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Cal angry, frustrated after Texas takes Rose Bowl spot
AP via yahoo ^ | 12/5/04 | GREG BEACHAM,

Posted on 12/05/2004 7:59:17 PM PST by pete anderson

BERKELEY, Calif. (AP) -- California refused to run up the score or beg for poll votes.

Maybe the Bears should have.

Cal (10-1) was left out of the Bowl Championship Series, denied one of the eight spots in college football's big-money games despite a season of statistical superlatives and dominating victories.

The fourth-ranked Golden Bears will be stuck at the Holiday Bowl while Texas plays in the Rose Bowl.

Cal's Rose Bowl drought reached 46 years despite one of the best regular seasons in school history.

The Bears felt beaten as they left their team meeting. Quarterback Aaron Rodgers saw confusion and disappointment in his teammates when they found out their Rose Bowl dreams were replaced with a trip to San Diego to face Texas Tech.

``It just shows it's a faulty system, and we've got to do something to change it up,'' Rodgers said. ``I bet Auburn is pretty ticked, too. ... Nobody cares about West Coast football, I don't think. I just hope Southern Cal represents us well.''

Texas (10-1) surged past the Bears in the final BCS standings despite Cal's 26-16 road victory over Southern Mississippi on Saturday night. The Longhorns gained points in both polls, and the computer rankings kept Texas well in front of Cal. The Longhorns will face Michigan (9-2) on Jan. 1.

There were dozens of factors in the decision, but the Bears felt they were superior in almost every venue -- except the political arena. Rodgers figured Texas coach Mack Brown's pleading for poll support made a difference, and he was glad Cal coach Jeff Tedford never did likewise.

``I thought it was a little classless how Coach Brown was begging for votes after the (Texas A&M) game,'' Rodgers said. ``I think a team's record and the way you play should speak for itself, and you shouldn't have to complain about the BCS system. Coach Tedford isn't going to, although he's frustrated just like we are. I think we're a bigger team, classier than that.''

Tedford was less emotional than Rodgers, but no less disappointed as he evaluated the Bears' long list of accomplishments.

The only blemish on their record was a six-point loss at top-ranked USC. They beat 10 teams by an average of 23.9 points per game. They were the only school in the nation's top six both in scoring offense and scoring defense.

The Rose Bowl has matched a Big 10 team against a Pac-10 school for decades, and with the Pac-10 champion Trojans headed to the Orange Bowl, Cal hoped to end the conference's longest Rose Bowl drought. Instead, there will be burnt orange in the Pasadena stands.

``I just feel terrible for the alumni and the fans who have waited so long for this,'' Tedford said. ``As a program, we were set on the Rose Bowl. I felt like we did enough to earn that.''

Most of the Bears still were jet-lagged and exhausted after grinding out a victory in Hattiesburg just 18 hours earlier in a game postponed from Sept. 16 by Hurricane Ivan. The late-season road trip provided a national television audience -- but when the Golden Eagles were difficult to put away, it might have swayed some voters away.

And that was baffling to Tedford, who refused to try to score one last touchdown in the waning seconds to pad the score. The Bears also were hurt by a questionable clipping call in the closing minutes, which negated a touchdown run by J.J. Arrington.

Normally, Tedford wouldn't spare a second's thought on such issues -- but in the BCS world, it might have made a difference.

``If yesterday's game was the game that turned anybody's head, then that's sad, because it's about a season,'' Tedford said. ``We're going to keep our same philosophy. It's hard enough just to win games.''


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To: j_tull

I was just teasing. Believe me, I know the politics at the University of Michigan. They didn't make them mine.


51 posted on 12/05/2004 8:39:08 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: Peace will be here soon
"The Big 12 South is brutal !!"

But Southern Cal cheerleaders rule!
52 posted on 12/05/2004 8:39:34 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: 1L
but Cal struggled in only 2 games: a loss to the number one team in the country that they were competitive in, and another game to a 5-6 Oregon team.

Did you see the game last night against Southern Miss? They struggled all night to break away. Southern Miss was just one extra point away from tieing the game with just over five minutes left.

53 posted on 12/05/2004 8:41:47 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: pete anderson
09/04    North Texas       ( 71 7-4  )   65- 0
09/11 at Arkansas          ( 39 5-6  )   22-20
09/25    Rice              ( 97 3-8  )   35-13
10/02    Baylor            ( 81 3-8  )   44-14 
10/09 vs Oklahoma          (  2 12-0 )    0-12 (Dallas TX) 
10/16    Missouri          ( 64 5-6  )   28-20 
10/23 at Texas Tech        ( 21 7-4  )   51-21 
10/30 at Colorado          ( 29 7-5  )   31- 7 
11/06    Oklahoma St       ( 20 7-4  )   56-35 
11/13 at Kansas            ( 54 4-7  )   27-23 
11/26    Texas A&M         ( 15 7-4  )   26-13  
01/01 vs Michigan          ( 18 9-2  )         (Pasadena CA)

That makes #5 Texas 3-1-1 against the top 21. Five of six Big 12 south teams rank among those top 21.

54 posted on 12/05/2004 8:41:54 PM PST by dufekin (Four more years! Liberals, learn: whiners are losers every time.)
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To: pete anderson

I hope they get mad enough to run up the score on ttech, which is ironically a team that has no problems with doing just that to other teams.


55 posted on 12/05/2004 8:43:03 PM PST by Vortex (Garbage in, Garbage Out)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Yes, I did see the game. It was a 10 point win on the road to a 6-5 team.

I'm not trying to crown Cal National champs, but if you read the rest of my post, you would see where t.u. struggled. They should have lost to KANSAS! If you want to talk about this "5 minutes left" nonsense, explain that one away.


56 posted on 12/05/2004 8:44:36 PM PST by 1L
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To: pete anderson
The BSc needs to be replaced by a playoff. No other sport is played on a computer except College FB.

Pray for W and Our Troops

57 posted on 12/05/2004 8:44:46 PM PST by bray (Time to Gloat!!)
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To: usadave
Response off topic

I could care less...

....that idiotic phrase grates on me every time I hear or read it.

I like your reaction.....better than mine, which is to ridicule and harangue.

58 posted on 12/05/2004 8:44:52 PM PST by Banjoguy ("The business of the Church is business"......)
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To: pete anderson

I miss the SWC (Royal and Broyles, Teaff, Bellard, Stallings etc.)and knew several of the 69' Texas players. The South Big 12 and the SEC are equal IMHO this year. Miami and FSU are having off years but they are never off for more than a couple of years. Auburn is getting the shaft but Oklahoma and USC will be an eye opener as to who is for real. I would bet on another co-championship if Auburn thrashes Va Tech and the National Championship game is a snoozer.


59 posted on 12/05/2004 8:46:00 PM PST by vetvetdoug (In memory of T/Sgt. Secundino "Dean" Baldonado, Jarales, NM-KIA Bien Hoa AFB, RVN 1965)
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To: pete anderson

When the #4 team in the country in both major polls does not get a bid to any major bowl something is seriously wrong. They were, after all, one short pass away from an undefeated season, and that just barely defeat was on the road against USC.

Regarding the Rose Bowl, now, will anyone go? Who?


60 posted on 12/05/2004 8:47:43 PM PST by troglodyte (troglodyte)
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To: pete anderson

Where is the press outrage over the higher rated Cal team being omitted from a BCS game? This is the same circumstance as last season, only it involves a game other than the so-called national championship game. Both the AP and Coaches voters considered Cal better than Texas why aren't they as upset as last year when they cried about USC being excluded from the Sugar Bowl? Just because the stakes are slightly less it doesn't change the principle issue.

Oh, I forgot. The press doesn't care about principles. They just care about what is "newsworthy", i.e. sells.


61 posted on 12/05/2004 8:50:38 PM PST by Poodlebrain
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To: 1L
They should have lost to KANSAS!

They should have. The officials gave Kansas a bogus offensive pass interference penalty that destroyed their last drive and forced them to punt. On the other hand, the Kansas defence seemed overmatched. They were unable to stop t.u.'s last drive. They coundn't prevent any t.u. receiver from going out of bounds even if they hit them five yards away from the sideline.

62 posted on 12/05/2004 8:51:58 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: pete anderson

California whine?? It was Texas that whined their way into the Rose Bowl. I'll be at the Rose Bowl game, and would much prefer to see a PAC10 team instead of Texas. The damned BCS has drained much of the aura of the Rose Bowl, playing there has been the dream of midwestern kids for generations. But, the Rose Parade & Michigan still will make for an enjoyable trip from FL.


63 posted on 12/05/2004 8:53:20 PM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: DevSix

It's a whole new year, and through the front door this time. Stand by to be ran over.


64 posted on 12/05/2004 8:55:34 PM PST by Glock17 (Aim Center Mass)
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To: pete anderson; TexasCowboy; Flyer; bobbyd; Eaker; Humidston; Allegra; Xenalyte; humblegunner; ...
George Bush reelected; Texas redistricts and get a Republican majority in our Congressional delegation; Tom DeLay is still majority leader in the House; Armstrong wins a record Tour; Texas goes to the Rose Bowl.

Good year to be a Texan .... then again aren't they all!

65 posted on 12/05/2004 8:58:29 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (May God Bless the President)
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To: ThreeYearLurker

You have a point, Mack usually gags on the big ones. I think if it were a regular season game w/o bowl implications the whorns would be a 3 point favorite over USC. IMHO.


66 posted on 12/05/2004 8:58:45 PM PST by Glock17 (Aim Center Mass)
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To: diogenes ghost
The Rose Bowl was open to all before the contract between the Big Ten and the PAC. I remember seeing Tennessee having a Rose Bowl Trophy in their Honors Case while at Tennessee.
67 posted on 12/05/2004 8:59:32 PM PST by vetvetdoug (In memory of T/Sgt. Secundino "Dean" Baldonado, Jarales, NM-KIA Bien Hoa AFB, RVN 1965)
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To: 1L
Texas AM, OK State and Tech Tex are all over ranked - Period. And AM was ranked in the top 20 at the start of the season - (and I think Oklahoma State was in the top 25 as well) - But the fact remains that Tech Tex, OK State and Texas AM are all over ranked now (and that is the most important aspect) -

There are four or five schools in the Big Ten and SEC alone that probably beat all three of those teams - (Mich, OSU, Wis, Iowa and MSU....FLA, Auburn, TN, Ark and LSU) -

68 posted on 12/05/2004 8:59:45 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: vetvetdoug
Oh yes the SWC. For a while their is was more of a Organized Crime Syndicate than a Football Conference.

But SMU has to be the All Time SWC Champion. The Governor of the State of Texas was paying off the players.

Classic!

69 posted on 12/05/2004 9:00:33 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: pete anderson

Cal should stop whining about UT. They real farce is Pittsburgh and to a lesser extent Michigan. The BCS should take the top 8 teams and pair them off. The conference ties should be severed. It would gurantee 4 great games.

I think it's a shame Utah is playing worthless Pitt. We will never know how good the Utes are. It would have been great if they played Cal or UT.


70 posted on 12/05/2004 9:00:39 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: diogenes ghost
You should try some Texas Whine the Hill Country,

2003 was a Vintage Year.

71 posted on 12/05/2004 9:02:24 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: pete anderson

"Same thing happened to Texas last year."

Yeah, same thing. And Texas, in usual overrated Big 12 fashion, came out to play an underrated Washington State team and got your ass handed to you out here. Texas acted like they had never seen a legitimate blitz, and your quarterback spent the whole game running around and getting buried. Texas was completely overmatched by Washington State. It doesn't add up that you guys were screwed last year. You were overrated, just like Oklahoma was, as was the rest of your conference that went, what, 2-5 in the bowls?


72 posted on 12/05/2004 9:02:25 PM PST by raptor29
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Good year to be a Texan .... then again aren't they all!

If only the Astros had won game six or seven, it would have been perfect.

73 posted on 12/05/2004 9:04:02 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: pete anderson
I had some Val Verde Chardonnay from last year; I shared it with one of my friends and it ended our friendship.
74 posted on 12/05/2004 9:05:39 PM PST by vetvetdoug (In memory of T/Sgt. Secundino "Dean" Baldonado, Jarales, NM-KIA Bien Hoa AFB, RVN 1965)
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To: Maynerd
If only the Astros had won game six or seven, it would have been perfect.

I have always thought that the Astros were the burden the Lord puts upon us for allowing us to live in His state.

75 posted on 12/05/2004 9:13:03 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (May God Bless the President)
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To: DevSix

>>And AM was ranked in the top 20 at the start of the season<<

A&M received 5 votes in the coaches poll at the start of the season, ranking them somewhere around 56. They received 3 votes in the writers poll, ranking them somewhere around 49. You can go to this link to verify my info: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankings?poll=1&week=1.

>>Oklahoma State was in the top 25 as well<<

OkSU was also in the "receiving votes" category of both polls, but was ahead of A&M

Please don't get on here and make things up.

>>But the fact remains that Tech Tex, OK State and Texas AM are all over ranked now<<

Actually, they probably aren't overranked.

None of the rest of your arguments are supportable in the least.


76 posted on 12/05/2004 9:19:53 PM PST by 1L
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Texas goes to the Rose Bowl.

YEAH!! Hook 'em Horns! And I detest Michigan, so this one will be fun.

And I'll be home to watch it!

77 posted on 12/05/2004 9:21:48 PM PST by Allegra (14 days until I'm home!)
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To: DevSix
there's a lot of talk of the Pac 10 leaving the BCS for good now.....the Pac has gotten screwed three years running ...( Usc, and Oregon, in past years)

we'll just take our stinking money and keep the Rose Bowl for ourselves....

I think Utah got the shaft, too....

78 posted on 12/05/2004 9:23:06 PM PST by cherry
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To: Dan from Michigan

Let's shorten the regular season and expand the post-season.


79 posted on 12/05/2004 9:23:44 PM PST by gortklattu (check out thotline dot com)
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To: Glock17

Ain't nobody gonna beat USC!
Too much talent,way too much talent!
Can't wait to see the games!


80 posted on 12/05/2004 9:25:25 PM PST by jamndad5
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To: vetvetdoug

Sorry, vetvetdoug, your memory fails you. Tennessee has never won the Rose Bowl, but they did LOSE it twice. The Big 10/PAC 10 agreement ran from 1947 until the BCS screwed it up, along with other traditional bowl pairings. The BCS has not improved upon the old method of using one or two polls to determine Nat'l Champs. If it did, we would not be hearing arguments every year about some school getting shafted.


81 posted on 12/05/2004 9:25:42 PM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: pete anderson

A typical response from another UC Bears fan. Coochee, cochee , cooo. HOOK'EM HORNS!!!

82 posted on 12/05/2004 9:26:17 PM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: cspackler
The big money guys have "jimmied" the college football system to the point now that I refuse to follow the teams. The dollars that have been introduced into college level football in the last two decades has turned the sport into nothing more than Junior Pro Ball. Totally out of control.

For a gent who played for Ara at Miami, Ohio in '52 and '53, and had the privilege of working in a college cafeteria for my room and board, the present system is shameful in the extreme.

To He** with it.
83 posted on 12/05/2004 10:06:31 PM PST by dk/coro
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To: pete anderson
Cal's Rose Bowl drought reached 46 years despite one of the best regular seasons in school history...

Yes, that's right. Thanks for the memory.

My fiance and I were planning to get married at Christmas and attend the Rose bowl on our honeymoon in 1958-9 because my school (Cal) was going to play his school(Northwestern). At the last minute Northwestern lost its chance for a berth at the Rose Bowl and Michigan played instead. We postponed our wedding until the end of my semester (January 30) as a result and honeymooned in Wisconsin.

We're still married and will celebrate our 46th anniversary February 7 (and, by coincidence, now we live in Wisconsin).

84 posted on 12/05/2004 10:10:11 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: 1L
Actually, they probably aren't overranked.

Get out of town - $$ talk and WI, OSU, LSU, MI, IA, TN, Auburn, VA Tech would all be favored over Texas AM, Tech Tech and Oklahoma State in Vegas - And that is the bottom-line...(they are most certainly over-ranked) - You don't follow lines in Vegas at all to even suggest otherwise - You'd be giving 6 to 10 pts ...period.

85 posted on 12/05/2004 10:16:37 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: Maynerd

Finally, someone mentions the team that really got screwed, except for their at least being in the BCS bowl system, instead of outside looking in. It took 11 wins and an unbeaten season to do it. Now we can hope the Utes don't choke on pitt, and remain unbeaten while the rest of the unbeaten are beaten. Not sure if any unbeaten are playing unbeaten in bowl games.


86 posted on 12/05/2004 10:41:43 PM PST by wita
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To: j_tull; Dolphy
The team? No, of course not. The school? Without question.

Quite a few conservatives came out of my class at Michigan.

87 posted on 12/05/2004 10:51:12 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps.)
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To: fritzz

Here is the basic problem with the BCS. There are 4 or maybe 5 historically important bowl games: Orange, Sugar, Cotton, Rose, and in recent years Fiesta. So, one might think that the 8-10 slots in these games would be filled by the 8-10 top BCS teams. However, if you are a West Coast team this will never happen. Your only chance is the Rose Bowl, or whichever bowl hosts the 1-2 teams if you are #1 or #2. Why? Follow the money trail. The bowl committees know that they will sell more tickets if the schools involved are fairly close to the site of the game. It is 1500-3000 miles for West Coast fans to all of the top games other than the Rose Bowl and the Fiesta bowl. Hence, you will not see a good West coast team invited to the Orange, Sugar, or Cotton bowls, unless under the circumstances described above.

I think Cal got screwed, and I'm a Stanford alum.


88 posted on 12/05/2004 10:59:17 PM PST by Binghamton_native
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To: doctor noe
The SEC has five teams ranked among the top 20 in the country, including Auburn (3), Georgia (8), LSU (12), Tennessee (15), and Florida (20). That's pretty remarkable . . . 1 out of every 4 teams in the Top 20 are from the SEC.

In addition to that, consider the teams in the conference -- including Georgia and LSU (both 9-2), Florida (7-4) and even Alabama (6-5) who finished the season with all of their losses to other teams in the conference.

That's what makes the SEC such a tough conference. All the good teams seem to beat each other every year, and the top-ranked team in the conference usually finishes the season with one loss.

89 posted on 12/06/2004 3:53:48 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: diogenes ghost
I did see a Rose Bowl Trophy. I think even the loser got a trophy. I didn't say they won, I just saw the trophy. My memory was correct about the trophy, I didn't say they won.
90 posted on 12/06/2004 5:16:48 AM PST by vetvetdoug (In memory of T/Sgt. Secundino "Dean" Baldonado, Jarales, NM-KIA Bien Hoa AFB, RVN 1965)
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To: Binghamton_native
I think Cal got screwed, but it was either going to be them or Texas. But either was more deserving of a BCS bowl than Michigan who lost its last game and had two losses during the season. And don't get me started about Pitt.

Really, there is only one solution to the BCS mess. Let ME pick the bowl matchups.

92 posted on 12/06/2004 6:22:23 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Arkinsaw

Like I said before, they decide champions in Division I-A the same way they decide who wins in Figure Skating. Might as well have the judges after every game hold up cards with the number of "style points." I would have given USC a "4.5" for their win over UCLA.


93 posted on 12/06/2004 6:25:06 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: vetvetdoug
I would bet on another co-championship if Auburn thrashes Va Tech and the National Championship game is a snoozer.

Not a chance. VT is #9. And I don't think Auburn will thrash the Hokies. Too much defense.

94 posted on 12/06/2004 6:25:47 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Maynerd
The conference ties should be severed. It would gurantee 4 great games.

I disagree. The conf champs gives teams that play tough schedules. That's why I think Auburn should be in the big game. If you are undefeated in the SEC, you should play for the big game.

95 posted on 12/06/2004 6:27:24 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Dog Gone
I think Cal got screwed, but it was either going to be them or Texas.

Texas will bring more eyeballs to the TV screen than Cal, so the result was perhaps predictable. Got to keep those advertisers happy. ;)

96 posted on 12/06/2004 6:32:11 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Allegra
And I detest Michigan, so this one will be fun.

I also detest Michigan, but I'll be rooting for them this year after what the BCS did to Cal. I hope the PAC-10 does pull out of the BCS.

97 posted on 12/06/2004 6:38:15 AM PST by saminfl
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To: pete anderson

One of the reasons I like I-AA football better than the Big Guys.

They have a playoff system. How novel!!

IMO, I-A football will continue to be a laughing stock as long as a computer decides who's the champion. Sorry to break it to all you college football fans, but the titles are meaningless. Thanks to the BCS, we'll never know who is really #1.


98 posted on 12/06/2004 6:38:22 AM PST by Hoodlum91
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To: Maynerd

Don't knock Michigan too much. Michigan has won more games than any other team in the history of football and also has the highest winning percentage.


99 posted on 12/06/2004 6:41:33 AM PST by Edmund Burke
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To: Mr. Jeeves
The effect on the Big 12 is a huge financial windfall. Not only is the Rose Bowl payout going to that conference instead of the Pac-10, but A&M got bumped up to the Cotton Bowl and Tech to the Holiday Bowl.
100 posted on 12/06/2004 6:44:35 AM PST by Dog Gone
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