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Cal angry, frustrated after Texas takes Rose Bowl spot
AP via yahoo ^ | 12/5/04 | GREG BEACHAM,

Posted on 12/05/2004 7:59:17 PM PST by pete anderson

BERKELEY, Calif. (AP) -- California refused to run up the score or beg for poll votes.

Maybe the Bears should have.

Cal (10-1) was left out of the Bowl Championship Series, denied one of the eight spots in college football's big-money games despite a season of statistical superlatives and dominating victories.

The fourth-ranked Golden Bears will be stuck at the Holiday Bowl while Texas plays in the Rose Bowl.

Cal's Rose Bowl drought reached 46 years despite one of the best regular seasons in school history.

The Bears felt beaten as they left their team meeting. Quarterback Aaron Rodgers saw confusion and disappointment in his teammates when they found out their Rose Bowl dreams were replaced with a trip to San Diego to face Texas Tech.

``It just shows it's a faulty system, and we've got to do something to change it up,'' Rodgers said. ``I bet Auburn is pretty ticked, too. ... Nobody cares about West Coast football, I don't think. I just hope Southern Cal represents us well.''

Texas (10-1) surged past the Bears in the final BCS standings despite Cal's 26-16 road victory over Southern Mississippi on Saturday night. The Longhorns gained points in both polls, and the computer rankings kept Texas well in front of Cal. The Longhorns will face Michigan (9-2) on Jan. 1.

There were dozens of factors in the decision, but the Bears felt they were superior in almost every venue -- except the political arena. Rodgers figured Texas coach Mack Brown's pleading for poll support made a difference, and he was glad Cal coach Jeff Tedford never did likewise.

``I thought it was a little classless how Coach Brown was begging for votes after the (Texas A&M) game,'' Rodgers said. ``I think a team's record and the way you play should speak for itself, and you shouldn't have to complain about the BCS system. Coach Tedford isn't going to, although he's frustrated just like we are. I think we're a bigger team, classier than that.''

Tedford was less emotional than Rodgers, but no less disappointed as he evaluated the Bears' long list of accomplishments.

The only blemish on their record was a six-point loss at top-ranked USC. They beat 10 teams by an average of 23.9 points per game. They were the only school in the nation's top six both in scoring offense and scoring defense.

The Rose Bowl has matched a Big 10 team against a Pac-10 school for decades, and with the Pac-10 champion Trojans headed to the Orange Bowl, Cal hoped to end the conference's longest Rose Bowl drought. Instead, there will be burnt orange in the Pasadena stands.

``I just feel terrible for the alumni and the fans who have waited so long for this,'' Tedford said. ``As a program, we were set on the Rose Bowl. I felt like we did enough to earn that.''

Most of the Bears still were jet-lagged and exhausted after grinding out a victory in Hattiesburg just 18 hours earlier in a game postponed from Sept. 16 by Hurricane Ivan. The late-season road trip provided a national television audience -- but when the Golden Eagles were difficult to put away, it might have swayed some voters away.

And that was baffling to Tedford, who refused to try to score one last touchdown in the waning seconds to pad the score. The Bears also were hurt by a questionable clipping call in the closing minutes, which negated a touchdown run by J.J. Arrington.

Normally, Tedford wouldn't spare a second's thought on such issues -- but in the BCS world, it might have made a difference.

``If yesterday's game was the game that turned anybody's head, then that's sad, because it's about a season,'' Tedford said. ``We're going to keep our same philosophy. It's hard enough just to win games.''


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To: andrew2527

No, it's not that simple.

Cal lost to USC, the number 1 team in the country. Traditionally, the Pac 10 and Big 10 play in the Rose, before the BCS got to it and loused it up.

Stated simply, Texas cried on the kneecaps of the sports writers, and the press being mostly liberal, refused to acknowledge that Cal was a stronger team this year.

By your logic, Texas shouldn't have lost to whoever they lost to this year either.


101 posted on 12/06/2004 6:45:25 AM PST by RinaseaofDs (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.)
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To: AppyPappy; vetvetdoug
I have to agree with AppyPappy on this one. The Hokies have played strong defense throughout the year, stifling Miami in the Orange Bowl last weekend. Of course, I'm not unbiased, but I don't see Auburn running up the score on them at all.
102 posted on 12/06/2004 6:55:07 AM PST by Hokie Bird
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To: j_tull

And it would be a part of a long tradition of Big 10/Pac 10 matchups in the Rose.


103 posted on 12/06/2004 6:56:37 AM PST by RinaseaofDs (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.)
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To: Hokie Bird
But just what would happen if Auburn did just that? Wiped Va Tech off the map without a doubt?
104 posted on 12/06/2004 7:18:17 AM PST by vetvetdoug (In memory of T/Sgt. Secundino "Dean" Baldonado, Jarales, NM-KIA Bien Hoa AFB, RVN 1965)
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To: Binghamton_native
Agree with your general philosophy So, let's go back and just let the media and coaches pick the #1 team. It's not any worse than it is now and at least it is honest if not accurate.
105 posted on 12/06/2004 7:45:08 AM PST by fritzz (Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers)
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To: Glock17
Tech will school Cal.

I'll take some of that action. How much you willing to put up?

106 posted on 12/06/2004 11:22:35 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: vetvetdoug

I don't think it would matter in the end, becuase they would have beaten the #8 team in the country. The Orange Bowl winner will have beaten either the #1 or #2 team in the country. Unfortunately I think Auburn gets the short end of the stick here. Playoff anyone?


107 posted on 12/07/2004 5:36:25 AM PST by Hokie Bird
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To: Hokie Bird
Do you remember Al Kincaid? My little daughter and I had dinner with him about six months ago and didn't have a clue as to his football history. Nice fellow.
108 posted on 12/07/2004 10:00:55 AM PST by vetvetdoug (In memory of T/Sgt. Secundino "Dean" Baldonado, Jarales, NM-KIA Bien Hoa AFB, RVN 1965)
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To: pete anderson
There are letters to the editor in today's San Francisco Chronicle suggesting that the BCS committee is sticking it to Cal because it is located in a blue state.

You can't make this stuff up.

109 posted on 12/07/2004 11:06:54 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: pete anderson
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I still don't understand why collage athletics are televised, much less the bowl system.

110 posted on 12/07/2004 11:09:59 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (I know a greag deal about the Middle East because Ive been raising Arabian horses" Patrick Swazey)
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To: pete anderson

Teams have been getting screwed since long before the BCS was ever conceived. Remember 1994?


111 posted on 12/07/2004 11:19:54 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: pete anderson

The whole bowl system is flawed. When Pitt makes a BCS poll and Nebraska beats them at home...puhleez. Should be: USC v OU; Aub v Tx; CA v Utah. Those would be awesome games. But no, Pitt makes BCS...Auburn, Texas, California, and Utah...all getting screwed.


112 posted on 12/07/2004 11:26:25 AM PST by Paco
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To: Paco
Exactly, but don't blame Texas. If call had squeaked in ahead of UT Texas fans would be scremimg and Cal Fans would be saying the deserved it.

Pit, Va Tech and even UM are questionable entrees. The current system puts no value on strength of Conference. The Big 12 (South)is tough, the SEC is Brutal and the PAC 10 is rough.

The big ten is not what it once was but it will be back. Tell the ACC and Big East to put some real teams on the field and end up in the top Eight in the Rankings to go to a BcS Game.

113 posted on 12/07/2004 11:37:24 AM PST by pete anderson
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To: RinaseaofDs
My only point was that in college football there is one way to control your own destiny: Win every game. All the fuss over texas v. cal overshadows the only team in the nation with a legitimate right to complain: Auburn. Only someone biased towards one of the two at-large contenders would even try to argue that either deserves to be in the Rose Bowl at the expense of the other.
114 posted on 12/07/2004 5:16:19 PM PST by andrew2527
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To: andrew2527

Actually, Utah and Boise State have legitimate rights as well. They had undefeated seasons too.

Boise State should certainly be offered a BCS game over Pitt by your math.

I think that an unbiased person can look at the two losses - Cal's loss to USC in the final play, and Oklahoma's humiliation of Texas 42-0 and come to the rational conclusion that Cal's only loss was so close to being a victory, and against the number 1 team in the country, that Cal should be ranked over Texas. Both polls certainly reflected that.

No, to really screw things up, it takes a computer. Nothing like encoding bias into software to make something really stink.


115 posted on 12/08/2004 6:37:45 AM PST by RinaseaofDs (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Oklahoma beat Texas 12-0. Not really a humiliation.


116 posted on 12/08/2004 12:13:07 PM PST by andrew2527
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To: CatAtomic; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Yeah....this is it.

Thanks.


117 posted on 01/02/2005 5:58:25 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen (#40)
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To: doctor noe
That sounds like a typically idiotic statement from some biased college football fan from east of the Divide. So what if Cal didn't win the Pac-10? Texas didn't win the Big-12 either! Put your unbiased goggles on and look at both teams...Aaron Rodgers is a 1st round pick and the Cal offense is a 2-dimensional wonder. Texas couldn't pass gas, much less a football. Who's whining? It certainly isn't Cal...Mack Brown has been whining for the past 2 weeks and evidently it paid off. Maybe after this season, the Pac-10 will tell the BCS and everybody else to go screw themselves. The Pac-10 should tell everybody that if their league champion goes to the BCS championship, then their league runnerup will go to the Rose Bowl. Cal got screwed worse than USC did last year. Yet, in both years, both Pac-10 schools reacted with complete class. Unlike, Texas and Auburn...neither team could hold USC's, Oklahoma's or Cal's jock strap.

Yeah, right.

118 posted on 01/02/2005 6:01:12 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen (#40)
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To: GSWarrior; Glock17
Tech will school Cal

I'll take some of that action. How much you willing to put up?

Just wondering how much you lost Warrior?

119 posted on 01/02/2005 8:23:22 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (The Big 12 rocks!)
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To: Vigilantcitizen

Glad you found your thread -


120 posted on 01/02/2005 8:28:40 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (The Big 12 rocks!)
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To: pete anderson

Given that Cal got beat and beat resoundly should put this debate to rest about whether they should have been in the Rose Bowl.


121 posted on 01/02/2005 8:30:29 AM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Captain Peter Blood

And might I add that Texas gave us an all too rare - exciting - Rose Bowl game.


122 posted on 01/02/2005 8:54:36 AM PST by norton
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Ooops.


123 posted on 01/02/2005 4:58:54 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: Vigilantcitizen; WestCoastGal

I think they don't like the fact that UT snagged the 1st of the NEW Rose Bowl trophies and brought it back here to TEXAS < /snicker, snicker >

I'm just waiting for Racin' to start up again


124 posted on 01/02/2005 6:40:38 PM PST by ChefKeith (If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled?)
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To: ChefKeith
LOVE YOU


125 posted on 01/02/2005 6:48:53 PM PST by WestCoastGal ("If you can't run with the big dogs, you'd better go sit on the porch." (Daytona 48 days);-)
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To: Vigilantcitizen

My newly purchased 10-gallon hat is off to Mack Brown and his Longhorns. I hope Pete Carroll/Norm Chow are preparing USC a hell of a lot better than Jeff Tedford prepared his Bears.


126 posted on 01/02/2005 6:57:12 PM PST by doctor noe
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To: ChefKeith
I think they don't like the fact that UT snagged the 1st of the NEW Rose Bowl trophies and brought it back here to TEXAS < /snicker, snicker >

excellent observation! It's not just any old Rose Bowl that the Longhorns won, they did a "veni vidi vici" on their first try and brought the ultimate PAC-10 prize(collectible first edition) home to the Big 12.

All your trophies are belong to us~!

127 posted on 01/03/2005 10:12:30 AM PST by CatAtomic (,,,,)
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To: ThreeYearLurker
Texas always chokes the big games.

You have a current opinion?

128 posted on 01/03/2005 10:18:24 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (Redneck from a red city, in a red county, in a red state.)
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To: martinidon
If Texas Tech comes in and thumps Cal they will have deserved to be left out of the Rose Bowl.

;-)

129 posted on 01/03/2005 10:20:30 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (Redneck from a red city, in a red county, in a red state.)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

Should have put money on it :)


130 posted on 01/03/2005 7:09:13 PM PST by martinidon (Bush won sKerry lost and Soro's is out 100 plus million for nothing!)
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To: pete anderson

If they wanted an invite, they should have played better.


131 posted on 01/03/2005 7:13:50 PM PST by Navy Patriot (I'm gonna hear it for this.)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

GO SC!!!!


132 posted on 01/04/2005 10:41:40 AM PST by ThreeYearLurker
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To: pete anderson
``I think a team's record and the way you play should speak for itself, and you shouldn't have to complain about the BCS system. "

So when will they stop complaining?

133 posted on 01/04/2005 10:47:21 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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