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Bill to Help Scouts Introduced [Frist/Republicans Counter-Attack Against ACLU] 2004
Family News ^ | 11/23/2004 | Steve Jordahl

Posted on 11/23/2004 8:35:11 PM PST by Southack

November 23, 2004

Bill to Help Scouts Introduced
by Steve Jordahl, correspondent

Boy Scouts get help in bill that would grant specific protections.

With opposition to the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) on the rise—from groups like the American Civil Liberities Union (ACLU) and, most recently, from a court ruling requiring the Pentagon to cut the group off from meeting on military bases—the group is getting help from Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn.

Frist has introduced the "Save Our Scouts" bill which will offer the beleaguered organization some protection. The bill states that no federal law can be interpreted to limit federal agencies from providing any form of support to the Boy Scouts.

Frist, a former Scout himself, said the ACLU's attack on the organization is indefensible and he is tired of seeing the organization being maligned.

"It's almost as if in (the) ACLU's view, where there's government, there cannot be faith," Frist said. "It's wrong, it doesn't make sense and thus I introduced a bill called 'Save Our Scouts.' "

The bill, however, failed to gain unanimous consent over the weekend with opposition coming from the Democratic side of the aisle. He hopes to avoid such partisanship in the next session of Congress.

"It's only common sense to pass this legislation," Frist explained. "The Boy Scouts of America is congressionally chartered. It's supported by (the) federal government in our laws today."

BSA spokesman Bob Bork said they appreciate the support.

"We're obviously heartened by all the outpouring of support by the House of Representatives and by the Senate—Sen. Frist in particular," Bork said. "We would be very happy if this bill were ultimately to become law in the next Congress."

With or without passage, he says the Scouts are not about to back down because of the attacks.

"We're never tired for standing up for traditional principles," Bork explained. "Family values, that's what we're about. We will never give in."

The ACLU refused to comment for this story.

Sen. Frist is asking concerned Americans to call their senators and urge passage of the "Save Our Scouts" legislation when the Senate reconvenes. For help in contacting your senators, please see the CitizenLink Action Center.

TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aclu; boyscouts; bsa; bsalist; frist; homosexualagenda; morality; republicans; s3026; scouts
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To: Southack

The Democrats are sick. Just sick.

41 posted on 11/24/2004 6:36:11 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie.)
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42 posted on 11/24/2004 10:16:14 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: gatex

Apparently, when Congress contemplated the fee-shifting bill three decades ago, it never conceived that 42 U.S.C. §1988 would be used to secure fees in esoteric battles over the meaning of the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

The statute gives a court "discretion" to award attorneys' fees to the prevailing party in civil rights cases.

Study of the legislative history of the statute reveals that Congress intended this statute to apply to civil rights abuses, including certain race and sex discrimination cases, but not to arguments about whether Judge Roy Moore is allowed to display the Ten Commandments in the Alabama courthouse.

During the deliberations on the bill, the Senate penned that "in many cases arising under our civil rights laws, the citizen who must sue to enforce the law has little or no money with which to hire a lawyer."[6] In the recent First Amendment lawsuits filed by the ACLU, the tables are turned. Small school districts and municipalities can either defend lawsuits and risk paying the ACLU's attorneys' fees if they lose, or they can voluntarily submit to the ACLU's view of the Constitution.

Even if lawsuits over the establishment clause somehow fall within 42 U.S.C. §1988, the statute empowers courts with nothing more than "discretion" to award fees.

In these cases, one would expect courts to withhold awarding fees. Since this is not happening, Congress must take immediate action to clarify 42 U.S.C. §1988 to explicitly exclude lawsuits related to the acknowledgement of God.

43 posted on 11/25/2004 5:10:24 AM PST by Liz
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To: Noumenon

Does it involve lining them up and sending them one by one through the gautlet where they will be struck senseless by one thousand feather duster bearing democrats. Somehow I didn't think so, as the Christmas song says, "making a list, and checking it twice". It is pretty obvious who is naughty, and who is nice.

Question: do the words civil liberies, appear anywhere in the Constitution of the United States of America?

Question: do lawyers for the aclu take an oath to do their duty to God and their country?

Question: Is the aclu a money making proposition at taxpayer expense?

Question: What is the relationship between sharks, pond scum, and the aclu?

44 posted on 11/25/2004 7:20:37 AM PST by wita
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To: Liz
"During the deliberations on the bill, the Senate penned that "in many cases arising under our civil rights laws, the citizen who must sue to enforce the law has little or no money with which to hire a lawyer."[6]..."

Thanks for the info. Someone on TV (Fox, I think ) said the ACLU has an annual budget of $40 million. This should keep them from being considered "with little or no money." Seems like they need some attention.

45 posted on 11/25/2004 8:16:51 AM PST by gatex
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To: 4woodenboats

What about 'gay' aka sodomite scout masters?

46 posted on 11/25/2004 1:44:06 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Heed Rush's warning: watch out for exploding cell phones.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
"What about 'gay' aka sodomite scout masters?"

At this time, there are no Boy Sodomizing Scout Masters, at least none that are open about it. Should the ACLU's minions of Anti Christ Pro Homo attorneys succeed, it'll mean the end of the Boy Scouts. If none other than token efforts are utilized to keep them at bay, it'll mean the eventual end of the Boy Scouts, or at least never ending harrasment. It's all about gay activism. Gay marriage, Gay TV programs, Gay indoctrinazation programs in our elementary, middle & high schools, and the Universities....

Follow the facts and at every event you'll run straight into gay attorneys - and judges - making it all possible.

47 posted on 11/25/2004 2:33:43 PM PST by 4woodenboats (Let the Mandate Begin!)
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To: Noumenon
The ACLU - America's domestic enemies

Are you referring, by chance, to the Atheist Communist Lesbian Union?

48 posted on 11/25/2004 5:42:23 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Liz
The Antiquities Act authorizes the President to designate landmarks and structures as national monuments. President Bush must make the Mount Soledad cross a national monument.

What if the President designated it a national historic landmark instead? Would it be protected then?

If a court ordered it taken down anyway, then the logical next step would be to condemn the Old North Church in Boston, e.g., and order the land put up for auction.

Ditto the National Cathedral in Washington, where President Bush gave his great address after the 9/11 attacks.

49 posted on 11/25/2004 5:46:24 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: newzjunkey
In the spirit of Thanksgiving, I won't tell you what I think of your post.

Happy holidays, junkie.

50 posted on 11/25/2004 5:48:03 PM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
What about 'gay' aka sodomite scout masters?

That's exactly what this is all about.

Next up: Court orders to parents to stand aside, when pederasts start trying to hit on, entice, and entrap their sons.

After all, homosexuals must be allowed to replenish their ranks, just like "breeders"......okay, not "just like", but you know, "whatever works". Hey, hey, it's the Liberal Way.

Git chyer Mahnd Raht, Luke!

51 posted on 11/25/2004 5:54:57 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: airborne; talleyman; newzjunkey
The Boy Scouts have given us a couple of pretty good presidents -- I wouldn't let them fight the ACLU and the Gay Lobby all by themselves. I don't like it when powerful, mean-spirited lobbies try to rough up an American icon like the Scouts, just because they won't let gay pederasts home in on the boys.

They'll never have the problem the GSUSA, with leadership cadres that in some communities are loading up with lesbians.

I recently was involved in a community activity near my home in which a number of Girl Scouts showed up. They didn't have on the usual GSUSA outfits (these were girls in their mid-teens), and so I asked their lead Scouter what part of GSUSA they represented, and she replied that they weren't GSUSA but BSA -- they were Venture Scouts (formerly Explorer Scouts) and that all-girl troops had been chartering in Venture Scouts for several years now. Imagine my surprise, and imagine my good guess at why girls are migrating from GSUSA programs over to Venture Scouts, as the Scouter told me they were. I asked her why, and she told me a couple of generalisms about "better programs".

Uyup, I bet.

52 posted on 11/25/2004 7:24:57 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I know all about the Venture program. Not only is it an excellent alternative to Girl Scouting, but it keeps the older Boy Scouts interested in the BSA program of earning merit badges and working towards Eagle Scout rank.

53 posted on 11/25/2004 7:33:13 PM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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To: little jeremiah; MeekOneGOP
Fight for the scouts!

This one almose got away.(everyone busy for the holiday)

55 posted on 11/26/2004 12:46:06 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (Perversion is not a civil right.)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K; GatorPaul; Grampa Dave

56 posted on 11/26/2004 6:14:10 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Southack

Messages sent to both Seantors. Mark (I'm gettin out of town) Dayton will ignore it, Norm Coleman will support it.

My Blue-state, la-la-land, leftist representative, MS. Betty (no communist policy I won't support) McCollum doesn't even have e-mail.

57 posted on 11/26/2004 9:31:48 AM PST by Aeronaut (This is no ordinary time. And George W. Bush is no ordinary leader." --George Pataki)
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To: Southack
Thanks for this info, I'll be passing it on.

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
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58 posted on 11/26/2004 8:30:26 PM PST by Agitate ("You will know the truth, and the truth will make you mad.")
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To: Southack


59 posted on 11/27/2004 3:49:21 PM PST by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: Southack

BUMP for choosing the RIGHT battles.

60 posted on 11/28/2004 12:29:04 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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