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Cal angry, frustrated after Texas takes Rose Bowl spot
AP via yahoo ^ | 12/5/04 | GREG BEACHAM,

Posted on 12/05/2004 7:59:17 PM PST by pete anderson

BERKELEY, Calif. (AP) -- California refused to run up the score or beg for poll votes.

Maybe the Bears should have.

Cal (10-1) was left out of the Bowl Championship Series, denied one of the eight spots in college football's big-money games despite a season of statistical superlatives and dominating victories.

The fourth-ranked Golden Bears will be stuck at the Holiday Bowl while Texas plays in the Rose Bowl.

Cal's Rose Bowl drought reached 46 years despite one of the best regular seasons in school history.

The Bears felt beaten as they left their team meeting. Quarterback Aaron Rodgers saw confusion and disappointment in his teammates when they found out their Rose Bowl dreams were replaced with a trip to San Diego to face Texas Tech.

``It just shows it's a faulty system, and we've got to do something to change it up,'' Rodgers said. ``I bet Auburn is pretty ticked, too. ... Nobody cares about West Coast football, I don't think. I just hope Southern Cal represents us well.''

Texas (10-1) surged past the Bears in the final BCS standings despite Cal's 26-16 road victory over Southern Mississippi on Saturday night. The Longhorns gained points in both polls, and the computer rankings kept Texas well in front of Cal. The Longhorns will face Michigan (9-2) on Jan. 1.

There were dozens of factors in the decision, but the Bears felt they were superior in almost every venue -- except the political arena. Rodgers figured Texas coach Mack Brown's pleading for poll support made a difference, and he was glad Cal coach Jeff Tedford never did likewise.

``I thought it was a little classless how Coach Brown was begging for votes after the (Texas A&M) game,'' Rodgers said. ``I think a team's record and the way you play should speak for itself, and you shouldn't have to complain about the BCS system. Coach Tedford isn't going to, although he's frustrated just like we are. I think we're a bigger team, classier than that.''

Tedford was less emotional than Rodgers, but no less disappointed as he evaluated the Bears' long list of accomplishments.

The only blemish on their record was a six-point loss at top-ranked USC. They beat 10 teams by an average of 23.9 points per game. They were the only school in the nation's top six both in scoring offense and scoring defense.

The Rose Bowl has matched a Big 10 team against a Pac-10 school for decades, and with the Pac-10 champion Trojans headed to the Orange Bowl, Cal hoped to end the conference's longest Rose Bowl drought. Instead, there will be burnt orange in the Pasadena stands.

``I just feel terrible for the alumni and the fans who have waited so long for this,'' Tedford said. ``As a program, we were set on the Rose Bowl. I felt like we did enough to earn that.''

Most of the Bears still were jet-lagged and exhausted after grinding out a victory in Hattiesburg just 18 hours earlier in a game postponed from Sept. 16 by Hurricane Ivan. The late-season road trip provided a national television audience -- but when the Golden Eagles were difficult to put away, it might have swayed some voters away.

And that was baffling to Tedford, who refused to try to score one last touchdown in the waning seconds to pad the score. The Bears also were hurt by a questionable clipping call in the closing minutes, which negated a touchdown run by J.J. Arrington.

Normally, Tedford wouldn't spare a second's thought on such issues -- but in the BCS world, it might have made a difference.

``If yesterday's game was the game that turned anybody's head, then that's sad, because it's about a season,'' Tedford said. ``We're going to keep our same philosophy. It's hard enough just to win games.''


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I hate California Whine!
1 posted on 12/05/2004 7:59:18 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: pete anderson

They didn't win the PAC-10. It's that simple.


2 posted on 12/05/2004 8:01:19 PM PST by andrew2527
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To: pete anderson

Sep 4 at Air Force W, 56-14
Sep 11 vs New Mexico State W, 41-14
Sep 16 at Southern Miss Postponed
Oct 2 at Oregon State W, 49-7
Oct 9 at USC L, 23-17
Oct 16 vs UCLA W, 45-28
Oct 23 at Arizona W, 38-0
Oct 30 vs Arizona State W, 27-0
Nov 6 vs Oregon W, 28-27
Nov 13 at Washington W, 42-12
Nov 20 vs Stanford W, 41-6

I don't know about anyone else , but this schedule does not look to hard other than USC (which they lost). Texas schedule is much harder IMO.
Dec 4 at Southern Miss W, 26-16


3 posted on 12/05/2004 8:03:12 PM PST by mlbford2 ("Never wrestle with a pig; you can't win, you just get filthy, and the pig loves it...")
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To: pete anderson

I could care less about Cal, but they got screwed. #4 and you are not in the big money?


4 posted on 12/05/2004 8:03:19 PM PST by fritzz (Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers)
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To: andrew2527
They didn't win the PAC-10. It's that simple. Texas didn't win the Big 12 either - So that means very little - And the fact is, Cal lost to the higer rated opponent (USC #1) than Texas (OK #2) -
5 posted on 12/05/2004 8:04:16 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: andrew2527
Same thing happened to Texas Last year.

The system is bad and a few teams get screwed every year.

6 posted on 12/05/2004 8:04:38 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: mlbford2
Typically I would agree with you - Schedule wise - But the Big 12 isn't anything much this year at all - About even with Cal's conference -
7 posted on 12/05/2004 8:05:35 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

How many ranked teams did Cal Play?


8 posted on 12/05/2004 8:06:08 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: fritzz
I could care less about Cal

How much less could you care, a little or a lot?

9 posted on 12/05/2004 8:07:56 PM PST by usadave
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To: pete anderson

True, the system is crap. What I don't get is why Cal feels like they go "shafted" because UT got the bump with the same record. Someone had to get the shaft...


10 posted on 12/05/2004 8:09:10 PM PST by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: DevSix

Hey Man, Baylor is tough.


11 posted on 12/05/2004 8:09:12 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: pete anderson
I like Rodgers' high carry and quick release. I think Cal is a better team than Texas and it would have been good to have a Pac 10 and a Big 10 team in the Rose Bowl.

At least the Aggies get to go to the Cotton Bowl.
12 posted on 12/05/2004 8:10:47 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: pete anderson

Time for a playoff!!!!


13 posted on 12/05/2004 8:11:32 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("BZZZZZT You are fined one credit for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute")
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To: pete anderson
Go Michigan!
14 posted on 12/05/2004 8:12:24 PM PST by Doug Fiedor
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To: pete anderson

Auburn got screwed more than anyone else. I know it's hard to justify changing the rankings of the top 2 teams when the teams that are #1 and #2 have been up there all season long and finished undefeated, but I've always said that the SEC is undoubtedly the toughest conference in the nation. Finishing 10-1 in the SEC is like being 11-0 anywhere else, and going 12-0 in the SEC means more than an undefeated season in any other conference.


15 posted on 12/05/2004 8:12:40 PM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: pete anderson
How many ranked teams did Cal Play?

Understand the sediment here - But one could argue in circles going simply by that - They beat who were in front of them and they played well enough to be ranked #4 up until earlier tonight -

And who is Texas biggest win over?? Texas A&M?? Who seems incapable of winning a big game...period..

Bottom line the BSC system is flawed....and Cal got the shaft because of the system......But then again, so did Auburn (they had the toughest schedule of the bunch).

16 posted on 12/05/2004 8:13:34 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

When Oklahoma destroys USC you will see why. The Big 12 South makes PAC 10 look like high school football. Ok State beat UCLA 31-20 and USC squeaked by UCLA with a 5 point margin this weekend.

OSU would beat USC, and Texas would also. A&M may also. Tech will school Cal. Don't you just love this time of the year?


17 posted on 12/05/2004 8:14:14 PM PST by Glock17 (Aim Center Mass)
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To: Max Combined
They Lost to Baylor and are going to the Cotton Bowl?

A&M should have received the Death Penalty for losing to the Bears.

18 posted on 12/05/2004 8:14:25 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: Max Combined
I think Cal is a better team than Texas and it would have been good to have a Pac 10 and a Big 10 team in the Rose Bowl.

Agree completely - I really think the Pac-10 / Big 10 feel should have been kept (if possible) for the Rose Bowl - (plus Cal is probably better than TX)

19 posted on 12/05/2004 8:14:59 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: pete anderson
The only blemish on their record was a six-point loss at top-ranked USC. They beat 10 teams by an average of 23.9 points per game. They were the only school in the nation's top six both in scoring offense and scoring defense.

While Texas got shut out by the number 2 team OU.

20 posted on 12/05/2004 8:15:12 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: Glock17
When Oklahoma destroys USC you will see why. The Big 12 South makes PAC 10 look like high school football. Ok State beat UCLA 31-20 and USC squeaked by UCLA with a 5 point margin this weekend. OSU would beat USC, and Texas would also. A&M may also. Tech will school Cal. Don't you just love this time of the year?

I remember you Sooners talking sh*t last year after back-dooring your way into the National Championship....then getting it handed to you hard by LSU - But I do agree ...Love this time of year!

21 posted on 12/05/2004 8:16:44 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: Glock17

Put down the crack pipe, Texas always chokes the big games.


22 posted on 12/05/2004 8:18:39 PM PST by ThreeYearLurker
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To: DevSix

There's no question the Big 12 South was a monster of a division (5 teams ranked in top 25 for a good part of the year -- I think all 5 are in the top 35 of at least some computers), but Cal struggled in only 2 games: a loss to the number one team in the country that they were competitive in, and another game to a 5-6 Oregon team.

t.u. on the other hand wasn't competitive with OU in the least, should have lost to KU, struggled against Mizzou, and was down at halftime to OkSU (big) and A&M. They won both games with great second half performances, but both teams completely collapsed and didn't even put up a fight.

I can't understand how a ten point win on the road against a 6-5 team can cause anyone to drop.


23 posted on 12/05/2004 8:19:12 PM PST by 1L
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To: pete anderson

Cal is out, but Pitt is in?



Good Lord, the BCS sucks.


24 posted on 12/05/2004 8:20:20 PM PST by Petronski (WARNING: Persons denying the existence of Robots may be Robots themselves.)
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To: pete anderson

Here's what I would do: The AD of Cal and Auburn get together and hammer out a game after the season. Neutral site, highest bidder among all networks get the game. They get the cash, NCAA gets the finger, and we get one more great game.


25 posted on 12/05/2004 8:21:49 PM PST by lawnguy (Those who beat their swords into plow shares, are destined to be ruled by those who don't.)
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To: Doug Fiedor

Michigan v.Cal would be good. Two leftie schools banging each other in California. Perfect. That said, PAC-10 is the Rodney Dangerfield of BCS conferences.


26 posted on 12/05/2004 8:22:18 PM PST by j_tull (The Master Playwright urges you to play Right!)
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To: Doug Fiedor

yES!


27 posted on 12/05/2004 8:22:58 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: pete anderson

If we are going to talk about "who's left out", we have to rank Auburn as the one left out in the cold.

Winning fourteen games in a row - going back to last season... Beating four teams ranked in the top ten when they played them - like LSU, co-national champion...allowing only one rushing touchdown all season until the SEC Championship last night...scoring on their opening drive in every game but one...truly a special team.

The BCS critics have predicted something like this would happen, but every year the supporters say that by season's end, everybody will lose at least one game. It didn't happen, and there is no playoff system to resolve the dispute...and the BCS Gods still rule NCAA Football.

Bring on the playoffs!!!


28 posted on 12/05/2004 8:23:47 PM PST by Rhetorical pi2
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To: pete anderson
In my opinion, the time to complain about the system and your bowl selection is AFTER you win your bowl game. If Texas Tech comes in and thumps Cal they will have deserved to be left out of the Rose Bowl.
29 posted on 12/05/2004 8:24:04 PM PST by martinidon (Bush won sKerry lost and Soro's is out 100 plus million for nothing!)
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To: pete anderson
In my opinion, the time to complain about the system and your bowl selection is AFTER you win your bowl game. If Texas Tech comes in and thumps Cal they will have deserved to be left out of the Rose Bowl.
30 posted on 12/05/2004 8:24:04 PM PST by martinidon (Bush won sKerry lost and Soro's is out 100 plus million for nothing!)
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To: 1L
There's no question the Big 12 South was a monster of a division (5 teams ranked in top 25 for a good part of the year

Agree with about everything you said in your post but the above statement - I simply think the Big 12 teams were over-ranked from the begining....thus continually helping them in the polls as the season went -

But completely agree - how you win by 10 on the road and drop is crazy (CAL) -

31 posted on 12/05/2004 8:24:24 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: andrew2527
That sounds like a typically idiotic statement from some biased college football fan from east of the Divide. So what if Cal didn't win the Pac-10? Texas didn't win the Big-12 either! Put your unbiased goggles on and look at both teams...Aaron Rodgers is a 1st round pick and the Cal offense is a 2-dimensional wonder. Texas couldn't pass gas, much less a football. Who's whining? It certainly isn't Cal...Mack Brown has been whining for the past 2 weeks and evidently it paid off. Maybe after this season, the Pac-10 will tell the BCS and everybody else to go screw themselves. The Pac-10 should tell everybody that if their league champion goes to the BCS championship, then their league runnerup will go to the Rose Bowl. Cal got screwed worse than USC did last year. Yet, in both years, both Pac-10 schools reacted with complete class. Unlike, Texas and Auburn...neither team could hold USC's, Oklahoma's or Cal's jock strap.
32 posted on 12/05/2004 8:24:53 PM PST by doctor noe
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To: Rhetorical pi2

Without Question Auburn got shafted. I think they are better than USC.


33 posted on 12/05/2004 8:24:54 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: Rhetorical pi2
To follow up what I said before in an earlier post on this thread . . .

Any team that comes out of the SEC at 12-0 should practically be given the national title without even playing for it in a bowl game.

34 posted on 12/05/2004 8:25:45 PM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: pete anderson

Hook 'em


35 posted on 12/05/2004 8:26:01 PM PST by dmc8576 (High School Students for Bush - 325 members ....Students for Kerry - 20 members. ENOUGH SAID!!!)
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To: pete anderson
Sep 4 at #72 Air Force W, 56-14
Sep 11 vs #83 New Mexico State W, 41-14
Oct 2 at #23 Oregon State W, 49-7
Oct 9 at #1 Southern California L, 23-17
Oct 16 vs #31 UCLA W, 45-28
Oct 23 at #74 Arizona W, 38-0
Oct 30 vs #14 Arizona State W, 27-0
Nov 6 vs #51 Oregon W, 28-27
Nov 13 at #102 Washington W, 42-12
Nov 20 vs #58 Stanford W, 41-6
Dec 4 at #63 Southern Miss W, 26-16

Hmm...2-1 against the top 25. And 26-16 against a #63 team is thoroughly unimpressive. A one-pont win hosting the #51 team is perhaps worse.

36 posted on 12/05/2004 8:26:33 PM PST by dufekin (Four more years! Liberals, learn: whiners are losers every time.)
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To: martinidon
If Texas Tech comes in and thumps Cal they will have deserved to be left out of the Rose Bowl.

Does that mean I have to cheer for the Sand Aggies?

37 posted on 12/05/2004 8:27:04 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: pete anderson

What do you expect when you have an athletic competition decided by an opinion poll. Asinine.


38 posted on 12/05/2004 8:27:36 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: dmc8576

Ook'em.


39 posted on 12/05/2004 8:27:36 PM PST by txhurl
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To: j_tull
Michigan v.Cal would be good. Two leftie schools banging each other in California.

I'm a Michigan grad and left handed, but that doesn't make me or the football team lefties:)

40 posted on 12/05/2004 8:28:19 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: pete anderson

"Baylor is tough."

Yes, they whipped Texas A&M this year.


41 posted on 12/05/2004 8:29:05 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: pete anderson
what's the point of the bcs if all that matters is figuring out the top two teams? why is #3 playing #8? how dumb is that? they ought to play the entire football season as a single loss elimination tournament... you lose yer first game of the year?--season over ... that oughtta leave the best two teams preening


42 posted on 12/05/2004 8:29:08 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (Good ol' Coney Island College. Go WhiteFish. / pay no attention to the primedial newscasts)
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To: Glock17

"The Big 12 South makes PAC 10 look like high school football."

You got that right. The Big 12 South is brutal !!


43 posted on 12/05/2004 8:29:08 PM PST by Peace will be here soon (Don`t support communism. Look for the Made in the USA label. And stay out of the WalMart.)
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To: Dolphy

The team? No, of course not. The school? Without question.


44 posted on 12/05/2004 8:30:20 PM PST by j_tull (The Master Playwright urges you to play Right!)
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To: DevSix

A&M wasn't ranked early. Neither was OkSU or tech if I recall correctly, or if they were it was right around 25. OU was top 3 and t.u. was top 10, and both lived up to that. So, in that respect, none were overranked at any time, and 4 moved up in their ranking. Now, OU goes NC game, t.u. goes Rose Bowl, A&M Cotton, tech Holiday, and OkSU Alamo Bowl. Can you name 5 teams out of any division, much less conference, with as high of Bowls?

The point about Cal can easily be made, but the South wasn't overrated.


45 posted on 12/05/2004 8:31:45 PM PST by 1L
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To: pete anderson

The fourth-ranked Golden Bears will be stuck at the Holiday Bowl while Texas plays in the Rose Bowl.

Since the Holiday Bowl has had teams like Ohio St. and
other majoy teams and big names who now in the NFL,
I think it is the Holiday Bowl who is stuck with little
Cal.

BTW I would rather be stuck in San Diego rather than LA


46 posted on 12/05/2004 8:31:47 PM PST by SoCalPol (Hey Chirac, Call Germany Next Time. They Know The Way To Paris)
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To: Max Combined

I wouldn't call a one point win in OT a "whipping," but it is true they won.


47 posted on 12/05/2004 8:32:51 PM PST by 1L
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To: dufekin
I know the system is screwed. However, Texas did play three ranked teams.
48 posted on 12/05/2004 8:32:58 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: pete anderson
Last year, USC whipped the dogjam out of Auburn. It can be said that Auburn is improved this year and USC is not as good as they were last year. Too bad we'll never find out. One thing is certain...USC will beat the living pulp out of that allegedly 2-dimensional Oklahoma team. Good grief, who couldn't pass for 300 yards per game against the competition that Oklahoma faced this year? As for the SEC...it's certainly a solid conference but everybody seems to overrate it this year. All the conferences seemed to have off years this season. Despite the piss-poor BCS system, the 2 best teams did rise to the top this season. Here's to a hell of an Orange Bowl game!
49 posted on 12/05/2004 8:33:45 PM PST by doctor noe
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To: 1L
Come on if Baylor stays within 14 points of you it is called a "Whipping."

But I guess the Aggies will take what they can get.

50 posted on 12/05/2004 8:35:29 PM PST by pete anderson
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