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In Oklahoma, a Ban On Guns Pits State Against Big Firms (Weyerhaeuser Fired Workers w guns in Cars)
WSJ ^ | Nov. 26, 2004 | SUSAN WARREN

Posted on 11/26/2004 10:56:51 PM PST by FairOpinion

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To: pepsionice
The truth is that we don't need weapons in the workplace...and we all know this

I guess what you are saying is...the guy with the 4th degree black-belt can't get a job...eh?

Or maybe you are saying that they should take away the baseball bats from MLB?

Just extrapolating here...........

41 posted on 11/27/2004 5:15:52 AM PST by Osage Orange (Hillary's heart is as black as the devil's riding boots.................)
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To: Desron13
Resources are something you use up and discard

If you think how this happened at Weyerhauser, my guess is some spineless wussie went to the HR dept and said that they have a virtual militia out in the parking lot. The dogooders then would gather for a strategy meeting, take the strategy to the corporate legal (aka John Edwards dept) dept, who in all their wisdom debate back and forth as to what they should do. Lets see, if we tell HR to leave the gun owners alone, and someone gets shot, then we look bad. If we tell them to remove the guns, then we as legal have taken the noble road. Then, when HR gets the opinion back, the dogooders realize, hey, this is also an opportunity to "terminate" the NRA members and rightwing Bush supporters. A double win here for the liberal agenda. That's why these employees were not given any warning. This is really a resource purge if you will.

42 posted on 11/27/2004 5:18:05 AM PST by doosee (Beware the eye in the sky, looking at you,it can read your mind.)
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To: doosee
The real irony here is that if one of their employees really does go postal, they've just fired all the people that are likely to save their sorry butts from extermination. This is the beauty of liberalism. It's self correcting in the long run.
43 posted on 11/27/2004 5:24:33 AM PST by Desron13
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To: FairOpinion

I back the free market, no question. What I do NOT back is illegal restraint of trade or the company trying to manage workers' private property such as cars or what's in them. Weyerheuser and Corporate America don't understand how people feel about carrying guns in Red State America. Screw 'em.


44 posted on 11/27/2004 5:26:50 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Wormwood

A company has the right to make policy about THEIR property. Not MINE. If they don't me to carry a gun in my car, they ought to say so. On the other hand, leaving me defenseles opens them to liability in case some nut goes "postal" in the workplace. There's two sides to be considered here.


45 posted on 11/27/2004 5:28:55 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: pepsionice

I guess the fired worker would never think of going home, getting a gun and shooting everyone. Which is what most of them do.


46 posted on 11/27/2004 5:37:34 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: FairOpinion

I have to relate this anecdote someplace.

A lady I work with is a real knee-jerk, unreasoning anti-gun nut. ...even though her husband is a special agent with a government agency and frequently is issued automatic weapons and side arms on the job.

When she heard about the hunter shooting incident in Wisconsin, she automatically said that the weapon used(as reported), an "SKS 7.62 mm semi-automatic rifle", was way more weapon than any hunter needed.

I pointed out that it was simply a .30-caliber deer rifle, but she was just fixated on the long description of the rifle in the media, and is still convinced that the guy had a machine gun.

Anyway, her husband was promoted recently, and has been moved to the HQ of the security section of the Agency he works for. He (and she, to her dismay) has been told that part of his duties is to carry a concealed weapon at all times, at work as well as at home and on vacation.

It is to laugh, that a knee-jerk, ignorant, anti-gun nut has weapons around all the time, now.


47 posted on 11/27/2004 5:38:05 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: Desron13

I'm sure the employee handbook said that firearms aren't allowed on company property, and that would also include in vehicles on company property.

Also, corporations being as thorough as they tend to be, and HR being as black and white as it tends to be, I'm sure there is a sign (or two, or three...) that states that the employee and their vehicles are open to inspection while on company property.

Any idiot who doesn't have or can't keep positive control of their firearm(s) shouldn't be allowed to own one.


48 posted on 11/27/2004 5:42:11 AM PST by imfleck
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To: FairOpinion

"In late summer of 2002, Steve Bastible put three bullets into a dying cow at his ranch, threw the emptied rifle behind the seat of his pickup and forgot about it."

This retard forgot about where he keeps his firearms?


49 posted on 11/27/2004 5:43:46 AM PST by imfleck
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To: FairOpinion

This can best be described as Bluzone pollution. Bluzone culture being carried with the corporations to the productive areas of the countries.

I blame TA female advocy attorneys.


50 posted on 11/27/2004 5:46:04 AM PST by bert (Don't Panic.....)
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To: jimtorr

Clearly, the 308 is the Superior 'killing round'. Unfortunately it's not available in most semi-auto weapons. There are many scope mounted bolt action riffles calibered for this round. It would seem that most hunters are better equipped for long range combat than our military. go figure.


51 posted on 11/27/2004 5:49:45 AM PST by Desron13
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
If you are willing to kill someone over your job, company rules are not likely to stop you. Some common sense needs to apply at some point.
52 posted on 11/27/2004 5:52:28 AM PST by Desron13
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To: pepsionice

There are too many nuts out there who would go off the deep end if they were given the pink slip at 3pm...and walk out to the car to get their gun to fix a little problem at the office.

I see that did not happen in this case, or with the eleven others that were fired.


53 posted on 11/27/2004 5:53:22 AM PST by chainsaw ( ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - H. Clinton))
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To: FairOpinion

A law requiring a business to allow firearms on that business's private property is no different than a law that prohibits smoking in bars and restaurants.


54 posted on 11/27/2004 5:57:53 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: imfleck
By "Positive Control", do you mean left at home locked in a gun safe and unloaded where they can do you no good what so ever if you actually need them. You have already implied and rightly so that an employer has every right to restrict you from carrying guns in their building. Keeping a person from storing a gun in their car is not part of that purview. The border between my employer and myself stops at the door to my car. ie my personal property.
55 posted on 11/27/2004 6:00:09 AM PST by Desron13
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To: Libertarianize the GOP

What if employees are seeking to from a union and fear company thugs, national guardmens or policemen will be sent to beat or kill them in the parking lot? Shouldn't those employees be able to defend themselves?


56 posted on 11/27/2004 6:18:55 AM PST by em2vn
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To: imfleck

I'm sure he knew exactly where the rifle was. It's very common to have a rifle behind the seat of a pick-up if you do farm or ranch work. They are a tool and nothing more in such a circumstance.


57 posted on 11/27/2004 6:23:24 AM PST by em2vn
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To: FairOpinion
If I am carrying at a friend's house and his wife is uncomfortable, he has the right to tell me to either leave or put the gun back in my truck.
He also has the right to tell me to move my gun carrying truck out of his driveway and into the public street.

This is his property. He can do with it as he wishes.
I see no difference between this and what Weyerhaeuser did.

58 posted on 11/27/2004 6:28:13 AM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: TexasCowboy

Fine, I would stop associating with such a person. I would consider him too stupid to survive. There is a difference between a public enterprise and a private individual.


59 posted on 11/27/2004 6:37:52 AM PST by Desron13
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To: JustAnotherOkie
I think companies need to back of this God complex they have.

More like lawyer inspired regulation; without the rule they will be held liable if someone goes off the deep end.

60 posted on 11/27/2004 6:45:43 AM PST by JimRed (Investigate, overturn and prosecute vote fraud; turn more counties red!)
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