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Snubbed churchgoers make selves heard on every corner (of Denver "Holiday" parade)
Denver News ^ | Dec 4 04 | Montero and Sheeler

Posted on 12/04/2004 9:59:56 PM PST by churchillbuff

Bruce Bain doesn't attend church regularly, but nothing was going to keep him from showing up on the corner of 17th Street and Tremont Place on Friday night.

"How can you have the Parade of Lights without the 'light of the world'?" he asked. "Christmas is a religious holiday."

So the 56-year-old Englewood man joined hundreds of Christmas carolers from metro-area churches and sang along the Parade of Lights route. They sang on 15th Street. They sang at Court Place. And they sang at Colfax Avenue and Bannock Street.

What they didn't do was raise hell.

Yes, it was a protest of sorts - if you count that five of the six songs in the 2,500 caroling pamphlets given out heralded the birth of Jesus. See, Faith Bible Chapel in Arvada, upon hearing the parade wouldn't allow its religious-themed float this year, decided it would rally carolers and sing along the route beforehand.For its part, the parade started in 1974 as a way to replace Denver's traditional Saturday morning Santa Claus Parade that ended in the 1960s. The Parade Of Lights entry rules evolved during the past decade to reject religious-themed floats in favor of more secular symbols such as snowmen and gingerbread houses.

Pastor George Morrison - whose church has 4,000 members - said he was not even allowed to have a sign that read "Merry Christmas."

Rhoda Schultz, one of the caroling organizers, didn't know what to expect as people began to show up shortly after 6:30 p.m. She urged everyone to be respectful. She asked that they stop singing 10 minutes before the parade started at 8 p.m. so as not to divert attention away from the parade.

"OK, so we're not going to get a float," she said. "So let's get together anyway and carol."

The leader of Faith Bible Chapel's choir then stood on the steps of Republic Plaza and tried to marshal the caroling forces.

"OK, how many are ready to go?" she asked.

A few scattered hands went up. Finally, a group of about 20 were corralled, and with their song sheets, scarves and a few signs, they headed down Tremont Place.As the hour before the parade marched on, more groups of 20 or 30 went forth, singing. By the time Schultz's 10-minute rule arrived, about 500 were singing at various downtown street corners.

Along the parade route, the caroling groups were greeted with some applause. Some watched impassively. Some merchants zipped past them selling light sticks and foam Christmas-tree hats. One person walked by and asked, "Are these the Jesus people?"

Carly MacGill, who was with her 3-year-old daughter, stood on an icy curb as the first group moved slowly by. They were just starting Joy to the World when MacGill yelled, "Merry Christmas! God bless!"

Laura Ranger, who was bundled up in a red jacket and wore a Santa hat, said she wanted to sing because she was simply tired of feeling like Christianity was being excluded from the Parade of Lights.

She wore a sign on her back that read, "Say it loud and proud - Merry Christmas.

"It took me a few seconds to make the sign, but they were important seconds," Ranger, 31, said. "I needed to be out here to show my support."

Mary Beth Brugler, a 53-year-old from Arvada and a member of Faith Bible Chapel, showed her support by brewing 12 gallons of hot chocolate.

Another person brought an additional three gallons.

It was all gone in an hour.

"We pretty much covered everyone," Brugler said, adding that the batch she made consisted of "just the right amount of chocolate."

The Parade of Lights, sponsored by the Downtown Partnership, issued a statement Friday regarding the carolers.

Jim Basey, president of the partnership, said it stands by its policy of not allowing religious or political messages in the parade. He also said that despite last-minute lobbying by City Council members for a compromise, parade organizers said they would wait until next year to evaluate their policies.

But this year, well, rules are rules.

"We have no objections to Pastor (George) Morrison's plan to walk along the parade crowd, pass hot chocolate and sing Christmas carols," the statement said. "Please know that there are no policies for the Parade of Lights prohibiting Christmas songs or parade participants saying 'Merry Christmas,' 'Happy Hanukkah' or other holiday greetings. That is part of the holiday tradition."

Heard downtown

Friday night, carolers organized by Faith Bible Chapel blanketed portions of the Parade of Lights route with traditional Christmas songs including:

• Joy to the World

• Silent Night

• Hark! The Herald Angels Sing

• The First Noel

• Angels We Have Heard on High

• We Wish You A Merry Christmas

• Ten minutes before the parade began, the carolers ended with Silent Night.


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1 posted on 12/04/2004 9:59:56 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
"We have no objections to Pastor (George) Morrison's plan to walk along the parade crowd, pass hot chocolate and sing Christmas carols," the statement said.""""

How very big of them.

2 posted on 12/04/2004 10:01:10 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

I love it!

God bless them all.


3 posted on 12/04/2004 10:02:28 PM PST by Skooz (Kerry Voters = Parasites of Freedom: 56,936,504 Americans obeyed Osama's orders)
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To: churchillbuff
sponsored by the Downtown Partnership

partnership of what I wonder?

4 posted on 12/04/2004 10:08:20 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that -- Mark Twain)
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To: churchillbuff
Time to bring Christmas back out of the closet - LOUD and clear

someone's offended?

Well, I'm offended that they're offended -

so that neutralizes them - and

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

5 posted on 12/04/2004 10:09:16 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: Skooz

Actually they should have just filtered in between the floats and walked along singing. It would have forced the promoters to either swollow their pride and let it happen or request police to arrest them, and that would have embarrased them even more.


6 posted on 12/04/2004 10:14:32 PM PST by konaice
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To: churchillbuff
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night.
8 posted on 12/04/2004 10:19:35 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: Mo1; kayak
Merry CHRISTmas!!!

9 posted on 12/04/2004 10:21:06 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: churchillbuff

Remember the reason for the season.


10 posted on 12/04/2004 10:22:11 PM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: FarRightTexasDude
Hey Jim, what are you going to say to God the day you stand before him?

Well, actually, Jim will be KNEELING before Him! Now...as to the lame excuse he'll try to come up with is ANYONE'S guess.

11 posted on 12/04/2004 10:22:16 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: churchillbuff

12 posted on 12/04/2004 10:23:56 PM PST by timestax
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To: everyone

Great news. Thanks for posting this.


13 posted on 12/04/2004 10:24:53 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: Brad's Gramma

The time is near when those of us who believe, will be thinking more and more about becoming the salt of the earth....

Yes indeed....Merry Christmas

Thank YOU Lord


14 posted on 12/04/2004 10:25:28 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: FarRightTexasDude

FarRightTexasDude,He has friends.


15 posted on 12/04/2004 10:27:08 PM PST by fatima (Pray for our troops.I voted for tomkow6)
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To: Brad's Gramma

What do these people think Christmas is anyway ?/The worlds gone mad I tell you ..I'm putting up a huge Merry Christmas on my place and I'd like to see someone tell me it offends them ...


16 posted on 12/04/2004 10:27:45 PM PST by hineybona
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To: All

"ands by its policy of not allowing religious or political messages in the parade."IT'S A RELIGIOUS HOLIDAY !!!!!!!WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY SAYING/??.>I'm serious , am I loosing it or it this completly insane ?


17 posted on 12/04/2004 10:30:17 PM PST by hineybona
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

18 posted on 12/04/2004 10:31:05 PM PST by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: churchillbuff
Yes, it was a protest of sorts - if you count that five of the six songs in the 2,500 caroling pamphlets given out heralded the birth of Jesus. See, Faith Bible Chapel in Arvada, upon hearing the parade wouldn't allow its religious-themed float this year, decided it would rally carolers and sing along the route beforehand.

Good for them! What is that saying about what it takes for evil to prevail? It's good to see some good men taking a stand against evil.

19 posted on 12/04/2004 10:35:28 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: hineybona

I've seen some Merry Christmas lights on people's houses....I can't seem to find them in the stores. If anyone knows WHERE...please let me know!


20 posted on 12/04/2004 10:39:43 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: hineybona

No but the nation has surely gone insame!

We need to start forming groups, and voicing that we are offended! Loudly!


21 posted on 12/04/2004 10:39:46 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: churchillbuff

Um, let me understand this. They want to ostracize and exclude some people in order to be "inclusive" and "not offend" anyone. Right. Makes perfect sense.


22 posted on 12/04/2004 10:47:35 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: churchillbuff; Brad's Gramma; devolve; MeekOneGOP; potlatch; onyx; ntnychik; Happy2BMe; SAMWolf; ...
Right, the celebration of the birth of Frosty the Snowman in the Gingerbread House.

No more conventions or federal aid for Denver--violation of civil liberties. Let the litigation begin.

23 posted on 12/04/2004 10:50:40 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: churchillbuff

Love it! HE is the Reason for the Season.


24 posted on 12/04/2004 10:55:30 PM PST by ride the whirlwind
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To: churchillbuff
Jim Basey, president of the partnership, said it stands by its policy of not allowing religious or political messages in the parade ... But this year, well, rules are rules. "We have no objections to Pastor (George) Morrison's plan to walk along the parade crowd, pass hot chocolate and sing Christmas carols," the statement said.

Golly Jim. What a mensch you are.

Color me majorly surprised that Basey didn't direct the Denver police to administer a wood shampoo to the carolers then have them arrested. Surely, ALL of the carolers couldn't have had the proper health department permit to dispense hot chocolate in a public place.

(sarcasm OFF)

25 posted on 12/04/2004 10:58:35 PM PST by asgardshill (November 2004 - The Month That Just Kept On Giving)
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To: Wilhelm Tell; asgardshill; churchillbuff
The transformation of Christmas to “holiday” and the attendant impoverishment of our culture was brought about to accommodate not the small minority of Americans who do not celebrate Christmas but the far smaller minority—comprising those of all faiths and of none—who resent the overwhelming majority who do celebrate Christmas. Hanukkah is traditionally a minor holiday (with no basis in the canonical Hebrew Bible) and Kwanza is a completely made-up event.

This brings into sharper perspective just who is celebrating Christmas.....and "the other" who is not. This small and insignificant minority enjoy their status through the generosity and forebearance of Christians, and because America is a Christian country. Americans heartily endorse Christian values as Nov 2, 2004 demonstrated. Those who chose to ignore that fact are in for a rude awakening.(MAP UPDATE: Bush won Ohio and New Mexico later.)

26 posted on 12/04/2004 11:07:13 PM PST by Liz
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To: churchillbuff

God bless all these people for going out and singing God's word!


27 posted on 12/04/2004 11:09:51 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: churchillbuff

This is probably a dumb question.......but is the mayor of Denver a dem?

I suggest all you Denverites un-elect him as soon as possible. And don't let the city of Denver forget how he stuck his foot in his mouth with his stupid "Holiday" tree, etc. etc. etc.

Throw him out!


28 posted on 12/04/2004 11:12:07 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: churchillbuff

This is probably a dumb question.......but is the mayor of Denver a dem?

I suggest all you Denverites un-elect him as soon as possible. And don't let the city of Denver forget how he stuck his foot in his mouth with his stupid "Holiday" tree, etc. etc. etc.

Throw him out!

Anyone have an email address?


29 posted on 12/04/2004 11:12:31 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: churchillbuff

Duck Fenver.


30 posted on 12/04/2004 11:15:47 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: churchillbuff; WKB

Through these people, and others,
The Lord is taking back His country.


31 posted on 12/04/2004 11:17:32 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: Salvation

Mayor John W. Hickenlooper
Denver City and County Building
1437 Bannock Street, Suite 350
Denver, CO 80202

Phone: 720-865-9000
Fax: 720-865-8787

E-mail: MileHighMayor@ci.denver.co.us


32 posted on 12/04/2004 11:21:03 PM PST by Liz
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To: Brad's Gramma
Can't tell you where to buy them, but here's a big one for ya...


33 posted on 12/04/2004 11:41:09 PM PST by jellybean
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To: Liz
If he won't listen to us, maybe he'll listen to one of his own -- FDR (01/06/41):

In the future days which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.

The first is freedom of speech and expression -- everywhere in the world.

The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way -- everywhere in the world.

The third is freedom from want, which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants -- everywhere in the world.

The fourth is freedom from fear, which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor -- anywhere in the world.
34 posted on 12/04/2004 11:59:12 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Brad's Gramma
So the 56-year-old Englewood man joined hundreds of Christmas carolers from metro-area churches and sang along the Parade of Lights route. They sang on 15th Street. They sang at Court Place. And they sang at Colfax Avenue and Bannock Street.

WOHOO!!

SING IT LOUD ... SING IT PROUD !!

Merry CHRISTmas ! ! !

35 posted on 12/05/2004 12:27:58 AM PST by Mo1 (Should be called Oil for Fraud and not Oil for Food)
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To: churchillbuff

BTTT


36 posted on 12/05/2004 12:32:27 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: churchillbuff

"Are these the Jesus people?"

I love it.


37 posted on 12/05/2004 12:58:08 AM PST by Gal.5:1 (do not be subject again to a yoke of (spiritual)slavery)
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To: Mo1
Christmas is a fun occasion, like other such events. But no matter how hard one shouts the first syllable of the word "Christmas" it wont help one iota in making the carpenter from Nazareth re-appear, because...Sorry kids, he ain't returning ever !
38 posted on 12/05/2004 1:02:43 AM PST by Bandaneira (The Third Temple/House for All Nations/World Peace Centre...Coming Soon...)
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To: maine-iac7

Hey, you said what I was thinkin'! Thank you!


39 posted on 12/05/2004 1:17:00 AM PST by derllak
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To: PhilDragoo; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; potlatch; ntnychik; abigail2; Smartass; Travis McGee
Interesting chart

Mark Levin's Landmark Legal Foundation should sue the cities, counties, states, federal agencies, bureaucrats, Mayors, that ban Christian activities, parades, speech, by legislation or executive order or rules ad regulations

Denver Mayor Hickenlooper(splg? who cares!) bans Christians, Christmas, Christina church members, and Christmas carols in their parades yet officially endorses and presides over an outside Hanuka candle lighting ceremony in Denver that celebrates his own personal religion.

Islam celebrated, gets government recognition not afforded to Good Friday, Muslims get religious days closed as official religious holidays per government order, public school students forced to study Islam in California and federal judges OK that(?), Christmas banned.


Justice Ginsberg what is your opinion?


Why are two enemy ethnic groups in America joining hands to vote over 85% each against Republicans and most Christians and banning Christmas and Easter in a generous nation in which they are small minorities?

This is the small minority and the ACLU and the federal courts in your pocket stealing your tax dollars and killing your religious rights in the USA.

Defund the government and avoid any who ban or censor Christmas or any Christian holiday or activity.

Not one cent in their businesses, not one cent in taxes to any govenment agency that discriminates against Christians.

Things are about to pop mega bigtime in America.
40 posted on 12/05/2004 3:35:55 AM PST by devolve (http://00access.tripod.com/GreenGrass.html http://00access.tripod.com/CountryRoads.html)
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To: churchillbuff

Parade of Lights????...What does that title have to do with the spirit of Christmas??...


41 posted on 12/05/2004 4:41:11 AM PST by Route101
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To: PhilDragoo; bubbleb
"OK, so we're not going to get a float," she said.
"So let's get together anyway and carol."

bump!


42 posted on 12/05/2004 4:42:04 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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To: All

Christians need to officially proclaim themselves as an ethnic group. Then the right to do anything they want will be unending.


43 posted on 12/05/2004 4:56:11 AM PST by MagnoliaB (Never forget.)
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To: FarRightTexasDude

There was one group allowed to participate in the parade, they called themselves "two spirits". Gay and Lesbo Indians who worship a kindred spirit of sorts. Go figure, their message was allowed, but not Merry Christmas.


44 posted on 12/05/2004 5:07:47 AM PST by truthandlogic
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To: churchillbuff
The Downtown Partnership
45 posted on 12/05/2004 5:10:27 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: churchillbuff

At OUR Christmas parade, there were plenty of Christmas floats and everyone was yelling Merry Christmas. I love small town America.


46 posted on 12/05/2004 5:13:00 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: maine-iac7

Finally, the backlash has begun against all of this insane, facist, politcal correctness.

MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYONE!


47 posted on 12/05/2004 5:13:46 AM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: Bandaneira

You say Jesus won't return. When one looks at how much of the Bible's prophecy has been fulfilled, it would be tough to bet against it. I hope you will examine the Bible closely and change you mind before he does return.


48 posted on 12/05/2004 5:26:31 AM PST by mrfixit514
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To: dixiechick2000

Amen Sunday morning bump!!


49 posted on 12/05/2004 5:29:59 AM PST by WKB (3! ~ Psa. 12 8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.")
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To: Brad's Gramma

EVERY KNEE SHAL BOW,

EVERY TONGUE CONFESS THAT JESUS THE CHRIST IS LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS . . .

otherwise, silence will be the best they can offer or dare offer.


50 posted on 12/05/2004 5:41:27 AM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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