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Priority 1: Remove Specter from the Judiciary (Day 7)
11-9-04 | Alway Right

Posted on 11/09/2004 12:45:10 AM PST by Always Right

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To: Always Right
My listening to FOX gave me cause for hope. Specter is scared but arrogant, just like the Dems. FOX indicated SESSIONS was once Borked by SPECTER for a Federal Judgeship. Perhaps we can focus on Sessions leading the Comm. fight against Specter.

The Rev. Falwell was also on, saying I think we can rely on Specter's word. Sorry, Rev. I don't think so. You are a good man,but we can all err. To show us this, Christ selected Judas.

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21 posted on 11/09/2004 5:17:18 AM PST by Henchman (Now let Kerry benefit the country. What is his PLAN?)
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To: Always Right
Anyone see the wench from Time magazine, Viveca Something, on one of the news nets yesterday (CNN, I think). She was saying something along the lines of how all this with Specter would "hopefully" blow over soon.

Hopefully?

The anchor didn't ask her why the reporter said "hopefully". Go figure.

22 posted on 11/09/2004 5:20:04 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: seamole
I like your analysis.

How do we communicate to the GOP that we can fight later too? (Any email address / phone for the GOP, RNC?) As Specter was paid off for a "war" vote, he shouldn't be a Republican! Therefor, since we do not know who is who in the GOP line up, we can BORK the GOP in 2006 and 2008. We don't have to vote for Dems, but we do not have to support the GOP candidates either.

As with Michael Savage, I am switching from the GOP to an INDEPENDANT! If enough do it, we can send a message. As far as primary votes, we can switch back IF there are any identifiable GOP candidates.

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23 posted on 11/09/2004 5:30:42 AM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email you friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now1)
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To: OXENinFLA

I've actually thought Hewitt had some really good things to say. It's as if he misses one or two of the anti-MacSpectre points, and the anti's miss some of Hugh's.

I'd really like to hear Hugh and the most ardent anti-Mac person go at it together. It probably will happen sometime this week on his show, as he'll have K. Lopez or someone on and talk with him/her.

At this point, I'm about equal parts despising Mac politically, and thinking the cost of tossing him under the bus would outweigh the benefit of it.

Dan


24 posted on 11/09/2004 5:37:16 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr; All
Through all this back and forth I have YET to hear ANYONE lay out EXACTLY what they think we will lose if we throw sphincter under the bus and put a conservative in charge of the committee.

Instead of just saying the "republican party will be damaged by this..." Tell us EXACTLY how you think it will be damaged.

The truth is, no one can get very specific because its all B.S. The benefits of getting rid of a liberal FAR outweigh any negatives.


DUMP THE SPHINCTER!
25 posted on 11/09/2004 5:48:58 AM PST by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: myself6
Pretty reactionary response. Honest question: have you read Hugh on this, or listened to him? He's listed out pretty specifically exactly what you say "nobody" is saying.

Dan

26 posted on 11/09/2004 5:50:47 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr

Hugh is saying rationally that the northeastern republicans are in liberal states, and to throw Spector out, would have repercussions that could end up defeating Santorum.


27 posted on 11/09/2004 5:56:28 AM PST by tkathy (There will be no world peace until all thuggocracies are gone from the earth.)
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To: BibChr
"reactionary"? Other than being a socialist "buzz word" for anyone not socialist I'm not sure what you mean.

Please go ahead and define the boogymen that we have to fear from not putting a liberal in charge of the judicial committee. Then we can debate them.
28 posted on 11/09/2004 5:57:21 AM PST by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: myself6

I asked you a pretty simple question. You first, please.

Dan


29 posted on 11/09/2004 5:58:50 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Always Right

Next time put an "R" or "D" next to the judicial commitee members


30 posted on 11/09/2004 6:01:48 AM PST by antaresequity
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To: tkathy
besides just making a statement (which anyone can do... "Look! that pig is flying by my window!") Tell us EXACTLY WHY you think santorum would be defeated. Please also explain why you think he wouldn't be defeated otherwise.
31 posted on 11/09/2004 6:03:21 AM PST by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: Always Right
OOPS & A REPOST to E-mail ALL friends and relatives.

Ooops...Perhaps it was the Rev Robertson, 700 Clubber that is now "trusting" Specter. well you can see I am "Bell Book and Candle", and not a religious "extremest".

REPOST of a possible Email that needs to be sent ASAP to ALL NON-FREEPERS!

Dear ,

Please read. If you agree, copy and paste, or write your own email. Just click on the list below and send them a copy. Please pass this on to people you think might help I know you are a person of honor, tradition, and religious values. Therefore, I am submitting this email for your consideration.

Please email the Senators, White House and Sen. Specter based on the links I provided. As a further assist in this matter, I have included a copy of the email I sent.

As you are aware, Sen. Arlen Specter is slated to be appointed as Chair of the US Senate Judicial Committee. Recently, he told the President, publicly, not to present any conservatives to be appointed to the Federal Bench! He is challenging the President and the will of the people.

This is the man who prevented Robert Bork, a strict Constitutional interpreter, from becoming a Judge. Specter has expressed opinions that the Constitution is a living document. That is incorrect. Only an Amendment can change the Constitution, not activist Judges! If certain people wish to make abortion legal, they need to amend the Constitution, not appoint activist judges.

I am sure that you have heard a lot about the "fight" going on to stop Specter from Chairing the Judicial Comm. URGENT: The vote is Nov 15th or 17th, 2004. The list of email addresses for the GOP members of the Committee, who are all conservative, follow, as does the email address of the White House. The address for Sen. Bill Frisk, the Majority leader should also be used to request him to stop this abomination. I have also included an email address for Sen. Arlen Specter, so you may ask him to not Chair the Committee.

EMAIL ADDRESSES - Just click and copy & paste therein the email message that follows.

President@whitehouse.gov

SENATE MAJORITY LEADER Frist, Bill - (R - TN) Class I 461 DIRKSEN SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-3344 Web Form: frist.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=AboutSenatorFrist.ContactForm

JUDICIAL COMMITTEE: Sen. Orrin Hatch, UT, current Committee Chair PH: 202-224-5251 FX: 202-224-6331 104 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 Web Form: hatch.senate.gov/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Offices.Contact

Sen. Jon Kyl, AZ PH: 202-224-4521 FX: 202-224-2207 kyl.senate.gov/contact.cfm

Sen. John Cornyn, TX PH: 202-224-2934 FX: 202-228-2856 cornyn.senate.gov/contact/index.html

Sen. Charles Grassley, IA PH: 202-224-3744 FX: 319-363-7179 grassley.senate.gov/webform.htm

Sen. Mike DeWine, OH PH: 202-224-2315 FX: 202-224-6519 www.dewine.senate.gov

Sen. Jeff Sessions, AL PH: 202-224-4124 FX: 202-224-3149 sessions.senate.gov/contact.htm#form

Sen. Lindsey Graham, SC PH: 202-224-5972 FX: 202-224-3808 grassley.senate.gov/webform.htm

Sen. Larry Craig, ID PH: 202-224-2752 FX: 202-228-1067 craig.senate.gov/webform.html

Sen. Saxby Chambliss, GA PH: 202-224-3521 FX: 202-224-0103 chambliss.senate.gov/Contact/default.cfm?pagemode=1

Or email the Pro Abortion Devil Himself: "Payback for BORK". arlen_specter@specter.senate.gov

The last email I sent "bounced". Specter does not want to hear the will of the people. His mind is closed and so are his ears.

Lookup your Senator at www.senate.gov

SAMPLE EMAIL

Dear Senator: Thank you for serving. I apologize for this request. I am sure you have many more requests with which to deal.

Please do not permit Sen. Specter to Chair the Judicial Comm. His view, that the US Constitution is a living changing document is in total conflict with our system of government. The Constitution must be strictly construed.

The basis of our laws, the Constitution, may not be changed by Judges, but by an Amendment, as stated in the Constitution. Specter's refusal to appoint BORK a Federal Judge speaks right to the point.

Thank you. I know you will do the right thing.

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32 posted on 11/09/2004 6:05:16 AM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: tkathy

You are correct on this issue, and Hugh Hewitt is saying a lot more than just the ramifications to Santorum.

I am still waiting (it's now day three) for any of the anti-Specter crowd here or at NRO to give us a game plan for getting 60 votes to secure cloture for the President's circuit court nominees without the votes of Specter, Snowe, Chafee, Collins and McCain.

I'm still waiting.

(I am no Specter fan, but he and the moderates are the springboard to Bush's ability to get his judges AND securing cloture on a lot more of the legislative agenda, including, but not limited to, social security reform, health care reform, tort reform, and much more).


33 posted on 11/09/2004 6:06:16 AM PST by mwl1
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To: BibChr
Obviously I have not, being that I am asking you to outline his arguments.

Are you unwilling to do so? Are you unwilling to debate them?

Why did you pull out the old socialist "reactionary" accusation?
34 posted on 11/09/2004 6:06:54 AM PST by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: mwl1
We wont get to 60 votes even with the liberal R's. The rule changes that would be necessary to get past the dem's would be the same rules that make the liberal R's unnecessary
35 posted on 11/09/2004 6:09:14 AM PST by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: myself6

Odd you don't know me, I've been an active poster for years and years. I use that word because it seemed the fit word: your response was kneejerk and shallow sniping, rather than a contentful and considered step in a conversation.

As was this one.

If you want a conversation, go to www.hughhewitt.com, read what he says, and get back to me. If you just want a shooting match, I'm not interested.

Don't look for a subtext, there is none.

Dan


36 posted on 11/09/2004 6:10:48 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: myself6

Wrong. There will be no rules change. Neither the White House nor the Senate leadership is gonna go there.


37 posted on 11/09/2004 6:13:03 AM PST by mwl1
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To: Always Right
I'm glad to see FReepers standing for the right to life.

THANK YOU!

I have called Senator Frist about this.

38 posted on 11/09/2004 6:14:32 AM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: BibChr
At this point, I'm about equal parts despising Mac politically, and thinking the cost of tossing him under the bus would outweigh the benefit of it.

But what is the cost to Specter to have his butt saved from being tossed under the bus? That could be a more interesting. Win or lose, this campaign against Specter will accomplish plenty.

39 posted on 11/09/2004 6:18:25 AM PST by Always Right
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To: All

Folks,

From day 1 it has not been 100% clear how best to deal with Specter. We have to keep in mind we have a great opportunity to advance our agenda, but we also have to keep in mind that we have more Senate seats right now than our 51% win justifies. 55% > 51%, and that means some of them are vulnerable.

If we over-reach, we lose seats. Period.

Rove and the President understand the nuances of the Senate situation. Specter knows he is on the bubble. The absolute optimal situation would be, and I think we can all agree on this, that he says disquieting things to keep the left defused but when it comes to votes he toes the party line.

This *is* possible. The President is not going to nominate anyone for judge or justice who explicitly answers the abortion question. Those questions are going to be dodged every time with "I cannot respond to any question involving a case that might come before me." They will answer only judicial temperment questions and probably hedge those too.

We won't get anything to make us happy in that process, nor will we get anything to make us sad. Neither will the left, but they will search for evidence on the person.

Specter will have plenty of cover to obey the party, if he chooses to. The entire nomination process is very much more sophisticated than it was in Bork's day.


40 posted on 11/09/2004 6:19:53 AM PST by Owen
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