155 posted on 05/29/2005 8:16:18 PM PDT by P8riot (Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.)
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To: John Robertson

I regard the Second Amendment as a "litmus test" on a polotician's perspective of the Bills of Rights and Original Intent.

If a politician is willing to compromise on it, he will compromise on other rights.

I don't consider that a radical stand.

Not do I know of any gun rights activits who support what you are stating.

The "Assault Rifle Ban", lawsuits against gun manufactureres, "smar-gun" laws, >50 caliber weapon bans, etc. are unacceptable infringements of the Second Amendment. Thye are incremnetal attacks on a baisc humna right - i.e. the right to keep and bear and arms and defend oneself. The Constitution doesn't "grant" this right - Gid does. The Constitution meerely recognizes that right.

I'm still not clear on Allen and gun rights.


156 posted on 05/29/2005 8:18:56 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: BCR #226; ZULU

All you folks that think Allen is anti-gun should just read the thread. He's not. SHEESH!


157 posted on 05/29/2005 8:20:22 PM PDT by P8riot (Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.)
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To: P8riot

If what you are stating is true, it looks like allen acted correctly.

But what about the assertions of another poster that he flipflopped on the AWB issue?


158 posted on 05/29/2005 8:20:35 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: maineman

Who?


159 posted on 05/29/2005 8:21:14 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: P8riot

Thanks


160 posted on 05/29/2005 8:21:20 PM PDT by Vision (When Hillary Says She's Going To Put The Military On Our Borders...She Becomes Our Next President)
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George Allen in the news on RKBA and his role in the DC Personal Protection Bill
161 posted on 05/29/2005 8:23:33 PM PDT by Ligeia (It's time to sign up and help Jerry Kilgore!)
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To: ZULU

He said that if it could be proven that the AWB resulted in a reduction in crime that he would vote for the renewal in it's present (at that time) form. It didn't and he didn't because he knew it wouldn't.


162 posted on 05/29/2005 8:23:46 PM PDT by P8riot (Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.)
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To: MilspecRob

Well he ain't Ahnold Floppinegger.


163 posted on 05/29/2005 8:25:44 PM PDT by P8riot (Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.)
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To: Vision

You're welcome.


164 posted on 05/29/2005 8:26:19 PM PDT by P8riot (Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.)
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To: ZULU

I respect your stand on this issue, but I think we're going to be okay with this guy. Read the posts and links posted on this thread below your response to me. Thank you.


165 posted on 05/29/2005 8:30:39 PM PDT by John Robertson (I love you, man! But not in the homo way.)
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To: nightowl

Actually George Allen is a one term governor. Governors are limited to a single term by Virginia law. Well actually they can have more than one but they cannot be consecutive.


166 posted on 05/29/2005 8:32:05 PM PDT by P8riot (Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.)
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To: John Robertson

O.K.

You sold me.

Now how do we give this guy more name recogniyion?

He;s not well known.


167 posted on 05/30/2005 1:57:52 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: chickenlips
I would hope he supported moving Tech to the ACC.

He did.

168 posted on 05/30/2005 6:16:16 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (http://www.cafepress.com/wardsmythe / FREE Mudboy Slim!)
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To: ZULU

Zulu, He is NOT anti-gun. Look at the Bill. BS was added to the Bill, well you know how it works.


169 posted on 05/30/2005 8:17:20 AM PDT by maineman
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To: ZULU

He will be well known.

He has the gift of connecting with most people, right through the tv set.


170 posted on 05/30/2005 8:33:54 AM PDT by John Robertson (I love you, man! But not in the homo way.)
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To: maineman

Here is how I see it - McCain will run as the Third Party option. Hitlary will get the Dem. nomination and George Allen will get the Republican nomination.

Here is what I don't see - Will McCain pull votes from Hitlary or Allen?


171 posted on 05/30/2005 3:06:42 PM PDT by maineman
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To: maineman

Hitlery.


172 posted on 05/30/2005 5:48:31 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

You think Dems . will vote for either Hitlary or McCain?


173 posted on 05/30/2005 6:38:23 PM PDT by maineman
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To: maineman

If Santorum or Nickles don't run, I'm in . . .


174 posted on 05/30/2005 6:40:22 PM PDT by 2nd Amendment
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To: ZULU
Actually Allen voted right, and the issues page is a little misleading.

There were two poison pills added to that bill. The first was the ugly gun ban. The second was the gun show ban. The democrats and jerks like Lugar, McCain, Chafee, etc all screwed us over and wrecked the bill. Allen voted against all the bad amendments. I watched Allens vote particulary since we didn't know what to expect from him since it was in his first term.

The final bill sucked, and Allen did the right thing by killing it.

175 posted on 05/30/2005 6:48:32 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (June 14 - Defeat DeWine - Vote Tom Brinkman for Congress (OH-2) - http://www.gobrinkman.com)
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To: maineman

Some Dems will vote for McCain - the darling of the media.

Probably the leftist central Dems and conservative Dems.


176 posted on 05/30/2005 7:07:28 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: P8riot

He's anti gun... He told me to my face at the Sterlingfest event before his election to the Senate that he supported the renewal of the AW ban. He also told me that he supported one gun a month. This isn't something I heard from someone who knows someone... this is strait from the horses mouth.

Sorry, that is an anti gunner in my eyes. If he wants my support, he damned well can earn it by sponsoring some hardcore pro-gun legislation and pushing to get it passed. Until then, I won't back him.

Mike


177 posted on 05/31/2005 8:04:01 AM PDT by BCR #226
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To: BCR #226

I'm hearing more & more...Go ALLEN!


178 posted on 07/10/2005 9:00:37 PM PDT by maineman
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To: maineman

Looking better everyday!


179 posted on 08/03/2005 7:46:17 PM PDT by maineman
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To: maineman

Cheney/Gingrich ticket.


180 posted on 08/03/2005 7:47:25 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: GianniV

well if Hillary is the nominee and we send Allen then there WILL be a Senator elected one way or the other


181 posted on 08/03/2005 7:48:07 PM PDT by DM1
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To: fooman

"Did he serve as gov of VA too? (executive experience) "
yes indeedy he did


182 posted on 08/03/2005 7:48:37 PM PDT by DM1
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To: DM1

He was great Gov.

Allen vs. Hitlery 2008

Allen in a LANDSLIDE!


183 posted on 08/06/2005 10:36:03 AM PDT by maineman
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To: maineman

http://www.georgeallen.com/allen/index.asp


184 posted on 08/06/2005 10:37:17 AM PDT by maineman
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To: AuH2ORepublican
I'm very surprised by your post. I had the impression that Santorum was facing a much tougher battle with Casey, Jr., than Allen would face with Warner. It will be interesting to see how those races play out. I'd hate to lose either seat, and I do think Allen is, at this point, the best choice for Republicans in 2008.

For what it's worth, Mark Warner has always seemed to have a replicant kind of quality to me. I think he looks like David Duke in a plastic surgery kind of way. I don't know how he will play to a national audience. I don't see any warmth there (but I never understood what people saw in Bill Clinton, either, so what do I know). I'm probably too influenced by my opinions to give a worthy assessment on charisma issues. Allen's down home optimism is, I think, somewhat reminiscent of Ronald Reagan, plus I think his experience in the Senate as point man on Republican races is a big plus.

185 posted on 08/06/2005 11:08:42 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: BillyBoy
Since neither logic nor reason seem to appeal to the Allen devotees....

I think that is unnecessarily harsh. I just don't see the Governor vs. Senator issue as the huge controlling factor that so many cite. The fact that Warren G. Harding was the last Republican Senator elected President is interesting, but it doesn't convince me of the futility of Allen's running. Given the scope of international issues today, I think a Governor's lack of foreign policy experience might give some voters pause as well.

There also is the fact that Senators generally have higher recognition outside their home states than do Governors in today's media climate (that can cut either way). I think there is a lot of risk in putting too much stock in the "Senators don't win, we need a Governor" theory. It seems to me that every thread I read about Allen running, about the third or fourth post is "he won't win because he's a Senator, we need to run a Governor." Then about ten posts later comes the "he was governor of Virginia" part. I think to the extent that Governors have sometimes fared better than Senators, you have to look at the underlying reasons and try to apply them to current situations.

As an interesting trivia sidebar to your Harding comment... his was the first presidential election in which women voted. Some historians believe the race was affected by his personal good looks and his wife influencing women voters. So maybe the comparison to 2008 is the fight for women voters? It amazes me how some women will vote for Hillary because she is a woman and she "cares" so much. Ugh.

186 posted on 08/06/2005 11:27:00 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: GraceCoolidge

Man what a trophy wife!


187 posted on 08/06/2005 11:34:24 AM PDT by Boogieman69
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To: GraceCoolidge
>> I think that is unnecessarily harsh. I just don't see the Governor vs. Senator issue as the huge controlling factor that so many cite. <<

It's not just that he's a Senator, he's a Senator from a rock-solid GOP, Inc. state on the east coast and yet polls show he might even carry his home state if he went up against the RAT governor of Virigina. George Allen is doing a fine job for Virigina but he's not presidential material. We ridicule the Dems for running D.C. insiders from reliable blue states who don't even poll high in their own state, yet a bunch of people on this board want to try the SAME stragedy on OUR side and their ONLY argument on how we'll "win" swing states like New Mexico, Iowa, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, etc., is that we MUST ASSUME the Dem nominee will be "Hillary". That is not an argument based on facts or reason. Certainly George Allen could win in THEORY but given how close we came to "President Gore" I don't want to risk that theory on the premise we will waltz into the white house against "Hillary".

>> It seems to me that every thread I read about Allen running, about the third or fourth post is "he won't win because he's a Senator, we need to run a Governor." Then about ten posts later comes the "he was governor of Virginia" part. <<

Yeah, they keep repeating that line over and over, as if Lurch faired any better in 2004 by citing the fact he used to be Dukakis right hand guy in Mass. before he was Senator.

>> I think to the extent that Governors have sometimes fared better than Senators, you have to look at the underlying reasons and try to apply them to current situations. <<

The current situtation is that we have held the White House for two terms not because President Bush is a particularly brillant campaigner like the Gipper, but because the Dems managed to come up with horrific losers named Gore and Kerry. Compare that to how the GOP did in 1980-1988 with a California Governor that was raised in Illinois and a longtime Washington official who lived in Texas and was raised in New England; followed by a Vice-President from Texas with a running mate who was Senator from the heartland state of Indiana.

I'm not ruling out that we could run a Senator and win some swing states, I'm saying the Senator who would accomplish that ain't George Allen. Allen would be far better at rallying the party's base if he was a V.P. candidate paired with someone like Governor Pawlenty. And I'm getting really tired of Virgina freepers gloating about how great their state is and everytime some RATs win in Virigina to disprove that theory, it's all the fault of "yankee transplants" in Northern VA.

188 posted on 08/07/2005 9:23:31 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the Chicago Democrat Machine's "Best Friend" in the GOP : www.nolahood.com)
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To: BillyBoy
[P]olls show [Allen] might even carry his home state if he went up against the RAT governor of Virigina...

I assume you meant to say he might not carry Virginia? I just don't put much stock in polls, especially at this point in the process. I think if we've learned anything in recent years, it is that polls must be taken with a shaker, not a grain, of salt. I still don't understand your assumption that Senator Allen can't win swing states, if that is what you are saying. I do think his experience in the U.S. Senate, to the extent it has led to him increasing his familiarity with other state issues and networks, will help him in that arena.

I guess I just don't see the impact of the regional issues the way some do. I think the Senator/Governor issue, as well as the regional issues, are instructive but not controlling. I agree with you as to the danger of assuming an easy win over Hillary Clinton. In that regard, I am always reminded of George Allen's victory in the gubernatorial race over Mary Sue Terry, the Democratic candidate who was, if I remember right, the incumbent Lt. Governor. I seem to recall she had something like a forty point lead at one point. I do think George Allen's victory in that race bodes well for him as a campaigner, particularly when paired with his experience in the U.S. Senate.

... as if Lurch faired (sic) any better in 2004 by citing the fact he used to be Dukakis right hand guy in Mass. before he was Senator.

I don't recall Kerry ever citing that fact; indeed, I thought he kept his past association with Dukakis pretty well hidden! I don't think you can compare the position of Lt. Governor with Governor anyway. And even if you could, doesn't your comment underscore that guberatorial level experience isn't necessarily helpful? If I read your post correctly, it seems to me that you do not necessarily think having been Governor is helpful, but you think having been a U.S. Senator is detrimental. It seems to me that you are arguing that a Senator is automatically disadvantaged, and I just can't agree with that premise.

Compare that to how the GOP did in 1980-1988 with a California Governor that was raised in Illinois and a longtime Washington official who lived in Texas and was raised in New England; followed by a Vice-President from Texas with a running mate who was Senator from the heartland state of Indiana.

I guess this is the heart of our disagreement. I just don't see President Reagan's having been from California and Illinois as a controlling factor; nor do I think President G.H.W. Bush's background from Texas and New England was a major issue, either. The state handicapping thing always seems to me to be of limited value, particularly given the nature of media coverage today vs. even twenty years ago. One could argue, for instance, that one of the things that helped President Reagan was that his acting career had helped him to have national recognition even before he held national office. I think most people would not even have remembered that Pres. Bush 41 came from Texas; his New England upbringing seemed much more noticeable to the average viewer, I'd say.

And I'm getting really tired of Virgina freepers gloating about how great their state is and everytime some RATs win in Virigina to disprove that theory, it's all the fault of "yankee transplants" in Northern VA.

Now, now, no need to get catty! By and large, Virginia is, I think, pretty fortunate. Don't forget, however, that Virginia voters are stuck with John Warner as well as Mark Warner, so they too have their cross to bear! It also might be worth noting that Virginia does have a fairly broad cross section of voters: everything from liberal northern Virginia to the Kentucky border areas. Certainly most states have those types of variables nowadays, but I think Virginia may have them even slightly more so: everything from D.C. commuters to coal miners, military installations to academia. So having campaigned statewide in Virginia might be useful on a national level.

189 posted on 08/07/2005 11:35:32 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: Andy'smom

And how does that change the fact he is a Senator now?


190 posted on 08/07/2005 11:53:59 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Paleo Conservative
Get your facts straight. George Allen was Governor of Virginia before he became US Senator from Virginia. That makes him an ex-governor just as Ronald Reagan was an ex-governor when he ran for President in both 1976 and 1980.

He got no facts incorrect. You are just adding details which doesn't, in any way, change the facts that were cited - Allen is a Senator, and Senators have a very poor track record of winning presidential electors.

191 posted on 08/07/2005 11:56:32 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: maineman
Rated 0% by the LCV, indicating anti-environment votes. (Dec 2003)

I would call that an "anti-tree-hugger vote," not "anti-environment." Supporting the environment does not mean capitulating to every whim of the tree-huggers...

192 posted on 08/07/2005 11:58:30 AM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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well, I meant to say "elections", not "electors", but I guess that's still correct...


193 posted on 08/07/2005 11:58:50 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: GraceCoolidge

"I'm very surprised by your post. I had the impression that Santorum was facing a much tougher battle with Casey, Jr., than Allen would face with Warner."



Well, my post was from November 5, 2004, when it appeared to be a near certainty that socially liberal Democrat (and former RINO) Barbara Hafer would be the Democrat Senate nominee in 2006. Boy, talk about a few months being a lifetime in politics!

BTW, I still think that Santorum will win, although probably with no more than 52%. Allen could still be vulnerable to a Warner challenge, but (i) Warner probably won't challenge him, and (ii) Allen would still be the favorite in a Senate matchup against Warner. And if Warner doesn't run, Allen will win it going away.


194 posted on 08/08/2005 7:50:56 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: maineman

I'll have lunch with him tomorrow. (A "few" others will be there too.)

Any questions you want answered?


195 posted on 08/08/2005 7:54:58 AM PDT by aculeus (Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
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To: aculeus

Lucky You!!! Tell him I admire his values, and his Father was a great man.
I will campaign my rear off for him..."RUN GEORGE, RUN"

Enjoy the lunch my friend!


196 posted on 08/08/2005 9:42:45 PM PDT by maineman
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To: Corin Stormhands

It sounds like George Allen in the clear conservative choice. What do we have to do in order to overcome the clear name recognition problem? Time to get to work.


197 posted on 10/18/2005 7:14:12 PM PDT by herbieflynn
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To: herbieflynn
herbieflynn

Since Oct 19, 2005

Well, go back in time like you did when you signed up here tomorrow (it's only 10-18 in the USA)... Go back in time and make George Allen famous five years ago so people will recognize him. If you can't do that, he doesn't have a chance of winning the presidency in '08.

198 posted on 10/18/2005 7:22:19 PM PDT by gg188
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To: maineman

I think we will need a 'superstar' to win in 2008.


199 posted on 10/18/2005 7:22:49 PM PDT by HitmanLV (Hey, I'm a better writer than the next Supreme Court Justice! Guess what? YOU ARE TOO!!!)
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To: HitmanNY

Did you hear Rush with Hannity last night? He mentioned George Allen.

We have our 'SUPERSTAR'.....GEORGE ALLEN!


200 posted on 10/19/2005 11:58:05 AM PDT by maineman
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