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Dutch Muslims want to block critical film
The Star ^ | December 3, 2004

Posted on 12/04/2004 8:50:49 AM PST by BobL

Dutch Muslims want to block critical film December 3, 2004

The Hague - A small group of Muslims in the Netherlands are preparing a lawsuit to block a sequel to Submission, the movie scripted by a right-wing lawmaker and directed by a slain Dutch filmmaker.

Member of parliament Ayaan Hirsi Ali has been in hiding since filmmaker Theo Van Gogh was murdered on November 2 by an Islamic radical. A letter pinned to his chest with a knife threatened Hirsi Ali and vowed jihad, or holy war, against the "infidel enemies of Islam".

Hirsi Ali, a member of the Liberal party known by its Dutch acronym VVD, announced plans for a follow-up film on Monday. She has vowed to continue fighting for the emancipation of Muslim women.

Submission criticised how women are treated under Islam, and was considered insulting by many Dutch Muslims. It showed virtually naked Muslim women in headscarves with verses from the Qur'an written on their bodies. They told stories of abuse and rape by relatives.

Attorney Robert Moszkowicz said his clients had filed a suit "against Hirsi Ali in response to her plans to make a second film, called Submission 2.

"The suit will also seek to prevent Hirsi Ali from making offensive remarks or blasphemous statements against Islam", it said. It accused Hirsi Ali of labelling Islam dangerous "without differentiating Islam from radical Islam".

The killing of Van Gogh, known for his provocative columns and movies, triggered debate about the limits of free speech in the liberal Netherlands. Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner even called for the revival of a 1930s law condemning blasphemy and hurtful language. - Sapa-AP


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ayaanhirsiali; courage; documentary; dutch; europeanmuslims; islam; jihadineurope; muslims; netherlands; submission; theovangogh; vangogh
This is a womam of courage. Imagine, if you will, a Congressman in hiding 24/7 because a religion of kooks is out to kill him. Yet she presses on. Let's hear it for Ms. Hirsi Ali.
1 posted on 12/04/2004 8:50:50 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

Here, here. This woman is truly courageous and I hope she doesn't end up like Theo van Gogh, Alan Berg or Veronica Guerin. The lawyer representing these scum who want to stifle dissent--his name appears to be Jewish. Is he nuts?


2 posted on 12/04/2004 8:54:19 AM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal)
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To: BobL

Is there anyway possible we can have this movie relaesed in this USA?


3 posted on 12/04/2004 8:57:05 AM PST by Kurt_D
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To: BobL
without differentiating Islam from radical Islam

That is because there is no difference. One is public, the other private. The goals are the same, the desire to remove all infidels is the same, the worship of a pedophile (may he rot in hell forever between two pigs) is the same.

4 posted on 12/04/2004 8:57:52 AM PST by freedumb2003 (When does the Revolution start? I'm going for a bike ride for a while. Please fill me in later.)
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To: BobL
A small group of Muslims in the Netherlands are preparing a lawsuit to block a sequel to Submission

Islam hates the truth as evil hates the light.

The truth about Islam can be seen in what it does, not what is says.

5 posted on 12/04/2004 8:58:01 AM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: ariamne

Yep,

Heck, a good percentage of Israel (probably a third) thinks like that also. They are so filled with hatred towards their oppressors (conservatives who happen to read a bible once in a while) that they are willing to consort with people who want to exterminate them.

No they're not nuts, they're sick (same thing, I guess).


6 posted on 12/04/2004 8:59:56 AM PST by BobL
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To: Kurt_D

"Is there anyway possible we can have this movie relaesed in this USA?"

I'm sorry to tell you that the only place that I knew of that showed the film just took it down: http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2655656?htv=12

I knew that they were getting huge amounts of threats (both physical and legal), and I guess it got to be too much for them. Have a look at the site anyway. I'll look for other sites.

For everyone - this should tell you something about the enemy that we all face. Let's see if the ACLU comes to our rescue.


7 posted on 12/04/2004 9:07:15 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

OK... hopefully that movie will be properly translated / subtitled into English and we can get the DVD.


8 posted on 12/04/2004 9:13:36 AM PST by Kurt_D
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To: BobL

bttt


9 posted on 12/04/2004 9:17:06 AM PST by dagnabbit (Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Bush & Congress to stop their massive Islamic immigration.)
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To: BobL

Hmmm. There is a lot of self-hatred in the Jewish community, but many of us are coming to recognize our enemy is on the left, not the right. Look at David Horowitz, Alan Dershowitz, Ron Silver and others. And from what I've read, most Israelis love George Bush and welcome the Christians from the right. Part of what drove me out of the left was the rampant hatred of Israel and Jews in general (though they try to deny it publicly, I have been ear witness to their behind the scenes anti-semetism, especially among black leftists.) I'm a newbie, but I have been really touched by the pro-Israel sentiment here on FR.


10 posted on 12/04/2004 9:21:25 AM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal)
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To: Kurt_D

Actually the film is in English, except for a Prayer at the beginning.

Anyway, I found a site that has the text of the movie. Take a look, it is very, very, powerful. You'll quickly understand why Theo needed to be silenced. Any daylight on this 'religion' will cause it to immediately collaspe.


11 posted on 12/04/2004 9:21:45 AM PST by BobL
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To: ariamne

"There is a lot of self-hatred in the Jewish community..."

Agreed, but based on the way Bush treated the Israel during his first term, he should have gotten 75% of the Jewish vote, not 25%. While some are starting to see the light, overall the Jews still have a long, long way to go before they support the people protecting them.

Politically, it's sad but true. The real gain provided to President Bush in supporting Israel was the support it brought him from the Christian community. Without the Christians, Israel would be wiped off the map. Pretty sad.




12 posted on 12/04/2004 9:26:51 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL
**Imagine, if you will, a Congressman in hiding 24/7 because a religion of kooks is out to kill him**

Mark Dayton?

13 posted on 12/04/2004 9:31:03 AM PST by Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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To: Guillermo

"Mark Dayton?"

What did he do?


14 posted on 12/04/2004 9:32:58 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL
Submission criticised how women are treated under Islam, and was considered insulting by many Dutch Muslims. It showed virtually naked Muslim women in headscarves with verses from the Qur'an written on their bodies.

That's pretty insulting, pretty bad.

The murder of the film maker did not help the Dutch Muslim's cause. But with this known, they likely would have gotten a sympathetic ear from other religions that have been peed on by the liberals.

No matter what you think of someone's religion, they are going to be upset when scenes like this appear.

15 posted on 12/04/2004 9:35:20 AM PST by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: BobL

He closed his Senate offices in DC because "security concerns."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1242876/posts


16 posted on 12/04/2004 9:35:28 AM PST by Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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To: BobL

Change is difficult for Jews, who have trusted before and been burnt. American Jews are not the same as Israelis, and don't understand the wolf at the door has come for them. That is why I never stop hammering at Jews (My mother was a Jew, my father was a Christian--I identify as a Messianic Jew) to wake up. But the majority of Israelis were happy that George W. was re-elected. High profile right-wing Jews must continue to speak out for conservative principles here in America.


17 posted on 12/04/2004 9:37:24 AM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal)
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To: BobL

Wow....I watched it the other day. Its not exactly a Speilburg spectacular and lasts about 11 minutes. Basically a veiled woman recounting abuse she had suffered from her Islamic family. What upset some Muslims about the film is the use of Koranic verses written on a female body and the exposure from a see through burka of some sort.


18 posted on 12/04/2004 9:38:58 AM PST by xp38
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To: BobL
It showed virtually naked Muslim women in headscarves with verses from the Qur'an written on their bodies.

They never say what verses, though. I wonder why. Does anybody know?

19 posted on 12/04/2004 9:40:09 AM PST by Dec31,1999 (www.protestwarrior.com)
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To: ariamne

We have your back. To the death if neccessary.


20 posted on 12/04/2004 9:43:12 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Guillermo

He closed his Senate offices in DC because "security concerns."

Yes, I remember now. That was a pretty good stunt. Him being a Democrat, just before the election. In his case, it was delusional. We don't need to kill our opponents, we simply defeat them at the polls once our ideas hit the street.

There are certainly a lot of Democrats that, if assinated, I wouldn't exactly spend my life savings trying to attend their funeral. The difference is that our party will never accept assination as a part of political discourse, but to the Muslims in Europe, an assination is something to celebrate. As for the Dems here, I'm not sure. I just remember the night that Reagan was shot I was living in a dormatory at the University of Michigan, and my neighbor threw a party to celebrate.


21 posted on 12/04/2004 9:46:51 AM PST by BobL
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To: ariamne
Hiya newbie and welcome as a new FReeper. It gladdens my heart whenever I see that the lights have turned on for a recovering lib. There are quite a few here that share your experience, although most of us were born way over here on the Right. (^;

You are correct that the right are the among the strongest supporters of Israel. Just why the Jewish voters, in general, can't see that totally baffles me. Always has and always will.

Nam Vet

22 posted on 12/04/2004 9:52:32 AM PST by Nam Vet (MSM reporters think the MOIST dream they had the night before is a "reliable source".)
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To: MissAmericanPie; ariamne
We have your back. To the death if neccessary.

Yup!

23 posted on 12/04/2004 9:54:59 AM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: ariamne

"Change is difficult for Jews..."

True - it's just frustrating.


24 posted on 12/04/2004 9:55:59 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

The movie is available via BitTorrent. For those unfamiliar, BitTorrent is a downloading/file sharing format that lets you download movies (and more) from others.

There are tracker sites like:
http://www.suprnova.org/
Search for "Submission"

You'll need to install torrent software such as torrentstorm...

But worth the trouble..

I'm downloading the movie now..


25 posted on 12/04/2004 9:59:50 AM PST by adamj
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To: Nam Vet

Many thanks for your support and MissAmerica's too. And for the warm welcome. Free Republic has been such a tonic for the treatment of chronic liberalism and I bask here in the principles of God and Country. And I agree with BobL., it IS frustrating, no more so than for conservative Jews themselves. But know that we are grateful for the wonderful support from conservative Christians/gentiles. When the islamicfascists come for us, its good to know you've got our backs. But thanks be to God and the Marines, it won't happen here!


26 posted on 12/04/2004 10:06:29 AM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal)
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To: BobL
"It accused Hirsi Ali of labelling Islam dangerous "without differentiating Islam from radical Islam"."

The most congitively dissonant statement I've heard all week. How does non-radical Islam defend itself against being called radical? By killing those who say they are dangerous? Yeah, that makes sense.

27 posted on 12/04/2004 10:10:19 AM PST by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be")
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To: BobL
Dutch Muslims want to block critical film

I love the journalistic wiggle-words...
Since when is "truthful" translated as "critical"?
Hey, the Muslims must have studied the tactics of the "Sinclair Broadcasting
Suppression Team" of The Kerry Campaign.

Actually, Islamics are just as practiced at supression of the ugly truth
about their activities as Democrats are.
They got terrorism expert Stephen Emerson off of NPR with a phone campaign (IIRC)
and even mostly muzzled radio-icon Paul Harvey.

With Dubya returned, we gotta' tell these Islamic activists that they can talk,
talk, talk all they want...
AND they CAN'T shut up people who tell the truth about them.

That's why we aren't going to be the North American colony of Eurabia.
Like Canada.
28 posted on 12/04/2004 10:15:53 AM PST by VOA
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To: BobL
A small group of Muslims in the Netherlands are preparing a lawsuit to block
a sequel to Submission, the movie scripted by a right-wing lawmaker and directed
by a slain Dutch filmmaker.


Translation:
"Please stop showing a film that tells the truth about how women are too often
treated in true Islamic fashion.
If you Dutch keep showing that film, we'll have to behead, shoot and
savagely stab some more of you in the streets. And it will be all your fault."
29 posted on 12/04/2004 10:18:11 AM PST by VOA
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To: BobL; Guillermo

The Monty Python ditty of "Brave Sir Robin Ran Away" was played on The Hugh Hewitt Show
yesterday in honor of Sen. Mark Dayton.
(Good thing this Chicken Senator isn't being allowed to have his panic attacks while
roaming around Iraq).

The lyrics follow, with Brave Sir Robin's (Sen. Dayton) defense of his honor in quotes:

Bravely bold Sir Robin
Rode forth from Camelot.
He was not afraid to die,
Oh brave Sir Robin.
He was not at all afraid
To be killed in nasty ways.
Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin.

He was not in the least bit scared
To be mashed into a pulp.
Or to have his eyes gouged out,
And his elbows broken.
To have his kneecaps split
And his body burned away,
And his limbs all hacked and mangled
Brave Sir Robin.

His head smashed in
And his heart cut out
And his liver removed
And his bowls unplugged
And his nostrils raped
And his bottom burnt off
And his pen--

"That's... that's enough music for now lads, there's dirty work afoot."

Brave Sir Robin ran away.
("No!")
Bravely ran away away.
("I didn't!")
When danger reared it's ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
("I never!")
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
("You're lying!")
Swiftly taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
Bravest of the braaaave, Sir Robin!


30 posted on 12/04/2004 10:23:54 AM PST by VOA
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To: VOA

The thing to keep in mind here is that the entire basis of Islam is the subjugation of women. That is how they get their men. The rest of it is a smokescreen. Seriously, why would any man choose to be part of a 'religion' that requires you to stick you butt up in the air 5 times a day, grow a beard the length of your car, and tell you how to take a dump. Sounds pretty lousy. Now add to the mix that you get a sex slave you can beat up any time you want, and the 'religion' starts looking much better.

Now Theo comes out with his film, exposing this sham. No wonder he was killed. If you take away the dominance of women, the whole scheme collaspes. Theo had to be killed, and his film squashed - because it was showing all of Europe what kind of monsters they had in their midst.


31 posted on 12/04/2004 10:25:40 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

Be prepares for "peaceful" bombings of theatres that show this movie.


32 posted on 12/04/2004 10:27:27 AM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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To: BobL

Wow! Excellent summation, counselor!


33 posted on 12/04/2004 10:42:47 AM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal)
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To: ariamne

Thanks Ariamne - you can how our 2 worlds are about to collide - big time.


34 posted on 12/04/2004 10:53:45 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL
"If you take away the dominance of women, the whole scheme collaspes."

I do believe you are on to something there.

35 posted on 12/04/2004 10:54:41 AM PST by Bahbah
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