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Artest fight, need FR help (vanity
11/22/04 | Josh in PA

Posted on 11/22/2004 7:00:52 AM PST by Josh in PA

Can anyone here find a link/article to where it says Artest hit the wrong fan, and the guy he went after wasn't the one who threw the beer?

Thanks


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To: RushCrush
I agree. Wallace shoved Artest in the throat and then followed him over to the bench, trying to goad him into retaliation. Artest seemingly didn't want any part of Wallace.

Apparently there are precendents for what Wallace did and his suspension is in line with previous shoving incidents.

I still think his suspension is too short.

21 posted on 11/22/2004 7:29:07 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: DocH

amen.


22 posted on 11/22/2004 7:30:30 AM PST by wewon
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To: Josh in PA

"wrong fan" found in these articles:

http://www.times-standard.com/Stories/0,1413,127~2899~2549963,00.html

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/11508555p-12420124c.html


23 posted on 11/22/2004 7:32:00 AM PST by Rebelbase (Indiscriminate reprisals strengthen the terrorists. Targeted ones weaken them. Aim is everything.)
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To: Josh in PA

He hit them both eventually.


24 posted on 11/22/2004 7:32:21 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: wewon
espn had a roundtable discusion saturday evening. everyone of their announcers agreed it was all the fan's fault, and the players were justified in beating the crap out of the fans.

I am not sure but it looked like one of the same guys that said this morning that any fan that came onto the court was "fair game". Funny he didn't say that any player that went into the stands should be considered "fair game".

25 posted on 11/22/2004 7:34:33 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: Josh in PA

One of the cameras showed him taunting Artest...not that that is any excuse to clock him.

What I don't understand is why Jackson only got 30 games...I guess Stern took Artest's past actions into consideration.


26 posted on 11/22/2004 7:35:20 AM PST by Guillermo (Michael Moore is fat)
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To: Josh in PA

after reviewing tapes (per police) it shows that one kid was just having a good time at all of the fighting, he still had his drink in his hand he was innocent, he has a good payday coming; and another fan was punched by jackson also who was not involved and those poor fools on the court they were beaten not only by o'neal but some of the coaching staff


27 posted on 11/22/2004 7:35:48 AM PST by dubyawhoiluv
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To: Josh in PA
One of the channels this morning had the friend of the attack victim on the air. He (the friend) is seen getting punched by a second Pacer as he is trying to help his buddy. The friend says that the guy who threw the beer had come down from the cheap seats and that Artest was shouting "Did you throw it?!" as he was approaching his buddy and his buddy was saying, "No!, No! it wasn't me!" as he was falling down between the seats.

The interviewee was asked if he was feeling any pain and the guy kinda rubbed his neck and let out a little half-wink saying, he was a little sore but he should be okay.

Can you say, "ka-ching$$$"?).

28 posted on 11/22/2004 7:37:40 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Josh in PA

You should learn to tune Mike Gallagher out in cases like this. He's one of the biggest phonies in radio -- and one of his most annoying traits is that he'll stake out idiotic positions just to generate interest in his show.


29 posted on 11/22/2004 7:38:30 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: kizzdogg

I'm sorry, I don't buy this one.

He didn't "just" snap. Ron Artest has had anger and attitude problems since he entered the league. I think the year long suspension might have something to do with that (he was already suspended for two games earlier in this young season!).

He has exhibited bad behavior his entire career.

15 games? He went into the stands and started pummeling a fan who did not do anything to him. Then he attacked other people, it didn't end there. He should have been arrested and anybody else would lose thier job, and not just for a year. He's been a "bad boy" for a long time. But teams will employ anyone if they think it will win them a game.


30 posted on 11/22/2004 7:42:49 AM PST by DameAutour ("Go carefully. Be conservative. Be sure you are right - and then don't be afraid")
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To: Alberta's Child

The entire sports media stays up late at night thinking of ways to excuse terrible behavior. they are liberal to a fault, and they make me sick.


31 posted on 11/22/2004 7:43:35 AM PST by wewon
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To: GSWarrior

I agree, Wallace's suspension is too short. He assaulted another player and then went after him and wouldn't stop.


32 posted on 11/22/2004 7:43:41 AM PST by DameAutour ("Go carefully. Be conservative. Be sure you are right - and then don't be afraid")
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To: Josh in PA
Put the multimillionaire in jail for assault. Hitting people when you are that big is not an option. Any player who goes into the stands should be tried for assault. And the fan who threw the beer should also be in jail.
33 posted on 11/22/2004 7:45:22 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: JFK_Lib

The decline of the NBA goes back to the days of refs like Mendy Rudolph, who began allowing all the pushing and shoving. Then it became a joke - the refs began deciding which pushing and shoving they'd allow (usually by favored "stars"), and which they wouldn't. That's why I can hardly watch the NBA anymore - the officiating is ridiculous, completely arbitrary.


34 posted on 11/22/2004 7:47:34 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: wewon

ESPN announcers are former jocks themselves so I guess they are protecting their own. They are wrong of course and if Stern didn't suspend Artest for the rest of the season it would have almost been an endorsement of his actions.


35 posted on 11/22/2004 7:52:37 AM PST by PISANO (Never Forget 911!! & 911's 1st Heroes..... "Beamer, Glick, Bingham & Bennett.")
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To: JFK_Lib
Now they are worse than hockey players for thuggery, violence and crudity.

The irony is that off the ice, hockey players are generally considered among the most decent professional athletes you'll ever meet.

36 posted on 11/22/2004 7:53:10 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: DocH

I agree. I want to see the outcry against every fan pouring drinks, etc on the players as they were leaving the arena. Ridiculous. Bullies & thugs.


37 posted on 11/22/2004 7:55:24 AM PST by ican'tbelieveit
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To: RushCrush
Why doesn't anyone talk about the idiot who threw the first punch (only got a 6 game suspension).

This has been discussed a lot on other threads. Throwing a punch in an NBA game generally gets a player a one-game suspension. I suspect he got one game for starting the brawl and another five for lingering on the court and making a scene afterwards.

If the league were to penalize him any more than that, then they would basically be holding him responsible for the idiocy of the Pacer players who ran up into the seats.

38 posted on 11/22/2004 7:56:10 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: wewon

well they are idiots.

if you don't know who threw the cup, you don't go hitting innoncent people there with there kids!!!


39 posted on 11/22/2004 7:59:36 AM PST by Josh in PA
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To: Josh in PA
On my way into work this morning I was listening to a beat writer in Detroit (Free Press I believe). He was had left his seat and was standing right next to the fan that Artest attacked. As Artest was swinging at the fan he was asking him if he was the one who threw it. Plus the guy still had his drink in his hand when Artest went after him. It really sounds like Artest got the wrong guy and he can't claim self defense, because he clearly didn't know if that was the guy who had launched a drink at him.

The writer went on to say that Stephen Jackson was originally trying to separate Artest from the fans when he got suckerpunched and Jackson had not hit anyone until he was struck.

40 posted on 11/22/2004 8:00:56 AM PST by pro libertate
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