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WI Poll: Should police in Wisconsin be able to ticket just for seatbelt violations?
WEAU TV 13 ^ | 11/30/2004 | WEAU TV 13

Posted on 11/30/2004 5:20:33 PM PST by quietolong

Should police in Wisconsin be able to ticket just for seatbelt violations?

NO
yes

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Wisconsin; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: nannygoverment; nannystate; seatbeltlaw; unconstitutionallaw
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To: yooper
Driving is a privilege anyway, we are both wrong, but we can continue this conversation
61 posted on 11/30/2004 8:32:09 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (See and decide for yourself)
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To: Old Lady
"Whatever. Seatbelts keep you from going through the windshield if you are hit from behind. Good enough reason to wear one."

Uh, if you are hit from behind, the laws of physics would propel you backwards, at least until something hit you from the front.

62 posted on 11/30/2004 8:35:25 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
"All I know is that when you smash your head through the windshield and EMT rushes you to a hospital where you lie in a coma for a year and a half that my dollar."

I was going to question you on when was the last time you had gone through a windshield and wound up in a coma, but then I re-read your above quote. That sentence has all the earmarks of someone who has been rushed you to a hospital where you lie in a coma for a year and a half that my dollar.

You're argument is flying about as well as your grammer and spell-checking.

63 posted on 11/30/2004 8:42:42 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: yooper

While I think that mandatory seat-belt laws are a true sign of government intrusion into matters they have no business being in, the simple fact of the matter is that Lauralee is correct...do something stupid like ride without a seatbelt or no helmet on a deathcycle, and either the government or the hospital is going to pick up the tab for the cost of your helathcare IF you do not have insurance to cover costs.

The problem is that AFTER the accident with severe financial implications, the idiot doing all the risk-taking is not held to task for his decisions financially.

I worked shock-trauma for years, and saw it all the time.

So, is the problem that the government requires seat-belt use...or is the problem that they do so only because for whatever insane reason they fund idiots poor decision making to begin with by covering medical costs if they get hurt?

As the government provides funding more of societies needs, they are necessarily going to become more intrusive to protect their financial interests.


64 posted on 11/30/2004 8:52:50 PM PST by Ethrane ("semper consolar")
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To: yooper

While I think that mandatory seat-belt laws are a true sign of government intrusion into matters they have no business being in, the simple fact of the matter is that Lauralee is correct...do something stupid like ride without a seatbelt or no helmet on a deathcycle, and either the government or the hospital is going to pick up the tab for the cost of your helathcare IF you do not have insurance to cover costs.

The problem is that AFTER the accident with severe financial implications, the idiot doing all the risk-taking is not held to task for his decisions financially.

I worked shock-trauma for years, and saw it all the time.

So, is the problem that the government requires seat-belt use...or is the problem that they do so only because for whatever insane reason they fund idiots poor decision making to begin with by covering medical costs if they get hurt?

As the government provides funding more of societies needs, they are necessarily going to become more intrusive to protect their financial interests.


65 posted on 11/30/2004 8:53:13 PM PST by Ethrane ("semper consolar")
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To: LauraleeBraswell
"Try it, thats all I have to say. If you really don't believe me sit in the backseat or the passenger seat without a seatbelt on. When a car makes a turn, you'll move with it. Acceleration, your body moves back. I wouldn't suggest doing it as a driver."

Been there, done that. I agree with you that the passenger or driver makes a move when the vehicle makes a turn. But, it's been my experience that the move is inconsequential if the driver is experienced enough to adjust. Sadly, many American's don't have the experience.

Just so you know where my arguments are coming from: 20 years ago I barrel rolled a Toronado over a small bluff with the vehicle coming to rest on it's roof. The passenger side was crushed down into the front seat, because that's where the impact occurred, but the driver side roof was intact. The passenger side occupants were unharmed due to the fact that they fell into the driver side of the vehicle when it flipped. Had they been wearing their seatbelts, they would have been killed on impact. The Michigan State Police told me so right after they investigated the accident.

66 posted on 11/30/2004 9:04:08 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: cripplecreek
When our seatbelt law in Michigan was enacted they swore up and down that they would never stop someone for a seatbelt violation alone. Today they can do exactly that.

Exact same thing in Indiana. They spent a whole year promising us it would never be a primary offense. And that trucks would always be exempt. Within 3 or 4 years, it was a primary offense. Now they've taken it a step further. They have a zero tolerance policy. No matter what they are doing, they have to nail you if they see you without a belt. And lately they have been referring to truck drivers like they were backwards hicks who are evil for not wearing their seatbelts. Here's my prediction : by the end of governor Mitch's term (and he's Republican, by the way) we will have mandatory seat belts in trucks, smoking banned in bars in Muncie and Indianapolis, and daylight saving time. And probably toll roads to boot.
67 posted on 11/30/2004 9:04:12 PM PST by mysterio
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To: LauraleeBraswell

No Travel & driveing are Rights!


68 posted on 11/30/2004 10:09:07 PM PST by quietolong
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Seatbelts actually make people better drivers. An individual is better able to control his vehicle when he's not swaying and being pushed about his seat with the acceleration, or turning of the Vehicle. Ineritia So there are less accidents

Hey how about a driving without both hands on the wheel violation? Having both hands on the wheel prevents the wheel from slipping from your grasp. It makes you a better driver. And clean hands are even better. Perhaps the government would be well suited to mandate my sleeping hours. You know, tired eyes means fiery head-on collisions into oncoming traffic. Have you noticed how some cars really need to clean the windshield.

I'll be all for this after they take out the cup holders, stereos, and dvd movie players, ban cell phones, and develop a rearview mirror that prevent using it to apply makeup. Then I will go down to the market place and get that number tattooed on my forehead so I may barter...because I will know that all hope for mankind was lost. After that perhaps we can all agree to slow down 20 or 30 MPH on the highways so we can all be safer and enjoy the road together

69 posted on 12/01/2004 3:19:45 AM PST by Once-Ler (iconoclast says "He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Notice how there's no mention of an air force

All that proves is that the airforce and cars are unconstitutional.

70 posted on 12/01/2004 3:27:30 AM PST by Once-Ler (iconoclast says "He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: quietolong

No. I'm tired of arrogant liberal laws designed to "protect us from ourselves".


71 posted on 12/01/2004 9:22:54 AM PST by Santana (Proud aunt of niece serving in Iraq)
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To: quietolong

Result: 66% say no.


72 posted on 12/01/2004 10:22:32 AM PST by spunkets
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To: quietolong

It will be passed; every day the state doesn't have such a law is another day without the fed funding that flows from its passing and implementation. It always comes down to money.


73 posted on 12/01/2004 10:28:09 AM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

They have to pay Medicare and Medicaid too, do they have the right to tell you what you must eat or not eat?


74 posted on 12/01/2004 10:30:22 AM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: michaelbfree

Like flying blind in the rain, do you?


75 posted on 12/01/2004 10:31:33 AM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: Old Lady

If you get hit from behind you go backward first, most car seats give way in a severe incident and don't translate the conserved momentum toward a forward, matching force.


76 posted on 12/01/2004 10:33:05 AM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

If it had been me, I wouldn't have slammed on the brakes.


77 posted on 12/01/2004 10:40:48 AM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: forbushalltheway

You are right technically. I live in an area in Florida (Central) and in one of our towns all the cops do is wait for teenage or younger drivers to pull them over for one thing or another....then they give the ticket for failure to wear seat belts.


78 posted on 12/01/2004 2:00:08 PM PST by Ginifer
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To: mikegi

They are NOT concerned with safety.

They ARE concerned with jacking up the number of citations issued to justify higher annual budgets

If you don't believe that, then ask yourself why a fire engine is sent along with each ambulance call--what? a heart attack? Well, he must be burning up, too.!!!!

It's just typical bureaucratic "gimme more money."


79 posted on 12/02/2004 4:28:47 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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