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Marines in Falluja Find Rebel Leader's Arsenal, in a Mosque [massive supply dwarves 100s others]
New York Times ^ | Nov 24, 2004 | ROBERT F. WORTH

Posted on 11/24/2004 3:16:34 PM PST by Mike Fieschko

FALLUJA, Iraq, Nov. 24 - United States marines and Iraqi soldiers today discovered the empty home of Abdullah Janabi, the insurgent leader of this city's mujahedeen council, and his bomb-laden mosque, where they found a massive supply of weapons that dwarfed any of the hundreds of caches yet found, military officials said.

American commanders say they do not believe Mr. Janabi has been in the city for some time, though The Washington Post published an interview with him last week in which he was quoted saying he was still in the city along with other insurgent fighters.

As they comb through the city's houses, search teams of American and Iraqi soldiers have discovered much larger supplies of weapons than they expected, and the need to detonate them safely could delay initial reconstruction efforts under way here, officials said. Explosions can be heard throughout the day as munitions teams detonate the weapons in a quarry north of the city, but some are too dangerous and must be blown up in place.

"We knew there would be ordnance," said Lt. General Richard Natonski, the Marine commander who planned the American strike here, "but what we found exceeded our wildest expectations."

General Natonski took a tour of the Janabi mosque several hours after it was discovered this morning by a company of marines from the Third Battalion, Fifth Regiment. The mosque, in a residential area just north of the main east-west artery known as Highway 10, included at least a dozen brick outbuildings packed with bombs, guns, rocket-propelled grenades, and ammunition. The diversity of the weapons surprised the officers here: in the street outside, a ship mine stood in a puddle.

Just inside the mosque compound was an aluminum shed full of mortars and TNT. Like many weapons depots in Falluja, it had been wired to explode, and had to be carefully dismantled by an American explosives team. Inside the compound was a document explaining how to destroy tanks using rocket-propelled grenades. General Natonski picked up a white pilot's helmet among the mortars and gazed wonderingly at it.

"Did you find any Darth Vader helmets?" he asked the marine captain next to him.

In the mosque caretaker's hut, there were boxes of mortars and bullets, and signs of a life hastily abandoned. A refrigerator stood in the corner, its door open, with eggs and bottles of water visible.

On the top floor of the mosque were nine artillery shells, mixed in with boxes of tile. In the back of the compound was an ice cream truck, its sides colorfully decorated with orange, red and blue popsicles. Inside it was packed with rocket-propelled grenades and bomb-making materials.

"This was probably a traveling I.E.D. factory," General Natonski said, using the military term for improvised explosive devices, or homemade bombs.

Mr. Janabi's house, a few blocks away, contained no weapons and was oddly peaceful. Behind the metal gate was a tiled courtyard. Inside, a marble-floored hallway led to a living room with modest brown couches.

On a table were stacks of documents, including passports (the only country he had traveled to recently was Syria, a translator who read the document said) and other identification papers for Mr. Janabi and members of his family. There were letters, including one dated Oct. 20 from the clerical council of Baghdad asking him to negotiate the surrender of Falluja. In a box, there was a Bronze Star, an American military decoration awarded for valor - in all likelihood, the general said, stolen from a convoy.

There was also Mr. Janabi's personal name stamp, used for letters, and a white hat signifying that he had made the pilgrimage to Mecca that is expected of devout Muslims at least once in a lifetime, if they can afford it.

Also found in the house were files showing the names of people who had been tortured and executed for cooperating with the Americans and their allies, military officials said.

There were also more than 500 letters from the families of insurgents who had been killed or wounded, asking for compensation from Mr. Janabi, said a military translator on the scene. They included the families of fighters from Lebanon, Jordan, Yemen, Syria, Algeria, and about 100 native Fallujans.

Elsewhere, aside from the debris scattered by investigators sifting through Mr. Janabi's possessions, the house was relatively clean and orderly. Upstairs were two red-and-blue tricycles, and a children's primer for learning English. A fridge stood open in the kitchen, with a plate of rice visible inside, three yogurt containers, a half-rotten apricot.

After touring the house, the general sat down to chat briefly in the living room with a dozen officers and marines, including Capt. Drew McNulty, whose men had discovered the house that morning. A detonation shook the windows.

"If you were a glass merchant in this city - ," he said. The men laughed, and there was a pause. General Natonski looked up and smiled. "Who would have thought three or four weeks ago we'd be sitting in Janabi's living room?" he said.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: deathcult; falluja; fallujah; iraq; islamismurder; killing; mayhem; mediawingofthednc; muslims; napalminthemorning; rathergate; religionofdeath; religionofhate; religionofpeace; terrorism; wot
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1 posted on 11/24/2004 3:16:35 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko

A relatively positive article from the Times? It must be the holidays. Good post.


2 posted on 11/24/2004 3:24:21 PM PST by shadowfighter
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To: Mike Fieschko
Sounds like they were surprised. Maybe we should surprise a few more terrorists, and raid a few more "holy sites".

It also sounds like we are finally fighting a war instead of being "sensitive".

3 posted on 11/24/2004 3:24:34 PM PST by pfflier
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To: Mike Fieschko

I suggest that Mr. Janabi's house would make a great spot for destroying that captured ordnance. After all, he isn't using it.


4 posted on 11/24/2004 3:26:09 PM PST by LexBaird ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats" --Jubal Harshaw (RA Heinlein))
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To: Mike Fieschko
Also found in the house were files showing the names of people who had been tortured and executed for cooperating with the Americans and their allies, military officials said.

Hey, if nobody put panties on their heads, then there's nothing to see here!

5 posted on 11/24/2004 3:26:10 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: Mike Fieschko
Many pix of weaponry found in various mosques in Fallujah at this link:

http://tinyurl.com/5drho to image file.
6 posted on 11/24/2004 3:27:19 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: LexBaird
I suggest that Mr. Janabi's house would make a great spot for destroying that captured ordnance. After all, he isn't using it.

Great idea! Only, let's wait until he comes home.

7 posted on 11/24/2004 3:27:32 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: Mike Fieschko
in the street outside, a ship mine stood in a puddle.

Okay. That's just odd.

Good read.

8 posted on 11/24/2004 3:27:59 PM PST by Antonello
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To: Mike Fieschko

http://www.sftt.org/PPT/article11222004a.ppt

Powerpoint presentation on caches located ...good info.


9 posted on 11/24/2004 3:28:42 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Mike Fieschko

"dwarves"?


10 posted on 11/24/2004 3:29:09 PM PST by xone
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To: Mike Fieschko

Detonate all ammo dumps in place.


11 posted on 11/24/2004 3:29:57 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Patriotism is patriotic.)
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To: Antonello

The Iraqi government needs to get it out - loud and clear - that the insurgents are routinely using mosques as weapons sites and sniper areas. If the Iraqi people know who it is that's really desecrating the mosques, maybe it will help turn public opinion against the insurgents. On the other hand, maybe the Iraqis will choose to remain in denial about this.


12 posted on 11/24/2004 3:30:45 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Mike Fieschko

Wow amazing. Lots of weapons and lots of intelligence.
The biggest thing of all is breaking the logistical train between Syria and the rest of Iraq, however...


13 posted on 11/24/2004 3:31:08 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: shadowfighter

An awesome event for giving thanks this Holiday.
Artillery that will not be used against our boys.


14 posted on 11/24/2004 3:31:50 PM PST by Grendel9
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boom, er, bump...


15 posted on 11/24/2004 3:32:21 PM PST by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: shadowfighter
A relatively positive article from the Times?

Yeah, that was one of my first reactions, also. I wonder if anyone's been keeping a list of the correspndent's, and ranking them by how they cover the stories. I haven't been keeping one.
16 posted on 11/24/2004 3:32:32 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mount Athos
The biggest thing of all is breaking the logistical train between Syria and the rest of Iraq, however...

Boy, truer words were never spoken.
17 posted on 11/24/2004 3:33:27 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko

On the top floor of the mosque were nine artillery shells, mixed in with boxes of tile. In the back of the compound was an ice cream truck, its sides colorfully decorated with orange, red and blue popsicles. Inside it was packed with rocket-propelled grenades and bomb-making materials.

"This was probably a traveling I.E.D. factory," General Natonski said, using the military term for improvised explosive devices, or homemade bombs.

The bizzare, absurdity of war

Also found in the house were files showing the names of people who had been tortured and executed for cooperating with the Americans and their allies, military officials said.

There were also more than 500 letters from the families of insurgents who had been killed or wounded, asking for compensation from Mr. Janabi, said a military translator on the scene. They included the families of fighters from Lebanon, Jordan, Yemen, Syria, Algeria, and about 100 native Fallujans.

Not to mention the horror. Things must have been pretty well institutionalized if the families of the dead foreign jihadis knew where to send letters to ask for compensation.

Upstairs were two red-and-blue tricycles, and a children's primer for learning English. A fridge stood open in the kitchen, with a plate of rice visible inside, three yogurt containers, a half-rotten apricot.

After touring the house, the general sat down to chat briefly in the living room with a dozen officers and marines, including Capt. Drew McNulty, whose men had discovered the house that morning. A detonation shook the windows.

"If you were a glass merchant in this city - ," he said. The men laughed, and there was a pause. General Natonski looked up and smiled. "Who would have thought three or four weeks ago we'd be sitting in Janabi's living room?" he said.

Again, the absurdity, the unexpected wacky humor.

18 posted on 11/24/2004 3:33:34 PM PST by sinanju
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To: Mike Fieschko

Use those explosives to level the mosque.


19 posted on 11/24/2004 3:43:00 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: shadowfighter
A relatively positive article from the Times? It must be the holidays. Good post.

could we be seeing a sea-change of a bit?

They lost their campaign to defeat "OUR MAN" - they got a wake up call re: where the majority 'lives' - they want the ratings, ergo, be a bit more honest in reporting?

Not for a minute do I believe their minds or hearts have changed, they just don't want to go the way of Blather

20 posted on 11/24/2004 3:46:20 PM PST by maine-iac7 ( Pray without doubt..."Ask and you SHALL receive")
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To: Antonello

"in the street outside, a ship mine stood in a puddle."

Okay. That's just odd.

Good read

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Call me insane, but I think I can guess where that ship mine came from. When I was still in the Nav I recall reading about the provenance of the mines that the Iraqis were sowing in the Straits of Hormuz during the "tanker wars" (1986-1988). Its alternatingly fascinating and ridiculous. The mines were of the simple contact variety (aka: the knobby, cable-anchored cartoon image) manufactured for the Russo-Japanese War of 1904. They passed through numerous hands over the decades. They sat in the armories of Kim Il Sung for a long time and were finally sold off as a job lot to Saddam in the eighties. The fact that these museum pieces still worked and could still wreak such havoc created a great deal of consternation and institutional soul-searching in the U.S. Navy at the time. Particularly the fact that Mr. Lehman's "500 Ship Navy" had given such short shrift to such unglamorous vessels as minesweepers.


21 posted on 11/24/2004 3:47:06 PM PST by sinanju
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To: Mike Fieschko
In the back of the compound was an ice cream truck, its sides colorfully decorated with orange, red and blue popsicles. Inside it was packed with rocket-propelled grenades and bomb-making materials.

That's a fairly normal load-out for certain sections of New York.

22 posted on 11/24/2004 3:48:00 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Mike Fieschko
the only country he had traveled to recently was Syria

How about that.

23 posted on 11/24/2004 3:48:17 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: pfflier
It also sounds like we are finally fighting a war instead of being "sensitive

Maybe since Alawii gave us permission to go after the mosques, with his edict that if the rebels used them for weapons depots, they were no longer off limits - which would have been bedlam before - we can mop them up...

combined with the press maybe getting the message that we are not going to allow another debacle like the 1970's driven press-kerry-VAVW - they'd better play it a bit straighter...or we'll reduce them to non-relevency - and they go join Gore/Kerry/Clinton/Rather sipping cool-aide juleps.

24 posted on 11/24/2004 3:52:50 PM PST by maine-iac7 ( Pray without doubt..."Ask and you SHALL receive")
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To: ganeshpuri89; Cap Huff; Grampa Dave; Coop; Boot Hill

al-Janabi bump..


25 posted on 11/24/2004 3:58:32 PM PST by Dog
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To: xone

[singing] Hi-ho, hi-ho...


26 posted on 11/24/2004 4:03:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Billthedrill

The terrorists had to use it for bomb assembly rather than suicide bombing, because it can't be driven over three miles an hour.


27 posted on 11/24/2004 4:06:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Squantos

Thanks for posting that Powerpoint. Stuff you'd never see on the Evening News.


28 posted on 11/24/2004 4:06:27 PM PST by csvset
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To: maine-iac7
Their manic episode subsided with Kerry's defeat. They're now in a depressive cycle. Heck they probably don't view this article as good news.
29 posted on 11/24/2004 4:13:57 PM PST by gbaker
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To: Happy2BMe; Squantos

ping to the I.E.D. station and ammo dump.


30 posted on 11/24/2004 4:18:08 PM PST by B4Ranch ((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!))
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To: Mike Fieschko

Related article

"West said U.S. forces turned up a "cook book" with instructions on using mercury nitrate and silver nitrate and descriptions of nerve agents. He didn't elaborate."

http://www.nj.com/newsflash/international/index.ssf?/base/international-19/1101326968242180.xml&storylist=international


31 posted on 11/24/2004 4:18:39 PM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: sinanju
"If you were a glass merchant in this city - ," he said. The men laughed, and there was a pause. General Natonski looked up and smiled. "Who would have thought three or four weeks ago we'd be sitting in Janabi's living room?" he said."

Great insight into the state of mind of the leadership.

32 posted on 11/24/2004 4:19:10 PM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: gbaker
Their manic episode subsided with Kerry's defeat. They're now in a depressive cycle. Heck they probably don't view this article as good news.

wouldn't it be fun - for a second or two - to be a fly on the wall at their storyboard meetings while they try to decide what stories to run and with what slant - they know it can't be the way they want anymore...but they don't want to do it straight -

what to do what to do what

33 posted on 11/24/2004 4:20:01 PM PST by maine-iac7 ( Pray without doubt..."Ask and you SHALL receive")
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To: xone

Only meanies say things like that.


34 posted on 11/24/2004 4:21:25 PM PST by B4Ranch ((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!))
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To: Thud

That list in and of itself is a great intelligence haul because it tells us which families to squeeze for more leads.


35 posted on 11/24/2004 4:24:40 PM PST by Dark Wing
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To: Mike Fieschko
Also found in the house were files showing the names of people who had been tortured and executed for cooperating with the Americans and their allies, military officials said.

There were also more than 500 letters from the families of insurgents who had been killed or wounded, asking for compensation from Mr. Janabi, said a military translator on the scene. They included the families of fighters from Lebanon, Jordan, Yemen, Syria, Algeria, and about 100 native Fallujans.

These families should be visited wherever they be and "pacified".

36 posted on 11/24/2004 4:31:17 PM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Steve_Seattle

I'd love to see the Iraqi gov't do this, but sadly I don't think it would matter. The Iraqi people listen to the clerics, and that, for the most part, spells disaster for the coalition.


37 posted on 11/24/2004 4:32:22 PM PST by FairfaxVA (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0. Zero rows returned!)
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To: Mike Fieschko

(There were also more than 500 letters from the families of insurgents who had been killed or wounded, asking for compensation from Mr. Janabi, said a military translator on the scene. They included the families of fighters from Lebanon, Jordan, Yemen, Syria, Algeria, and about "100 native Fallujans.")

Perhaps a few Israeli type bulldozings by the US military might get the message across to the families and future murderers.


38 posted on 11/24/2004 4:35:51 PM PST by rector seal
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I could not agree more. If they use mosques as command and control centers, then they are fair game. I can't believe how pathetic these dirtbags are...or how PC we have become, sometimes; specificaly, that we would consider not attacking a mosque because we are afraid to upset more muslims. Sheesh, I'm pretty sure that we can't possibly upset them more. I think we are at a crossroads in this war, and going "full tilt boogie" against these killers is the only option. God bless the US!


39 posted on 11/24/2004 4:37:57 PM PST by FairfaxVA (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0. Zero rows returned!)
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To: Mike Fieschko
Did the NYTimes screw up and actually hire an "Objective Journalist"TM???
40 posted on 11/24/2004 4:41:06 PM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: maine-iac7
I agree, and am glad that we have 'permission' to go after the mosques, but I hate the way we put our hero's in harms way to avoid potentially negative press from the muslims. I realize that this is a delicate situation, but frankly I am tired of the US playing by rules that no one else bothers to follow.
41 posted on 11/24/2004 4:41:46 PM PST by FairfaxVA (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0. Zero rows returned!)
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To: Dog; Travis McGee; Squantos; Ernest_at_the_Beach; PhilDragoo
"Also found in the house were files showing the names of people who had been tortured and executed for cooperating with the Americans and their allies, military officials said."

Sounds like good war crime evidence for the new Iraqi government to use to weed out trouble makers.

"There were also more than 500 letters from the families of insurgents who had been killed or wounded, asking for compensation from Mr. Janabi, said a military translator on the scene. They included the families of fighters from Lebanon, Jordan, Yemen, Syria, Algeria, and about 100 native Fallujans.

Travis, your prediction of over a year ago about the maggots rushing to the light to burn out is proven to be true everyday.

42 posted on 11/24/2004 4:42:28 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Writers of hate GW/Christians/ Republicans = GIM members, GAY INFECTED MEDIA!)
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To: Antonello

"a ship mine stood in a puddle"

Put it over in that puddle Ahmed. It only works in water.


43 posted on 11/24/2004 4:42:34 PM PST by geopyg (Peace..................through decisive and ultimate VICTORY. (Democracy, whiskey, sexy))
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To: spodefly

"Did the NYTimes screw up and actually hire an "Objective Journalist"TM???"

I got a ping to this thread, and I didn't notice that it was a NY Slimes article until I saw your reply.

Did Hell Freeze over in NY City at the Slimes?


44 posted on 11/24/2004 4:43:52 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Writers of hate GW/Christians/ Republicans = GIM members, GAY INFECTED MEDIA!)
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To: Grampa Dave

"There were also more than 500 letters ...asking for compensation"

Perhaps we can get this guy's email, Freep him, and cause him financial ruin.


45 posted on 11/24/2004 4:44:27 PM PST by geopyg (Peace..................through decisive and ultimate VICTORY. (Democracy, whiskey, sexy))
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To: maine-iac7
Maybe since Alawii gave us permission to go after the mosques, with his edict that if the rebels used them for weapons depots, they were no longer off limits

If I recall correctly all the mosques we have cleaned out in Falluja have been full of weapons.

Our press (and Al Jazeera) still gets its collective panties in a bunch whenever we hit a mosque. It almost seems that they saturate the reporting of such events. I guess they're hoping that this will infuriate the masses and will cause more Americans to die. After all, they have a long way to go to get to the 50,000 they predicted would die in urban fighting before the war started.

46 posted on 11/24/2004 4:44:52 PM PST by pfflier
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To: xone

Yeah, there are little people running around those weapons.

Great job of editorial worksmanship...


47 posted on 11/24/2004 4:45:13 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: xone
"dwarves"?

used as a transitive verb: to cause to appear small by comparison.
48 posted on 11/24/2004 4:48:56 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Squantos; WestCoastGal

Thanks

hydrant marking for use on RR hookup


49 posted on 11/24/2004 4:53:07 PM PST by ChefKeith (Life is GREAT with CoCo..........NASCAR...everything else is just a game!(Except War & Love))
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To: ChefKeith

Still freepin in yer waders....?


50 posted on 11/24/2004 4:54:57 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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