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5,000 Year-Old Artifacts (Found) Near Texas Coast
Washington Post ^ | 11-13-2004 | lynn Brezosky

Posted on 11/14/2004 2:33:59 PM PST by blam

5,000-Year-Old Artifacts Near Texas Coast

By LYNN BREZOSKY
The Associated Press
Saturday, November 13, 2004; 8:50 PM

HARLINGEN, Texas - Archaeologists have discovered a cache of artifacts near South Padre Island that they say could be up to 5,000 years old, potentially providing new clues about early peoples of the Texas coast.

Ricklis said the find is significant because so little is known about the ancient Rio Grande Valley. Most early manmade items would have been eroded by sand and sea air, or washed out by the ever-changing course of the waterways of the Rio Grande basin near the Mexican border.

"We don't have a chronology for the Rio Grande Delta," said Ricklis, who works for the Corpus Christi office of Coastal Environments Inc., an archaeological research company based in Baton Rouge, La. "We really have no idea of what the culture's prehistory was."

The artifacts were found in May during the environmental company's archaeological survey of the Bahia Grande, a 6,000-acre lowland between Brownsville and Port Isabel. The survey was required before the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service proceeds with plans to restore wetlands lost to the digging of the Brownsville Ship Channel during the 1930s.

Geologists say the Gulf of Mexico once reached as far west as Starr County and the Mexican state of Coahuila. Paleo-Indians - the term for ancient peoples who roamed the Southwest - may have seen the Gulf's final rise and retreat about 10,000 years ago, said Tony Zavaleta, an anthropologist at the University of Texas-Brownsville.

Ricklis said he believes the artifacts come from a later group of peoples who belonged to the archaic period, 7,500 B.C. to A.D. 750, which is characterized by grinding tools and certain types of projectile points.

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The people living in America prior to 6,000 years ago were different people than the people we (today) call American Indian/Native Americans. Any people prior to that period should be call paleo-Americans, not Paleo-Indians.
1 posted on 11/14/2004 2:34:01 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Perhaps, this could be Ainu? The oldest Indian remains were 6,000 years old. Kennewack man was 9,000 years old and he was Ainu likely.


2 posted on 11/14/2004 2:35:47 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: Ptarmigan; SunkenCiv; Ditter
GGG Ping.

Skeletal Remains May Be 11,000 Years Old (Lake Jackson, Texas)

3 posted on 11/14/2004 2:38:31 PM PST by blam
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To: Ptarmigan
Where there Indians called "Ainu"?? I thought Ainu was an indigenous people in Japan.
4 posted on 11/14/2004 3:03:13 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: blam
More of my theory of early man in NA proves true - however most of the remains of civilization between 18,000 YA and 6,000 YA will be found out on the continental shelf. Many of these artifact "anomalies" have been found off the east coast while treasure hunting, but have been hidden away because it disproves the ancestral claims of many native americans.

My general Theory is that is would have been easier to walk to NA from europe than asia, because of the extreme low level of the seas during the glacial periods. tribes could easily hunt their way around the ice shelf and exposed land masses between the two continents.

5 posted on 11/14/2004 3:06:54 PM PST by xcamel (W2: Four more years of Tax Cuts and Dead Terrorists)
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To: xcamel
"My general Theory is that is would have been easier to walk to NA from europe than asia, because of the extreme low level of the seas during the glacial periods. tribes could easily hunt their way around the ice shelf and exposed land masses between the two continents."

They came from many directions. I believe the Jomon - Ainu - Austroneasians were the first to arrive in the west of the Americas. However, the Europeans weren't far behind if not first.

Iberia, Not Siberia

6 posted on 11/14/2004 3:12:28 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

I'm glad I'm not the only one working on these theories... and I'm not even a scientist. :(0)


7 posted on 11/14/2004 3:15:54 PM PST by xcamel (W2: Four more years of Tax Cuts and Dead Terrorists)
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To: xcamel
"My general Theory is that is would have been easier to walk to NA from europe than asia, because of the extreme low level of the seas during the glacial periods. tribes could easily hunt their way around the ice shelf and exposed land masses between the two continents."

They came from many directions. I believe the Jomon - Ainu - Austroneasians were the first to arrive in the west of the Americas. However, the Europeans weren't far behind if not first.

Iberia, Not Siberia

8 posted on 11/14/2004 3:20:16 PM PST by blam
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To: xcamel
Immigrants From The Other Side (Clovis Is Solutrean)
9 posted on 11/14/2004 3:22:54 PM PST by blam
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To: trashcanbred
The Samurai And The Ainu
10 posted on 11/14/2004 3:24:48 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
ancient peoples who roamed the Southwest - may have seen the Gulf's final rise

Evidence of prehistoric global warming. Obviously (since they didn't have horses to ride) they ran around in gas wasting SUVs.

11 posted on 11/14/2004 3:25:42 PM PST by PAR35
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To: trashcanbred
The Relationship Between The Basque And Ainu
12 posted on 11/14/2004 3:26:36 PM PST by blam
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To: Ptarmigan
Who Were The Si-Te-Cah?
13 posted on 11/14/2004 3:28:21 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Were they wearing hats?

:)

LVM

14 posted on 11/14/2004 3:31:22 PM PST by LasVegasMac (If it ain't smoked, it ain't worth puttin' on the table!)
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To: blam
paleo-Americans

Pat Buchanan's roots found!!

15 posted on 11/14/2004 3:32:46 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: blam

Were there giant belt buckles found on the scene? ;)


16 posted on 11/14/2004 3:32:55 PM PST by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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To: flashbunny

LOL!


17 posted on 11/14/2004 3:34:23 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: flashbunny
Bye, Bye Beringia (8,000 Year-Old Site In Florida (Windover)

European DNA Found In 7-8,000 Year Old Skeleton In Florida (Windover)

18 posted on 11/14/2004 3:37:01 PM PST by blam
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To: trashcanbred

Ainus also live in Kamtchaka Peninsula in Russia. Maybe Ainus did live all over the world.


19 posted on 11/14/2004 3:41:27 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: flashbunny
The inscription on this item is believed to represent intribal rivalry between early educational institutions.


20 posted on 11/14/2004 3:44:39 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: blam

Yes! The Solutreians and the same spear points as Clovis.


21 posted on 11/14/2004 3:49:04 PM PST by Siobhan (Where is there justice in the gate...)
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To: blam

Ojibwa carry DNA that is only found in a minority population in Europe as I recall -- you no doubt have that information at your fingertips, blam.


22 posted on 11/14/2004 3:50:33 PM PST by Siobhan (Where is there justice in the gate...)
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To: blam

Cabeza de Vaca was shipwrecked on the Texas coast (probably Galveston Island) in 1528 and survived to write an account of his experiences. The Indians of that era seem to have led a wretched existence and were often hungry. A couple of tribes had the custom of killing their newborn daughters, and acquiring wives by buying women from other tribes.


23 posted on 11/14/2004 3:58:24 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: blam

BTTT


24 posted on 11/14/2004 3:59:38 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Siobhan
"Ojibwa carry DNA that is only found in a minority population in Europe as I recall"

Probably related to the Red-Paint-People who have recently been connected to the Scandanavian countries.

25 posted on 11/14/2004 4:08:38 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

South Padre Island...Great camping on the beach! Did that last spring.


26 posted on 11/14/2004 4:28:01 PM PST by Sertorius (A hayseed with no greek and dam^ proud of it)
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To: blam

Whatever her age, Clinton would like to date her!


27 posted on 11/14/2004 4:42:25 PM PST by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: Sertorius
"South Padre Island...Great camping on the beach! Did that last spring."

Lived in Texas for 20 years, went there once. I usually went east to Alabama or Florida for the beach scene, much better beaches.

28 posted on 11/14/2004 4:53:43 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

"The people living in America prior to 6,000 years ago were different people than the people we (today) call American Indian/Native Americans."

Just curious but why wouldn't these Paleo-Americans be the Native-Americans (or Indians) grandparents ?


29 posted on 11/14/2004 5:51:30 PM PST by sawmill trash (We interrupt the regularly scheduled tagline to bring you this special tagline. 4 MORE YEARS !!!!)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
Finally, the GGG ping. Sorry for today's volume, but I'm finally able to catch up. Good point Blam about the nomenclature.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest
-- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

30 posted on 11/16/2004 11:15:15 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: blam

During my short stay in Corpus we spent a lot of time hunting small critters and fishing - found mastodons literally dripping out of river banks.
There's a lot of old stuff out there and 35 or so years ago there was darn little being done about it.

Probably same to be said about the immediate off-coast regions but they are so sandy that only sonar would work.


31 posted on 11/16/2004 3:12:44 PM PST by norton
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To: sawmill trash
"Just curious but why wouldn't these Paleo-Americans be the Native-Americans (or Indians) grandparents ?"

They were a different race of people...there may have been some 'mixing' though.

First Americans

32 posted on 11/16/2004 3:43:18 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Are there any sketches or pictures of these artifacts? Some of the best points I have ever found came from up river from this spot, on the Mexican side.


33 posted on 11/16/2004 3:50:42 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter; Dog Gone
"Are there any sketches or pictures of these artifacts?"

Sorry, haven't seen any. Keep your eye on the Houston Chronicle for updates on this story.

34 posted on 11/16/2004 3:54:43 PM PST by blam
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To: Verginius Rufus

Bull-headed fellow, wasn't he?


35 posted on 11/16/2004 4:04:24 PM PST by Old Professer ( War too often becomes personal; we inure ourselves to the abstract and audit too lightly)
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To: Old Professer
That's Cabeza de Vaca, not Cabeza de Toro...

There's a fairly new Penguin edition of Alvar Nun~ez Cabeza de Vaca, Chronicle of the Narvaez Expedition.

Ilan Stavans in the introduction comments that the surname, literally meaning Cow's Head, is one of the stranger surnames in literary and cultural history. Supposedly it dates back to an ancestor's exploit in 1212 at the battle of Las Navas de Tolosa...the ancestor used a cow's skull to mark a path which allowed the Christian forces to escape destruction.

Stavans calls the story "probably apocryphal" since it is not recorded until much later. So the cow's head story is probably b.s.

Cabeza de Vaca seems to have been a pretty decent guy, at least in comparison to most of the early explorers of the New World.

36 posted on 11/16/2004 5:28:01 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: trashcanbred; blam

Some people are "Ainu" retemtive.


37 posted on 11/16/2004 9:09:32 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: Henchman
"Some people are "Ainu" retemtive."

Perhaps even you and me, huh?

38 posted on 11/16/2004 9:49:30 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

. . . it was an absentee vote for Al Gore.


39 posted on 11/16/2004 9:50:01 PM PST by smonk
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