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Muslims march to protest terrorism
Aftenposten ^ | 3 December 2004

Posted on 12/03/2004 3:03:59 PM PST by kupia_kummi

Muslims in Norway were organizing a torchlit parade through downtown Oslo this weekend, to decry violence and terrorism and distance themselves from Islamic fundamentalism. Top Norwegian political leaders, including the prime minister, were joining in.

March organizers were hoping for a big turnout, and welcomed the participation of non-Muslims as well. The leaders of Norway's major political parties and top government leaders said they would join the march and several were invited to speak during Saturday's event.

The march was to begin at the square in front of Oslo's central train station at 4:30pm, and proceed up Karl Johans Gate to the Parliament. Prime Minister Kjell Magne Bondevik was among those scheduled to speak to the crowd, along with Justice Minister Odd Einar Dørum, Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK) journalist Norman Mubashir and Labour Party leader Jens Stoltenberg.

A key group of local Muslim religious leaders said Friday they were encouraging all Muslims to participate. The more liberal among them already have protested violence, terror and killings in the name of religion.

The march, initiated by NRK's Mubashir, comes largely in response to the recent killing of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh by a Muslim extremist. Van Gogh's murder struck a chord all over Europe, and led to a TV debate in Norway in which the spokesman for Norway's Islamic Council raised doubts about how many Muslims opposed the killing. Another Muslim leader, Awais Mushtaq, later said he understood why an Islamic fundamentalist carried it out.

(Excerpt) Read more at aftenposten.no ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: europeanmuslims; muslims; norway; taqija; terror
I think "some" muslims are starting to get the message.
1 posted on 12/03/2004 3:03:59 PM PST by kupia_kummi
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To: kupia_kummi

This is great. I think a lot of Muslims just need a little leadership so they don't feel disloyal to their religion if they speak up.


2 posted on 12/03/2004 3:05:59 PM PST by Snapple
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To: kupia_kummi

"Muslims in Norway were organizing a torchlit parade through downtown Oslo this weekend, to decry violence and terrorism and distance themselves from Islamic fundamentalism. Top Norwegian political leaders, including the prime minister, were joining in."

I'm not holding my breath. I'll celebrate this when I see a parade of Muslims that's as obvious a spectacle as a Gay Pride Parade in ANY major US city. Until then, sorry, I'm not buying it...


3 posted on 12/03/2004 3:06:05 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: kupia_kummi; rmlew

But what do they really say when they go to their mosques?


4 posted on 12/03/2004 3:09:51 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: kupia_kummi

I'm going to wait and see what happens.

Sorry to say, but it seems most Muslims don't think it's wrong to deceive and lie to non-Muslims/kufr.


5 posted on 12/03/2004 3:18:38 PM PST by vrwcagent0498 (Mark Levin and Ann Coulter are my patron saints.)
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To: Snapple
...they don't feel disloyal to their religion if they speak up.

The problem, though, is that they are being disloyal to their religion.

I don't know how the followers of a religion like Islam can change it for the good when at its core, it fosters hatred and abuse and evil...

And then there is the very issue that it is blasphemy for a believer to criticize Islam.

I am certain there are many fine people who call themselves Muslims who would like to live in peace with other cultures. Yet, when the leaders of that religion issue the call, enough of them return to the fold to be dangerous for the rest of humanity.

6 posted on 12/03/2004 3:20:25 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: kupia_kummi

How many showed up?

Three?

Four?


7 posted on 12/03/2004 3:26:21 PM PST by Redbob
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To: Snapple

"This is great. I think a lot of Muslims just need a little leadership so they don't feel disloyal to their religion if they speak up."

I think you are exactly right.


8 posted on 12/03/2004 3:26:42 PM PST by JFK_Lib
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To: kupia_kummi

Some muslims actually get it that they have a deadly serious problem in their religion, but none of them seem to be doing anything about it.


9 posted on 12/03/2004 3:28:19 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: kupia_kummi
Muslims in Norway were organizing a torchlit parade through downtown Oslo this weekend, to decry violence and terrorism and distance themselves from Islamic fundamentalism.

Hopefully CAIR is paying attention.

10 posted on 12/03/2004 3:30:03 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: Snapple

Look at the comments on the thread.

When no Muslims were standing up against Islamic fundamentalist terrorism, FReepers complained that no Muslims were standing up against Islamic fundamentalist terrorism. Now that some are, they are being called liars, and dismissed as insignificant.

If there is one thing to be learned from the Van Gogh murder, is that speaking out against Islamic fundamentalist terrorism in Europe can get you killed.

However many people, Muslims and non-Muslims alike, march on this demonstration should be recognized as courageous people and supported, not scorned.


11 posted on 12/03/2004 3:32:03 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: kupia_kummi
It's a good thing and should be encouraged. Of course, carrying a big stick helps.
12 posted on 12/03/2004 3:32:36 PM PST by Dec31,1999 (www.protestwarrior.com)
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To: kupia_kummi

Now THERE'S something you don't see everyday!


13 posted on 12/03/2004 3:34:20 PM PST by The Drowning Witch (Sono La Voce della Nazione Selvaggia)
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To: kupia_kummi
A key group of local Muslim religious leaders said Friday they were encouraging all Muslims to participate. The more liberal among them already have protested violence, terror and killings in the name of religion.

Notice the bias in that statement? So speaking out against terrorism in Norway is a liberal thing, but just the opposite is true here in the USA?

And since the Book encourages, nay, commands the faithful muslim to lie to the Joooos and the Christians, we should believe them hook, line, and sinker on this?

Yeah right.

14 posted on 12/03/2004 3:37:29 PM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: kupia_kummi

Must not have been very many, the press is usually in a hurry to estimate crowd size.


15 posted on 12/03/2004 3:39:08 PM PST by prairiebreeze (It's my right to publically celebrate Christmas and state my faith in Christ. At least for now.....)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
However many people, Muslims and non-Muslims alike, march on this demonstration should be recognized as courageous people and supported, not scorned.

Wanna bet that not a single muslim will have anything done to them by the hidden islamofascists in Norway?

You should look carefully at every muslim marching in this "protest" to see if you can catch them winking or crossing their fingers.

16 posted on 12/03/2004 3:40:01 PM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Now that some are, they are being called liars, and dismissed as insignificant.

I'll need to check, but I don't think you're allowed to post this. Beware the ZOT.

17 posted on 12/03/2004 3:41:48 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: kupia_kummi
One of the central problems with Islam is there is no central organization. For example, Catholics have the Pope, then Cardinals then Bishops etc.... In other words, Catholicism has a hierarchy.

Islam does not. Therefore, any Muslim who obtains a cult of personality can issue Fatwas (legal rulings) and have them stick.

As a result, there is no central Islamic political organization that can rally peaceful Muslims, thus giving them social, political and moral support.
18 posted on 12/03/2004 3:44:34 PM PST by Stratman
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To: Auntie Dem

As I said...

I supposed the 26 Iraqis killed by today's bombs weren't Muslims.


19 posted on 12/03/2004 3:44:35 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Snapple
It would be nice if American Muslims would do the same in our country. Seems every time we are hit by their brethren, their collective silence is deafening.
20 posted on 12/03/2004 3:46:51 PM PST by KoRn
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To: Stratman

What bin Laden is trying to do, IMHO, is to establish that central organization, in the case of Islam, a Caliphate.

How would someone like Usama bin Laden do that?

Well, he could instigate a world-wide conflict between the west and Muslims in general to make it appear as if the west was at war with Islam, which would compel the adherents to defend their religion.

Sound familiar?

The most effective way to combat Islamic fundamentalist terrorism is to separate it from the religion, and marginalize it.


21 posted on 12/03/2004 3:48:27 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Kirkwood

You are wrong. THEY are using the same weapon that communist left has used for a long time. It is called media manipulation.


22 posted on 12/03/2004 3:50:14 PM PST by nanak (Tom Tancredo 2008:Last Hope to Save America)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I agree to a certain extent.

With OBL, I think there are several factors at work. From a psych perspective, I would bet the father son relationship didn't exist, leaving OBL to try and get his father's attention. This would also explain his zealotry -- zealots typically are trying to fill a void missing from childhood (usually no parents, emotional neglect etc...).

In addition, I would also bet OBL somehow feels betrayed in some way that the US didn't put him in power in Afghanistan after OBL's aid during the Russian occupation.

Did I mention I read allot of psychology? I'm not sure he wants to create a muslim central structure as much as he wants power and Islam is a way to achieve that power.
23 posted on 12/03/2004 3:59:40 PM PST by Stratman
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To: kupia_kummi
This is a good thing if they are serious.

Concrete actions will speak louder than words. If they turn in their terrorist co-religionists, actively support the WOT and assimilate into Norwegian society it will be the proof in the pudding instead of mouthing the right words for the parade and TV cameras.

Personally, I'm not holding my breath. There is little to support such a contrary view in 14 centuries of bloody Muslim history. But, it is perhaps a small start. Small.

24 posted on 12/03/2004 4:15:03 PM PST by Gritty ("Allah created the Kafir and moulded them to be your enemy-Sheikh Abu Hamza)
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To: Stratman
"This would also explain his zealotry -- zealots typically are trying to fill a void missing from childhood (usually no parents, emotional neglect etc..."

Well, I'm not psychologist, but I'm inclined to believe that the kind of religious zealotry that we've witnessed from Islamic extremists has a whole lot more to do with the environment, than with their parental relationships.

Here's a quote from John Lewis Gaddis that I found quite enlightening:

"The final innovation in the Bush strategy deals with the longer-term issue of removing the causes of terrorism and tyranny. Here, again, the president's thinking parallels an emerging consensus within the academic community. For it's becoming clear now that poverty wasn't what caused a group of middle-class and reasonably well-educated Middle Easterners to fly three airplanes into buildings and another into the ground. It was, rather, resentments growing out of the absence of representative institutions in their own societies, so that the only outlet for political dissidence was religious fanaticism." -- A Grand Strategy of Transformation

25 posted on 12/03/2004 4:24:53 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Stratman

Take a look at this: http://egypttoday.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=2478


26 posted on 12/03/2004 4:40:05 PM PST by kupia_kummi
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To: kupia_kummi

Yeah, all twenty of them showed up.


27 posted on 12/03/2004 4:42:35 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: kupia_kummi
"The more liberal among them already have protested violence, terror and killings in the name of religion."

These moslems are protesting their own koranic scriptures.

I wouldn't believe the sincerety of their grandstanding for an instant!

28 posted on 12/03/2004 4:53:58 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: kupia_kummi

I will be satisfied when 99% of them march to protest violence.


29 posted on 12/03/2004 5:07:10 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: vpintheak

Will you hold the pro-life community to the same standard?

They will have zero credibility until 99% of them hit the streets?

Or better yet, why don't we just disqualify the entire movement?

While they call abortion murder and a holocaust, they allow it to happen one million times a year right under their collective noses, without doing anything about it.

Your game is easy to play; just set unattainable standards, then discredit everyone...specially the ones who actually tried.


30 posted on 12/03/2004 5:16:04 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Personally, I think the real cure is a Middle East Wide free trade zone.


31 posted on 12/03/2004 6:33:37 PM PST by Stratman
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To: Paleo Conservative; kupia_kummi; rmlew
But what do they really say when they go to their mosques?

Don't blame you for being skeptical, but I'm encouraged by this - I feel in my gut that the way this conflict is going to end is by shining so much light on the atrocities and the medieval stands of radical islam that they will be so marginalized by their own that they will eventually fade into the dustbin of history - ala KKK.

32 posted on 12/03/2004 6:47:56 PM PST by aquila48
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To: aquila48

bttt


33 posted on 12/03/2004 10:22:38 PM PST by Dec31,1999 (www.protestwarrior.com)
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