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To: Tares; CyberCowboy777

Tares:

There's no use splitting hairs about which comes first, repentance or new heart. People have argued that for centuries. My personal view is the reformed position.

Regardless, the point CyberCowboy and I made is that the result of new heart / repentance or repentance / new heart is a love for God and desire and ability to walk in his ways.

Read the verses you posted on the new convenant...

"And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

It's quite clear that in normal cases there should be some visible evidence of this new heart. Let's not paint everyone as the thief on the cross.

If you walked down the aisle at an evangelistic conference when you were 23 to get hell insurance and then spent the rest of your life living for yourself, did you really receive a new heart?

I suppose that's God's business but where is the "and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

Jesus said "follow me." Paul tells us to examine ourselves to see if we're in the faith.

We're not talking about works salvation here. Salvation is by grace through faith alone. It does have a result though.

- Kevin


124 posted on 12/08/2004 4:32:03 AM PST by ktupper
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To: ktupper; CyberCowboy777
Regardless, the point CyberCowboy and I made is that the result of new heart / repentance or repentance / new heart is a love for God and desire and ability to walk in his ways.

This does not negate the fact that salvation is in fact a "get out of hell free" card.

Jesus said "follow me." Paul tells us to examine ourselves to see if we're in the faith.

We do not examine ourselves by looking for evidence of good works in our lives! How many good works are sufficent evidence? One? Thirtyfold? Sixty? An hundred?

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? - II Corinthians 13:5
The examining criteria is "Is Jesus Christ in me?", not "Have I done many mighty works for Christ?". Believers will claim the blood of Christ on Judgement Day, not their works. This does not negate that the blood of Christ motivates the believers to many mighty works.
137 posted on 12/08/2004 7:07:37 AM PST by Tares
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