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PONDERING THEIR LOSS: DEMOCRATS LOOK BACK (they still don't get it?)
NY POST ^ | 11/13/04 | LETTERS TO THE EDITOR

Posted on 11/13/2004 3:16:13 AM PST by Liz

Peter Beinart was even more hysterical than usual this week ("The Right Way out of the Wilderness," Opinion, Nov. 6). He alleged that there was "conservative anti-Americanism" following the failure to impeach Bill Clinton. What is he talking about? Whatever you think of the impeachment, it was not "anti-American." It was merely holding a lying, degenerate scoundrel to account. When that becomes anti-American, we are doomed. Joe Santora Manhattan

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John Kerry's stances on the issues were strictly out of the past. His economic policies were Keynesian. His foreign-policy solutions were a product of 1960s thinking. His trade policies were a pre-Depression relic. And his solutions to social problems were from the New Deal mentality that looks to government first to solve every problem. In his 1996 re-election campaign, Clinton spoke of building a bridge to the 21st century. Kerry's policies would have brought us back to the 20th century. Albert Paparesta Brookfield, Conn.

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Where were these astute critiques and pearls of wisdom before Kerry's stunning defeat last Tuesday? Most of Beinart's columns, with regard to the race for president, as I recall, consisted of not much more than strident, liberal Bush-bashing. Only now does he want to offer thoughtful advice to his candidate. Wednesday morning quarterback, anyone? Tommy Drennan Jersey City, N.J.

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Whatever you think of the impeachment, it was not "anti-American." It was merely holding a lying, degenerate scoundrel to account. When that becomes anti-American, we are doomed.

Amen.

1 posted on 11/13/2004 3:16:13 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz

Some liberal twit at work said instead of free healthcare, everyone should get a free college education, so they wouldnt vote for conservatives..


2 posted on 11/13/2004 3:18:26 AM PST by cardinal4 (W's 3.5 million pop vote isnt a mandate, but algores .5 million is??)
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To: Liz

"Wednesday morning quarterback, anyone?"

Yep, the folks at The New Republic are freaking out. Martin Peretz, whom I normally like, wrote a piece about Kerry (it's around here somewhere) that was just plain mean.

So, if he didn't like him so much, they shouldn't have endorsed him.

When you are actually making me feel sorry for Kerry, what's up with that?


3 posted on 11/13/2004 3:20:31 AM PST by jocon307 (Jihad is world wide. Jihad is serious business. We ignore global jihad at our peril.)
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To: cardinal4

As put by a Liberal talkshow host on a latenight radio KGO here, "Ask not what you can do for your country, but ask what YOUR COUNTRY can DO FOR YOU!" Big government here!


4 posted on 11/13/2004 3:30:33 AM PST by Simmy2.5 (Kerry has been relieved of duty!)
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To: cardinal4
Some liberal twit at work said instead of free healthcare, everyone should get a free college education...

Problem for the libs there is, Bush won a majority of votes among college graduates, people with some college and high school graduates. The only educational groups Kerry won were high school dropouts and people with graduate school degrees.

So, if you're not a dropout or an academic, you probably voted for Bush.

The other problem is, there is no such thing as a "free" college education - or anything else for that matter.

5 posted on 11/13/2004 3:32:17 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Bush won, Arafat is dead and Peterson is guilty. On the whole, not a bad two weeks.)
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To: Liz
The left is in full crack-up.

Clinton was their high-water mark. A full-fledged Mozart of BS-production. A freak talent for making nonsense sound like wisdom. Exactly what the left needed, because their entire philosophy is a creaking Rube Goldberg machine of internal contradiction, superstition, and mythology. Clinton was possible because of a unique confluence of historical trends: post-cold-war "readiness fatigue," the conversion of the mass media to an ideological mouthpiece of the left, and one individual with an extradorinary talent for lying. Oh, yeah, and Ross Perot.

Some of those factors may come along again, but others never will. For example, I don't see another Clinton-level talent among the Democrat's current crop of mediocrity. They seem to be trying mightily to anoint Barak Obama into this role, but I doubt it. Physics has been waiting a long time for another Einstein; I think the Democrats will have to wait just as long for another Clinton. And even when he (or she) finally emerges, the media will have morphed into something much more difficult to spoof. And, the constant pressure of terror and chaos from the Islamic world will keep people's instinct for self-preservation at a high level.

(steely)

6 posted on 11/13/2004 3:32:41 AM PST by Steely Tom (Fortunately, fhe Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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To: jocon307
When you are actually making me feel sorry for Kerry, what's up with that?

Could be the post-election "Uriah Heep Factor." We need to be aware that the "Uriah Heeps" are out there plotting and planning to co-opt the 2004 conservative victory for their own hidden agendas.

The Uriah Heeps of the world would manhandle the social conservative victory----and dilute the presidential mandate conferred by proto-conservatives----for their own self-serving agendas.

Uriah Heep is notorious for wielding undue influence, a bounder who was always planning and plotting, ingratiating himself into the confidence of others. Uriah is obsequious, manipulative, and wormed his way into positions of influence. Uriah was a consummate con man, and not to be trusted.

Translated into the language of the popular culture, the Uriah Heeps position themselves as amenable to conservative qualities of faith and compassion, but are insincere in these feelings, using people only to advance their own agendas and ambiitons.

They've smelled the power of conservatives, and now the Uriah Heeps grow in their desire to exercise control over the Bush agenda and over conservatives. The Uriah Heeps of the world with their sense of entitlement feed on the victories of others. They become more and more power-hungry and will deploy their self-serviing strategies to selfish purposes.

We need to watch out, for they will bring more harm to conservative interests in the rights of the unborn, religious freedom, restoration of American culture, and so on.

At their very core----the Uriah Heeps evince an elitist, unmitigated contempt for Christan conservatives, and all we stand for, but are willing to hold their noses, and work with the conservatives they loathe, in order to co-opt conservatives for self-serving purposes.

7 posted on 11/13/2004 3:38:02 AM PST by Liz (The man who establishes the reputation of rising at dawn, can sleep til noon.)
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To: Steely Tom; MeekOneGOP

Nice deconstruction, replete with all kinds of gratifying mental pics......"Rube Goldberg Democrats" is a keeper. Somebody oughta photoshop that.

I don't think Obama can carry the heay water for the Dumbos. He's a flash in the pan, and was used by the Dims strictly for convention PR.

Clinton was enabled by Perot, not by anything earth-shaking he had to say. The Moanica blowout and impeachment are his legacy, and things Americans of all stripes would not want to go through again.


8 posted on 11/13/2004 3:43:50 AM PST by Liz (The man who establishes the reputation of rising at dawn, can sleep til noon.)
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To: Steely Tom
Clinton was their high-water mark.

Good God, what an awful thought.

9 posted on 11/13/2004 3:47:22 AM PST by libertylover (Ditch the Witch)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
The other problem is, there is no such thing as a "free" college education - or anything else for that matter.

Correct, Im already deep in debt and still have two years to go..

10 posted on 11/13/2004 3:51:25 AM PST by cardinal4 (W's 3.5 million pop vote isnt a mandate, but algores .5 million is??)
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To: Steely Tom
"Rube Goldberg machine of internal contradiction,superstiton,and mythology"

That is one of the best descrpitions of the dems philosophy that I have ever heard.They cling to tenets of socialism,marxism when they have been proven an abject failure when tried at any level.They want to save the life of every deranged,evil maniac that murders someone but will sacrifice an unborn baby for any cause.They believe minorities can`t get anywhere without them but must enslave minorites to a permanent underclass in order to maintain their political power.It gives you a headache to try to understand them.

11 posted on 11/13/2004 4:00:22 AM PST by carlr
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To: Liz
Luckily, 60% of the American people see right through the charlatans.
12 posted on 11/13/2004 4:05:40 AM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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The author is mis-informed.

Bubba was impeached ... the role of the House of Representatives. [Think of it as an indictment.]

The failure of the Senate to find Bubba guilty and thereby remove him from office ... is another matter. The senators, allowing politics to trump justice, failed completely and very publicly to perform their sworn duty.

13 posted on 11/13/2004 4:07:31 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: Liz
Just a note, Clinton WAS impeached... he just wasn't ousted as President.
14 posted on 11/13/2004 4:10:33 AM PST by BB2
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To: Liz

What amazes me in all the post election anal analysis that has gone on, is that no one has said that the reason Kerry lost is because he was a lousy candidate. It's all about the "nutso Christian right", or "not relating to the red states", but not a word about the fact that the dumos could not have chosen a worse candidate to challenge an arguably, pretty weak sitting president.


15 posted on 11/13/2004 4:21:17 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: Liz

Seems like Obama revealed himself for a typical leftist class warfare artist when he opened his mouth at the convention. He's no moderate, he's a fire-breather, a divider. A hater, not a helper.


16 posted on 11/13/2004 4:30:56 AM PST by johnb838 ("May they go to hell!" the soldiers shouted, and Allawi replied: "To hell they will go.")
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..... leftist class warfare artist.....immoderate, fire-breather, a divider, hater, not a helper.

Webster's should use that for defining Democrats.

17 posted on 11/13/2004 4:40:53 AM PST by Liz (The man who establishes the reputation of rising at dawn, can sleep til noon.)
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To: cardinal4
My hair is gray, I want four cruises a year, paid by the Government ...ooops, we are the government. Who cares if the Dems get it, I hope they don't. Stop trying to help them. Bush's follies are enough help.

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18 posted on 11/13/2004 4:47:03 AM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: Liz

Also, we must all work diligently in the coming months to convince “progressives” that the Democratic Party has let them down. They must abandon the party. Their only recourse is to join and work for the Green Party moving forward. I may even register as a Green Party member to swell their voter registration rolls. Divide and conquer.

Begin with putting all known “progressives” in your sphere of influence on the Green Party mail list from their website. Great fun. Start inundating them with information now.


19 posted on 11/13/2004 5:08:47 AM PST by schaketo (http://www.gp.org/ Convince progressives to join the Green Party Divide and conquer)
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To: schaketo

Heheh....nice move.


20 posted on 11/13/2004 5:15:42 AM PST by Liz (The man who establishes the reputation of rising at dawn, can sleep til noon.)
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