Skip to comments.Wahabi mosque under construction in Boston
Posted on 11/16/2004 7:32:01 AM PST by angel90210
I was just watching CBN news and they were saying that one of the largest mosques in North America is under construction in Boston (anyone in Boston aware of this?). The mosque has Wahabi connection and is associated with the Islamic Society of Boston (with Wahabi and terrorist connections). The city of Boston sold the land for 25-50% of its actual value, all without comments from the mayor's office and Boston Globe. What's going on here? We are over in the Middle East bombing Arabs. Something like 70% or more Arabs hate the USA and we're importing radical Islamists right in our midst. It's like lighting a cigarette in a munitions factory.
Wow, disturbing article. I'll ping some Boston-area FReepers...
Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my miscellaneous ping list.
This has nothing to do with "religious freedom" although Muslims and the ACLU are trying hard to cloak it in these terms (and so are you, for that matter). In point of fact, if Islam prevails nobody except their adherents will have "religious freedom". The Infidels either convert or die (it is possible for a short interregnum of Dhimmitude).
Subversive organizations should not be allowed to propagate in this country and especially when we are in deadly armed conflict against their adherents. There is no necessity under our Constitution to cooperate with our own demise, even one cleverly cloaked with "religion". Islam is a complete system of culture, laws and government and not just a system of worship.
The overarching goal of Islam is to overtake and change the entire target entire culture (ours in this case), peacefully if possible but ultimately through force if necessary. They would institute Sharia Law in place of our Constitution. Such behavior meets the definition of a "subversive" organization and unAmerican activity.
Islam is antithetical to American values and Western civilization. This is a "survival" issue, not just a "religious" one.
Check out post 92
2:190-193 "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you ... And slay them wherever ye catch them ... And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in God ..."
2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth and ye know not."
2:224 "Then fight in the cause of God and know that God heareth and knoweth all things."
3:157-158 "And if ye are slain or die in the way of God, forgiveness and mercy from God are far better than all they could amass. And if ye die, or are slain, Lo! It is unto God that ye are brought together."
3:169 "Think not of those who are slain in God's way as dead. Nay, they live finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord."
3:195 "... Those who have ... fought or been slain, verily I will blot out from them their iniquities and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath; a reward from the presence of God ..."
4:101 "... For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
4:74, 75 "Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of God whether he is slain or gets victory, soon shall we give him a reward of great (value). Those who believe fight in the cause of God and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil, so fight ye against the friends of Satan, feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
4:89 "They but wish that ye should reject faith as they do, and thus be on the same footing as they. But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of God. But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them "
4:95 "Not equal are those believers who sit at (at home) and receive no hurt and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than those who sit (at home).
5:36 "The punishment of those who wage war against God and His apostle and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter."
5:54 "O ye who believe. Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust."
8:12-17 "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them. This because they contend against God and his apostle. If any contend against God and his apostle, God is strict in punishment ... O ye who believe. When ye meet the unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day, unless it be a stratagem of war ... he draws on himself the wrath of God and his abode is Hell, an evil refuge (indeed)."
8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
8:59-60 "Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly). They will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know ..."
8:65 "O apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred. If a hundred they will vanquish a thousand of the unbelievers, for these are a people without understanding."
9:5 "... fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ..."
9:14 "Fight them, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame ..."
9:29 "Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and his apostle nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay the Jizya [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
9:112 The Believers fight in Allahs Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.
47:4 "Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks, at length when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them) ... but if it had been God's will, he could certainly have exacted retribution from them (himself), but (he lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of God, he will never let their deeds be lost."
61:4 "Truly God loves those who fight in His cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."
The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The (Final) Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
The Hadith Volume 2, Book 26, Number 595:
(the mother of the faithful believers) I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed." The Prophet said, "The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj Mabrur. "
The Hadith Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet was asked, "Which is the best deed?" He said, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle." He was then asked, "Which is the next (in goodness)?" He said, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." He was then asked, "Which is the next?" He said, "To perform Hajj-Mabrur. "
I'd love to hook up with a rocket launcher (and you know they have 'em). ;^)
next it will be like canada and under islamic law like an area of Canada is, this is sad daily christians are told no you can't do this or that no you cant display the holy family during christmas yet they can have a call to prayer in Michigan
And a lot of the muslims come over hear,set up a company and get government contracts handed to them on silver platters because they qualify as minority owned businesses.
I live in CA and work in Santa Clara I heard about there being groups in that area. And the map has confirmed it. According to the San Jose Mercury after 9/11 stated that one of the hijackers worked for a large medical group many years before. So this is very uneasy for me to see this map it actually makes me afraid. And the mosque in that area also, did some fund raisers from what I have read on free republic and worldnet daily. We must wake up
Could this become the sKerry Campaign HQ in 2008?
As a German, I agree with your statement and yet the Germans have been living with guilt for what there leader did and now they are filled with the religion of peace(so they say) and having problems, my mom's hometown Mannheim is filled with them.
But I dont think people are seeing the pattern all I can do is pray for this great nation because I am very worried of the increase of this group of people I am actually afraid,yet the ACLU wont let people do there jobs to make sure they dont hurt our country again. Makes me ill
Interesting times we live in. At least we get to see history come alive.
This is horrible the more I am reading tonight the more afraid and worried I am . I deal with alot of Muslims in my area Santa Clara CA. it is amazing that they get prayer time off the Chief of Police in San Jose CA who is a Catholic did the whole celebration of Rammandam (however you spell it) by the time I got done with the article in the paper I was wondering if he was going to convert. I as an american get dirty looks at the work place by the ones I deal with, I actually stopped wearing my cross because I felt in fear of being complained on. Last year we wanted to decorate for Christmas and we were told to tone it down alittle This is sickening.
Over half the imams in our country are of the Islamist bent...
If you believe Pipes.....it may be as high as 80 percent.
This is your country, you have every right to wear your cross, we have freedom OF religion here. Though too many people now say that as freedom FROM religion, which is incorrect.
Just a couple of basic links re: the ACLU and the Socialist Party.
I was maybe not as accurate as I should have been. In 1928 Norman Thomas helped to revive the Socialist Party of the USA (which had been founded by Debs in 1901), after it had fallen a bit dormant, and then ran on its ticket for President of the US 6 times.
He was a co-founder of the ACLU, besides helping to revive the SPUSA
hope they're using union workers to build it...hehe.
Blow it up. Burn it down. Don't hurt anyone or any neighboring properties. But it is time Americans had the balls to say: NO AL-QAEDA ON OUR SOIL. Wahabism is not a "religion". It is a death cult. WAKE UP BOSTON.
The idiots in charge must be insane, al-Quida simps or just regular traitors, pick one!
I'm sure they hate free America
It's important to note that many of the rantings of the Koran are contradicted by earlier, more subdued and tolerant passages and folks will point this out to try and counter the intolerant quotes. The problem is, according to Muslims, the Koran is listed in an order for a reason, and what comes later supersedes the earlier passages and most of the rantings come in Mohammeds later revelations making the earlier tolerance redundant. The contradictions also raise a question, as Muslims believe the entire Koran is composed of Allahs exact words as revealed to Muhammed, then why did their all powerful, all knowing Allah have such a hard time makeing it's mind up? I suppose the truth is Muhammed added whatever he personally needed, whenever it suited him to help in his wars, genocide, slavery, looting, raping, and pedophilia (see articles at FaithFreedom.Org for details).
If you want to look at Islamic sites to see this for yourself, the mainstream "moderate" Islamic site "Islam Q+A" backs up the passes about The Hour [the Day of Judgement] will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. A Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say, O Muslim, O slave of Allaah! There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him! except for the gharqad (box thorn), for it is one of the trees of the Jews. here. Over at Khilafah.com they have a stricter interpretation of ISlam, and back up that I posted about the agenda of Islam - a war between civilizations over here.
Or you can read Islams highest sources, their officially approved Imams in Islams holiest places and the hatred and calls to Jihad that have been preaching in my post here. It's interesting that Muslims or even non-Muslims that get offended by these facts prefer to take their anger out on messengers like myself, rather than the Islamofascists and the "root cause" - the ideology behind it.
I've been on several Islamic forums myself and with others (where I usually get banned for raising issues, so I go back in pretending to be a "moderate" secular Muslim) and can say the general feeling there for "peace and tolerance" towards the west is pretty low. But it is important to differentiate between Islam and Muslims. I believe Islam is evil to the core, but many Muslims are simply its first victims. I do not intend to make it sound that all Muslims have horns on their heads as this is not fair, or true. As I stated at least 100 posts ago in this thread, I had Muslim friends overseas and some of them were great people. Just not "true believers." All in all, living in an Islamic country for a few years as a Dhimmi expat gave me a great insight on their religion and culture, and I would like to help pass this on so others can see understand better what we are dealing with.
OK, coffees over and its time to go earn a living....
That's one nice thing about hanging around here. There are people here who take a lot of things seriously!
So we sit tight until they attempt to enact Sharia law nationally? How about prohibiting immigration from Mohammedan countries before we get to civil war?
I really think that's what it's going to take, to wake
people up. Islam is not a religion, it's a death cult.
"Where in Boston?"....geeez dont ya know nuttin...its the capitol of the blue states!
Yes, we sure must.
Although I really don't know what can be done about it at this point.
Most of them hold down wonderful jobs, wear suits to work, are involved in PTA, live next door, make great neighbors, upstanding citizens.
Until they get the word to 'move forward.'
Remember the one hijacker that lived in Florida? He was all these things. He even left a wife and kids to fly to Boston and from there joined his 'pack' to fly planes into the towers.
This is much bigger then me, I just know it. :(
Muslims make up less than 1% of the US population. Do you really think they will ever reach a level where they will have the ability to impose Sharia law? Despite what some Freepers fear, there really isn't a lot of Muslim immigration to this country. Also, since 9/11 there have been a lot of deportations and emigration of Muslims out of this country.
How about prohibiting immigration from Mohammedan countries before we get to civil war?
I am in favor of that.
I truly hope it never gets to this level in America, or anywhere else in the West.
The key is they will not attempt to take over a whole country in one go although many international Islamic groups like Al Mujaharoun and Hizb ut-Tahrir openly state this is their goal in Pakistan, Europe, Turkey and the US, but will instead chip away at it a little at a time, be it the legal system or control of a particular piece territory, or right to practice sharia as an alternative as they have pushed for in Canada. Once they have bitten off a chunk, they are likely fight to the last drop of blood to keep what they think the have won.
They have done this in the past, taking over areas one at a time and will not hesitate to use democracy as they would any other tool to get power, and then destroy the democratic process that gets them in power in the first place (Algeria is prime example of this, and the reason why they had to cancel the elections there).
I saw this in action for myself on the East coast of so-called "moderate" Malaysia where sharia was imposed using on a frightened populace, but it's also happening in other places such as Nigeria (Sharia vs the Christians). Saudi gasbucks are funding HUGE marble paneled mosques all over Asia, America and Europe. I've actually been in some of these lavish no-expense spared mosques, and have read and heard many of the incendiary sermons from the Saudi financed Imams from impeccable sources.
Aquinasfan, I agree with your posts. By taking a stand now, we put a stop to this spread and will reduce the casualties on both sides. This is why I'm truly upset over the ISB, it's past terrorist connections, and this mosque.
I believe that when Mohammedans comprise 30% of the population they will attempt to impose Sharia law on their communities or states.
I don't know when this number will be reached, but keep in mind that Mohammedans aren't aborting themselves out of existence as we are. The only reason why our population isn't declining is because of immigration, mostly Mexican.
Boston is in hell. Just past the main entrace sign.
You must have missed my earlier post at 109. I'll repost the pertinent part below:
"I read somewhere once that in 1970 the US had a moslem population of about 100,000. Thirty years later in 2000, it was approximately 3 million, realistically speaking (though some of the CAIR etc. groups claim it's double, that's doubtful.)
"So in those 30 years that population increased x30.
"If those numbers hold, in the next 30 years, by about 2030, the moslem segment of the US population will be 90 million..."
And you should also search out quotes by earlier moslem leaders, I quoted one earlier, the former president of Algeria, Boumedienne, who said "We will conquer your countries through the wombs of our women."
Canada, btw, is already facing the prospect of having to deal with shar'ia law in certain areas in the future, considering the rumblings about it there. Their moslem population is only about 400,000 to 500,000 out of a total population of I think 30 million. Not even 2%.
Thanks for the PSA. Is the West listening?
Let's be honest -- don't most mosques have a Wahabbi connection?
I think it will be far less than 30% of the population that will be the tipping point towards shar'ia.
Please check out my post just above.
Maybe. However, such a massive growth rate would take decades at the very least. Think about how many Hispanics have been flooding into this country and for how long and then realize that they only comprise about 13% of the population. And, unlike with Hispanic immigration, we can shut down Muslim immigration tomorrow, if we wanted to.
I don't know when this number will be reached, but keep in mind that Mohammedans aren't aborting themselves out of existence as we are.The only reason why our population isn't declining is because of immigration, mostly Mexican.
American birth rates, both native born and of immigrants, are increasing. We're at about replacement level these days. Like I said, unless the Muslim population can grow at a rate even higher than the Hispanic population (which includes heaven knows how many illegals every year), they will continue to be a small minority in this country.
Apparently, even some FReepers will not listen to the truth.
How many churches are open in Wahabi Arabia?
Demographic predictions like that are meaningless. The growth of the Muslim population in this country is primarily due to immigration, rather than births. We can completely shut down Muslim immigration tomorrow, if we want to. You are assuming that this country will remain complacent for the next 25 years.
Canada, btw, is already facing the prospect of having to deal with shar'ia law in certain areas in the future, considering the rumblings about it there.
No, what has happened in Canada is that the law now allows two private parties to have their civil dispute governed by Sharia law so long as the provisions of Sharia law do not conflict with Canadian law or public policy.
The law is exactly the same in the US and has been for decades: if two private parties want their dispute settled by Sharia law (or Biblical law, or Klingon law) they are free to contract to do so, so long as the law they choose does not conflict with American law or public policy.
I worked on a transaction where an Islamic investment group bought ownership interests in assisted living facilities. There are (perfectly legal) provisions in the transaction documents requiring that the facilities be operated in a Sharia compliant manner.
It is in Roxbury - a place I try not to ever go or even drive through.
This is all "thin edge of the wedge" that we're dealing with today.
Yes, perhaps we will not be as complacent in the future as we have been previously, but will our govt clamp down soon enough?
I can only hope.
Do you know that in Michigan, there is actually a bank that now allows moslems not to have home mortgages, in line with shar'ia law?
"University Bank has initiated an innovative mortgage alternative loan transaction (MALT(TM)(1)) origination program to provide persons of the Muslim faith as an alternative to home mortgages to allow homeowners to be compliant with Muslim Law (Sharia'a). Current conventional mortgage products are prohibited by the tenets of the Muslim faith, which forbid the receipt or payment of interest."
As I said, thin edge of the wedge.
There are mortgages, they're just not called mortgages. It's a sham to make mortgages Sharia compliant, but you can be damned sure that the bank is getting its interest payments.
I say kudos to this bank for figuring out how to tap the Muslim market.
So how many Mohammedans are into it? Are most of them cultural Mohammedans?
How deep and widespread is their hatred for the West?
I hope you're wrong, but I'm afraid you're right.
I hope I'm wrong too!
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