Posted on 11/23/2004 9:03:00 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
Of course I always repeating that American shouldn’t idealize Putin cause he fight with terrorism, because of Beslan tragedy or because he supported Bush. He did it only because it was necessary for him and his mafia.
So were the ones for Kerry, especially in Republican N & S Carolina. Besides, why weren't there any exit polls done in eastern or southern Ukraine?
Besides the fact that the EU has no military to speak of, what gives it the right to step into the civil war of another country? Should Russia then equally step in. Well, maybe its time for Europe wide war, haven't had one in 60 years, only the terror bombing of Orthodox Christians in Serbia.
You should check the backer of the opposition, a Soros man through and through, put Yuscheko's and Soro's names into google and query, lots of stuff. Who's the socialist?
PRESSURE GROWS TO PULL UKRAINE'S TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ
By Taras Kuzio
On April 28 the Ukrainian contingent in Iraq lost an additional two soldiers, bringing its total to three. These most recent deaths followed the kidnapping of five Ukrainian citizens working for the Russian company Interenergoservis in Baghdad.
Some 1,700 Ukrainian troops are based in the Polish-led Central-South zone of Iraq. This contingent represents the fourth largest of the thirty-three member U.S.-led Coalition. Ukraine's troops are drawn from the Sixth Separate Mechanized Division, composed of three battalions. In light of the escalation of violence in April, Defense Minister Yevhen Marchuk revealed that Ukraine is considering sending helicopters to provide air support to its contingent.
In mid-April a motion was presented to parliament by Mykola Tomenko, head of the parliamentary committee on Freedom of Speech and Information, to discuss and vote on the issue of Ukraine's contingent in Iraq. The motion was fully supported by the left-wing opposition Communists and Socialists.
What was more surprising was the support for the motion by the populist Yulia Tymoshenko Yushchenko second in command. opposition and forty-five out of 100 Our Ukraine members. Tomenko is a leading member of Our Ukraine, Viktor Yushchenko's political bloc. The motion obtained only 163 votes, far short of the 226 required for parliamentary approval. The opposition is planning to return to the issue.
It is not surprising that the neo-Stalinist Communists and the more moderate Socialists are opposed to Ukrainian troops being part of the U.S.-led coalition. But support for the Ukrainian military contingent by the pro-presidential center and opposition to the deployment by the opposition national democrats (Our Ukraine, Y.TYmoshenko) is contrary to their foreign policy preferences.
Support for Ukraine's military contingent in Iraq is therefore lukewarm. The deployment is backed by political forces who are inherently hostile to the United States.
Privately, President Leonid Kuchma does not support the U.S. led coalition; during his second term in office he has permitted and encouraged a growth in anti-Americanism. Kuchma believes that the United States (i.e., the CIA) was behind the Kuchmagate scandal that arose from the publicity given to tape recordings illicitly made in his office in 1999-2000. The recordings were made by Mykola Melnychenko, an officer serving in a Ukrainian equivalent of the U.S. Secret Service. Melnychenko obtained asylum in the United States in April 2001.
Kuchma's agreement to deploy 1,700 Ukrainian troops meant he dissented from Russia, which had joined with "old Europe" in denouncing the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. But this dissent merely masks what is in fact Kuchma's re-orientation towards Russia since 2000.
It was for personal reasons that Kuchma gave the authorization to deploy troops, and then ordered his parliamentary supporters to back the move. Kuchma's reputation sank to very low levels in 2000-2002 because of the Kuchmagate and Kolchuga scandals.
Simply put, the dispatch of Ukrainian troops to Iraq is intended to improve Kuchma's relations with the Bush administration. Kuchma's son-in-law, Viktor Pinchuk, one of Ukraine's wealthiest oligarchs, is attempting to assist in this endeavor by inviting the U.S. president's father to Ukraine. There is no likelihood of President George W. Bush himself meeting Kuchma. In addition to the scandal surrounding Kuchma's authorization of the sale of Kolchuga radars to Iraq in July 2000, there is also his broken promise to U.S. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice that Ukraine would not send weapons to Macedonia during its civil war.
According to the Versii.com site owned by Dnipropetrovsk oligarch Andrei Derkach, the majority of the pro-Kuchma camp - "in their hearts" - favor the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops. Derkach has himself long opposed the deployment. The pro-Kuchma camp continues to support the deployment because of Kuchma's control over them; this control will decrease with the approach of elections.
The pro-Kuchma camp is privately incensed that what was touted as one of the benefits of the deployment - economic contracts - have not in fact materialized. By contrast, Russia, which has no troops in Iraq, has been successful. Two companies - Interenergoservis and Lukoil - have signed contracts.
Kuchma's main political ally - Viktor Medvedchuk, head of the Presidential Administration and the Social Democratic united (SDPU-o) "party of power" - is the main promoter of anti-Americanism in Ukraine. SDPU-o electronic and print media outlets vie with the Communist Party's newspapers in their anti-Americanism. Both parties earnestly believe that the United States exported revolution to Serbia (October 2000) and Georgia (November 2003) and that Ukraine is next in line. Pro-Western political forces, such as Our Ukraine, are denounced by the SDPU-o and Communists as being in the pay of, or under orders from, the United States.
Medvedchuk is the most pro-Russian of Ukraine's leading oligarchs. Earlier this year the U.S.-funded Radio Liberty was denied re-transmission in FM within Ukraine after Medvedchuk's allies took control of the FM station. In April the visit of the philanthropist George Soros to Ukraine was condemned by SDPU-o controlled media instructed to attack him. The SDPU-o was also behind the actions of hired nationalist and skinhead criminal thugs who incited violence in the Crimea and threw mayonnaise at Soros in Kyiv.
The pro-Western opposition Our Ukraine, therefore, remains opposed to the deployment for two reasons. First, because of Kuchma's insincere motivations in sending them.
Secondly, Our Ukraine fears that Kuchma is seeking political favors from the United States in a quid pro quo. The opposition is looking to Azerbaijan, whose president was elected in November 2003 in what the OSCE described as fraudulent elections but the results of which were nonetheless recognized by the United States. How will the United States respond, Yushchenko and Our Ukraine fear, to infringements by the Kuchma camp in the October presidential elections?
When there are few months until Ukraine president
When there are few months until Ukraine president’s elections one of the main candidates from opposition Victor Uschenko felt that the ground is going away under him. Nationalists stand stood him and his rating in bad. Ukraine citizens among whom is a good number of Russians and Jews truly fear Yuschenko coming into power. It will mean prosperity of anti-Semitism and xenophobia because several politics in Yuschenko election headquarters don’t really cover their ultra nationalistic views. Feeling that his rating falls down, Yuschenko and his accomplices try with any methods achieve their aims. There is a plan in Yuschenko’ headquarters how to initiate civil commotions on the background of allegedly falsified elections. There were no elections but opposition has already prepared declaration about their falsification. Of course it is the best method to turn the defeat to victory, if especially Yuschenko will be helped by the USA… But does Ukraine, its neighbors and European partners really need it? Today Ukraine economy is on the rise. The GNP rises, inflation rates reduces, average wages increase. People need stability but opposition wanna shock. We must not give them does it!
Soros is Arriving at Ukraine. Export of Revolutions
// Tatiana Ivanenko // Partaktiv // 24.03.04 // http://partaktiv.info/main/40616795d3daa/
In the article, the author states that G. Soros, in order to carry out successful machinations with national currencies, actively affects the policy of the country by trying to establish necessary-for-him regime in certain countries. The author describes “political machinations” of G. Soros in Yugoslavia (overthrow of S. Miloshevich), Georgia (overthrow of Ye. Shevarnadze). The author states that activities of Soros-related foundations leads to political instability in countries. The author believes that the future visit of Soros to Ukraine is related to the fact that “G. Soros is trying to use revolution-based technologies in Ukraine.”
George Soros Made a Decision to Closely Deal with Ukraine
// Denis Olzhych // Izvestiya -Ukraine // 25.03.04
The main leitmotif of this article is set forth in its very beginning: Ukrainian opposition is often visited by foreign guests (H. Severinsen, M. Albright and finally by G. Soros) which image is morally stained. Therefore, the article is directed at discrediting G. Soros just before his visit to Ukraine. The author points out that billions of Soros were gained by dishonest way that is evidenced by the penalty charged over him by French court for machinations with shares of Societe Generale, Swiss bank. Main scheme of Soros: “destabilization with selfish intents" The author highlights machinations by Soros in the finance market and at political arena.
Finances:
Main strategy – informational attach which will lead to a market panic.
In 1997 — 98, Soros caused the Asian economic crisis. Such crisis affected Ukraine too. The author says that Ukrainians, who lost their money then as a result of rapid inflation, must be “thankful” to Soros for such a result. In1997, Soros caused the crisis in Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and Philippines. Then, the Indonesian President publicly called Soros as a “bandit".
Politics:
At first, Soros focused its activities on exporting “scientific brains” from post-Soviet countries to the USA through the system of “international exchanges” and grants. Due to Soros activities, the USA has acquired scientists who possessed secret and extra-secret technologies: biochemists, physicists, software developers, specialists from aviation and space industries.
The method of capture by Soros of countries is too simple: “to buy up” educated and perspective oppositionists and then assist them in coming to power. In doing so, Soros has captured Serbia and then Georgia. In these countries, he financed illegal military units: "Otpor" (Serbia), "Kmara" (Georgia), as well as UNA-UNSO in Ukraine just before civil disturbances occurred on March 9, 2001.
The author says that results of the Soros activities ares as follows: genocide of Serbs, American protectorate in Kosovo, repressions and threat of new civil war in Georgia. Soros acts under authorization of American authorities, and the criticizing of his activities by Bush administration is an “umbrella” and not more. After all, the State Department and CIA authorize Soros to make the dirtiest operations. The author makes a conclusion that Ukraine will be a new victim of Soros. He has already allocated (through his IRF) 350,000 US dollars in order to create the media holding that must conduct pre-electoral propaganda. Soros tried to interfere with Ukraine’s affairs before, when in 2001 he called L. Kuchma to assign his powers to V. Yuschenko and allocated in total 100,000,000 US dollars “for supporting Ukrainian state” and developing “open society”. At the end of the article, the author calls the Ukrainian authorities to restrict the freedom of moving of Soros, who is considered a foreign agent affecting the state affairs, within Ukrainian territory.
Soros is arriving at Ukraine. Part 2. Export of revolutions
// Tatiana Ivanenko // Partaktiv // 24.03.04 // http://partaktiv.info/main/40616795d3daa/v
In the article, the author states that G. Soros, in order to carry out successful machinations with national currencies, actively affects the policy of the country by trying to establish necessary-for-him regime in certain countries. The author describes “political machinations” of G. Soros in Yugoslavia (overthrow of S. Miloshevich), Georgia (overthrow of Ye. Shevarnadze). The author states that activities of Soros-related foundations leads to political instability in countries. The author believes that the future visit of Soros to Ukraine is related to the fact that “G. Soros is trying to use revolution-based technologies in Ukraine.”
Well, if the reports of Russian military intervention are true, then we have to ask the following?
1. Just who is the military in the Ukraine loyal to? The civil authorities?
2. What is Poland doing? Not just her people, but her government and military, have they sealed the Eastern border, if they do, then it is a sure barometer that they expect trouble.
3. Do we even have any kind of contingency plan for something like this? I am sure we have something, but is it enough and just who in heck are we intervening potentially in support of? (aka, could this result in a direct confrontation with the Russians?) Now I am not doubting GWB, or the people he has around him, but these are some serious questions that need asking.
4. Finally, how nasty can this get? I am sure we can all speculate, but Mr. Head, and others, it's time to step up, because this could either go the Aug. 1991 route, or Bosnia, supersized.
whats the main difference between these two (their names keep confusing me hah!)
I know the guy that supposidly stole the election is supported by Russia and seems to be in favor of "Planned Economies." Is the other guy more open-free market based?? What else.
Just curious.
The pics of all those people together in waht looks peacefull is amazing. People here in America never do such things...Usually because some lib takes it too far.
Reading all these posts, I am somewhat surprised.
Would it change anyone's opinion if they knew the Yuschenko is largely financed and supported by George Soros? That Kuchma was previously Soros' puppet until Kuchma gave Soros the finger? That Soros previously tried to get Kuchma to step down in favor of Yuschenko? That Soros was accused of destablizing and overthrowing the government of Georgia, and is presently being accused by the Latvian government of the same? That what is going on seems eerily reminiscent of Soro's activities in this country, including a candidate claiming victories based on "exist polls," not counted votes?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of the other guy. But before we get too gushy about Yuschenko, maybe we need to do more research about him.
Ping
I just hear about that on INterfax wire Ukraine oppostion leader took the oath I think they might be cival war
EU can handle things
The EU? Riiight
Thanks for the info, never knew that.
It appeares that in this part of the world it's hard to find anyone without a number of skelatons in their closet.
I can't even guess at what is going to happen, not good I
fear, there are 2 other threads, I will ping you.
Thanks for the link.
Isn't this Moscow's endgame, Tap? They can't possibly believe that the world would permit them to simply re-occupy the Ukraine. The Ukrainian people are showing no signs of the docility and resignation it would take to manage a puppet government. Therefore, their best option would be a negotiated "velvet revolution" splitting the country into East and West.
Frightening thing is that both the Gov't and the Opposition might go for this, which would bolster your suggestion that Moscow is stage-managing this entire spectacle.
Wretchard doing a nice job of covering this...
http://belmontclub.blogspot.com/
"Therefore, their best option would be a negotiated "velvet revolution" splitting the country into East and West."
Yushchenko is almost certainly a Moscow puppet put there to steer the opposition into a series of compromises designed to trap them in a coalition government favorable to Moscow. If things get out of hand, Russian special forces in combination with pro-Putin Ukranian forces will move in and crush any genuine opposition IMO.
Also might want to check out the following post for a little food for thought:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1287167/posts?page=122#122
I don't necessarily disagree with you--primarily because I don't yet have enough information on the subject. But may I ask what makes you say this? What evidence (if any) is there that Yuschenko is a Moscow plant?
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