Marketing of terrorism through the Internet (Hamas' websites)

Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, C.S.S. ^ | Nov. 2004 | Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center

[JohnathanRGalt]

Special Information Bulletin

Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center at the Center for Special Studies (C.S.S)

November 2004

Marketing of terrorism through the Internet: The marketing of Hamas' messages of hatred and terrorism through an extensive network consisting of approx. 20 active websites. These websites are serviced by various companies worldwide, primarily by East European and East Asian companies (first priority) and US companies (second priority)

The upper part of the main page on Hamas' Izz al-Din al-Qassam website.
The website is serviced by a Malaysian company.

Overview

1.

Palestinian and international terrorist organizations alike make massive use of the Internet as an important means for the uncensored and uncontrolled dissemination of terrorist-supportive propaganda, as well as for maintaining communication between the organizations (and the headquarters) and their infrastructures and target audiences (separated in many cases by geographical distances).

2.

Terrorism marketing through the Internet has become all the more important in the wake of the September 11 terrorist attacks. Using the Internet, the various terrorist organizations are able to sidestep, with relative ease, the impediments imposed on their activities by the world governments (including the American administration) and, unhindered by either effective monitoring or censorship, disseminate their messages while taking advantage of the liberal approach and freedom of expression prevalent in Western countries.

3.

he document aims to examine the Hamas movement's Internet infrastructure as an additional case study ¹ of the marketing of terrorist propaganda through the Internet.

Characteristics of the Hamas movement's Internet infrastructure

4.

The Hamas movement ascribes a high level of importance to spreading its propaganda through the Internet. Over the years, the movement has created an extensive and complex Internet infrastructure (including websites in 7 languages), distributing massive amounts of information both on current happenings as well as on Hamas' fundamental issues. This infrastructure, supported, in our assessment, by significant financial resources, includes approximately 20 active
websites ², placing Hamas at the top of the list of Palestinian terrorist organizations making use of the Internet.

5.

What follows is a list of Hamas' various websites and the present situation as regards the Internet service providers (ISP) used by the organization ³, based on the findings of examinations we have conducted ⁴. The websites are divided into four groups based on our assessment of their relative significance for the Hamas movement.

Characteristics of Hamas' websites: First priority group of websites

 

6.

www.palestine-info.com: The Hamas movement's official and primary website. A news portal in Arabic, it is supported by several secondary websites. It contains information on the Hamas movement and its history, official announcements made by the movement, interviews with Hamas seniors, incitement against Israel and messages praising terrorism and its perpetrators.

7.

The website's manager (and, probably, the manager of other Hamas websites ⁵) is Nizar Hassan Suleiman Hussein, a senior Hamas activist in Lebanon (Beirut). It is our assessment that he is guided by the Hamas leadership in Damascus. His everyday activities include holding contacts with supporting parties abroad, in countries such as the UAE, Sweden and Russia ⁶. His address, according to the whois.net website:

Nizar al-Hussein
P.O. Box 68/25
Beirut, na LB
Tel: +9745829460 ⁷
nizar@palestine-info.com

8.

Palestine-info, the main website, is supported by six secondary websites in different languages ⁸:

1. www.palestine-info.co.uk, the official Hamas website in the English language;

2. www.palestine-info.cc, the official Hamas website in the French language.

3. www.palestine-info.ru , the official Hamas website in the Russian language;

4. www.infopalestina.com , the official Hamas website in the Malay language;

5. www.palestine-info-urdu.com, the official Hamas website in Urdu (the official language of Pakistan ).

6. www.palestine-persian.info, the official Hamas website in Farsi.

9.

The above group of websites, as mentioned, is of prime significance among Hamas' websites. Following are additional groups of websites that can be classified as second, third and fourth priority websites.

1. The second priority group of websites:

   1. www.alqassam.info: This is the official site of the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the Hamas movement's operative-terrorist wing. The website, updated online, distributes video clips (suicide bombers' wills, displays of weaponry), messages issued by the organization and claims of responsibility for acts of terrorism, praise of suicide bombers, and messages of incitement to hatred and the encouragement of terrorism.

   2. www.hamasonline.com: A well-designed English-language website affiliated with Hamas. It is primarily aimed at target audiences abroad. The website, updated online, contains publications on current events, encouragement of terrorism against Israel and praise of suicide bombers

2. Third-priority websites—official publications:

   1. www.fm-m.com: The official website of Hamas' Filastin al-Muslimah, a monthly periodical distributed from London.

   2. www.aqsavoice.com: The website of Al-Aqsa Voice, a radio station associated with Hamas.

   3. www.al-fateh.net: The website of Al-Fateh, a children's magazine associated with Hamas.

   4. www.alresala.org: The website of Al-Resala, a weekly periodical published in Gaza.

   5. www.palestinegallery.com: An official Hamas website containing videos, slideshows and images documenting the jihad (holy war) against Israel.

3. Fourth-priority websites—all the rest:

   1. www.palestinianforum.net: Hamas' official message board website.

   2. www.rantisi.net: A website dedicated to former Hamas leader Abd al-Aziz al-Rantisi.

   3. www.sabiroon.net: A Hamas-associated website dedicated to supporting terrorist operatives, including suicide bombers.

   4. www.alkotla.net: The website of the Islamic Bloc, Hamas' student movement.

   5. www.islamic-block.org: The website of the Hamas-associated student movement in the
      Al-Najah University ⁹

10.

The following conclusions arise from an analysis of Hamas' Internet service providers (as at October 25, 2004):

1. Hamas' primary group of websites (palestine-info) is serviced—directly or through subcontractors—by East European companies: 2 Russian companies and 2 Ukrainian companies. Hamas' second choice for Internet service providers are East Asian companies: a Malaysian company and an Indonesian company. This group of websites is also serviced by an American company and a Dubai company.

2. The second-priority group of websites (alqassam.info, hamasonline) is serviced—directly or through subcontractors—by companies based in Malaysia, UK and the US.

3. The third-priority group of websites (official publications) is serviced—directly or through subcontractors—by four US companies and a Russian company.

4. The fourth-priority group of websites (all the rest) is serviced—directly or through subcontractors—by three companies based in the US and one company based in Singapore.

11.

The analysis of the Internet service providers is an indication, in our assessment, of a deliberate policy of the Hamas movement to avoid storing their first- and second-priority websites on American Internet service providers 10. preferring in most cases to use the services of East European (Russia and Ukraine) and East Asian (Malaysia and Singapore) companies. Such a policy is an indication of Hamas' cautiousness and the movement's desire to preserve the flexibility and survivability of its Internet infrastructure over a prolonged period of time 11. In contrast, Hamas' third- and fourth-priority websites are serviced mostly by American companies, as it is probably Hamas' assessment that the damage inflicted upon the movement in case the websites should be shut down would not be significant.

12.

What follows are brief descriptions of the various websites, including listings of their respective Internet service providers.

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¹ The marketing of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad's messages of terrorism—consult the Information Team's document dated August 2004.
² These websites are of varying levels of association and affiliation with Hamas.
³ “…used by the organization”, i.e. provide it with ISP services.
⁴ In our investigations on the identities of the Internet service providers, we have relied on the Haganah website (haganah.org.il)
and the whois.net website.
⁵ According to the Haganah website, these other websites include al-fateh.net, palestinegallery.com, fm-m.com and palestinianforum.net.
⁶ Ibid .
⁷ While the address is in Lebanon, the telephone number listed is located in the UAE. This is meant, most probably, to turn attention away from Lebanon to the UAE. It is possible that Nizar al-Hussein has an office in the UAE. Worth mentioning in this context is that one of the Internet service providers used by Palestine-info.com is a company based in Dubai (see Appendix A).
⁸ The languages chosen by Hamas may indicate the importance of target audiences in those countries.
⁹ There is an additional website run by the student movement that has not been updated in nearly two years: http://www.khayma.com/majles.
¹⁰ As opposed to the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, whose websites are serviced primarily by American companies.
¹¹ Thus, for example, on October 24, 2004, the manager of the Hamas message board (Hamas' official message board, see Appendix O) announced that the Russian government ordered the immediate shutdown of the server. The manager added that “we are constantly on the lookout for other providers in different locations.”

The primary group of websites (first priority)

Appendix A

Website: http://www.palestine-info.com
(“The Palestinian Information Center”)

Main page

1.

Website description: This is the Hamas movement's official website. The website was founded on November 1, 1998 and began its continuous activity in March 1999. The website is a news portal that contains information on the Hamas movement and its history, official announcements issued by the movement, interviews with the movement's seniors, incitement against Israel, encouragement of terrorism against Israel, praise of terrorists, and articles published by the organization. The website has secondary websites in Arabic, English, French, Russian, Malay, Urdu and Farsi (see below).

2.

IP (Internet Protocol ¹²) address: 62.149.0.195

3.	The ISP (Internet Service Provider): A Ukrainian company. Its address follows: Colocall Ltd Turgenevskaya, 52-58 Kiev Ukraine Tel: +380 44 4617988 Fax: +380 44 4617988 noc@colocall.net

4.

The website is registered in Beirut.

5.

The website has two additional web addresses , each with its own IP address and Internet service provider:

Website: http://www.palestine-info.info IP address: 213.42.17.48

Internet service provider—a company based in Dubai:

Emirates Telecommunications Corporation
P.O. Box 1150
Dubai, UAE
Tel: +971 4 2025510
Fax: +971 4 2948300
abuse@emirates.net.ae

Website: http://www.palestine-info.net IP address: 202.71.103.142

Internet service provider—a Malaysian company:

Telekom Multimedia of Telekom Malaysia Berhad
Telekom Exchange II, Jalan Lingkaran Fauna
6300 Cyberjaya, Selangor
MALAYSIA, MY

6.

It is our belief that due to the significance of the website, Hamas has chosen to host it on three addresses, each with its own Internet service provider, each located in a different country— countries which, in Hamas' assessment, are less vulnerable to American pressure.

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¹² IP is the most common protocol used for the quick and effective transfer of data over computer networks, including the Internet. The IP addresses are used to identify computers or components on the network that use the IP protocol. Therefore, each component is assigned its own unique address.

Appendix B

Website: http://www.palestine-info.co.uk Main page

1.

Website description: Hamas' official website in the English language. The website contains most of the materials that appear on its Arabic version.

2.

IP address: 66.36.240.248

3.	Internet service provider 13—an American company: HopOne Internet Corporation 1010 Wisconsin Avenue N.W. Washington DC 20007 US Tel: +1.2023180530 Fax: +1.2023180530

4.

The website is registered in Qatar.

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¹³ According to the Haganah website only.

Appendix C

Website: http://www.palestine-info.cc Main page

1.

Website description: Hamas' official website in the French language.

2.

IP address: 217.16.25.236 ¹⁴

3.	Internet service provider—a Russian company: Rusonyx. Hosting Service Provider P.O. Box 507 Moscow, Russia, 125057 RU Tel: +7 095 968 70 68 Tel: +7 095 728 87 79 Fax: +7 095 155 36 12 noc@rusonyx.net

4.

The website is registered in Beirut.

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¹⁴ This site has an additional IP address: 84.252.138.236, according to the Haganah website, as at November 7, 2004.

Appendix D

Website: http://www.palestine-info.ru ¹⁵Main page

1.

Website description: Hamas' official website in the Russian language.

2.

IP address: 62.205.179.59

3.	Internet service provider—a Russian company: CORBINA TELECOM Internet Network Operations Ryazanskii pr. 30/15 Moscow Russia, 109428 Tel: +7 095 728 4000 Fax: +7 095 728 4001 noc@corbina.net

¹⁵ As at October 31, 2004, according to the Haganah website.

Appendix E

Website: http://www.infopalestina.com Main page

1.

Website description: Hamas' official website in the Malay language.

2.

IP address: 203.130.232.190

3.	Internet service provider—an Indonesian company: TELKOMNET TELKOMUNIKASI INDONESIA

4.

The website is registered in Jakarta.

Appendix F

Website: http://www.palestine-info-urdu.com Main page

1.

Website description: Hamas' official website in the Urdu language.

2.

IP address: 64.149.0.195

3.	Internet service provider—a Ukrainian company: Colocall Ltd Turgenevskaya, 52-58 Kiev Ukraine Tel: +380 44 4617988 Fax: +380 44 4617988 noc@colocall.net

4.

The website is registered in New Delhi.

Appendix G

Website: http://www.palestine-persian.info Main page

1.

Website description: Hamas' official website in Farsi.

2.

IP address: 195.161.118.181

3.	Internet service provider—a Russian company: AVAGA Software Ltd Network Pervomayskaya, 1 141700, Dolgoprudniy Russia Tel: +7 095 4081172 vladp@avaga.com

The second priority group of websites

Appendix H

Website: http://www.alqassam.info ¹⁶

Main page

1.

Website description: The official website of the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas' operative-terrorist wing. The Hamas movement uses this site to distribute video clips (including the last wills of suicide bombers), displays of new weaponry, and claims of responsibility for terrorist attacks. The website contains statements issued by the organization, information on the organization's activities, information on periodicals and books published by the organization, encouragement of terrorism against Israel, as well as praise of suicide bombers. The website is updated online.

2.

IP address: 202.71.104.198

3.	Internet service provider—a Malaysian company: EASTGATE Telecom Multimedia of Telecom Malaysia Berhad Telecom Exchange II, Jalan Lingkaran Fauna 63000 Cyberjaya, Selagor Malaysia Tel: +630 83180322 Fax: +630 83188061 M_ghaza@tm.net.my

4.

The website is registered in Malaysia.

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¹⁶ Up until July 21, 2004, the website operated at http://alqassam.net.

Appendix I

Website: http://www.hamasonline.com

Main page

1.

Website description: An English-language website associated with Hamas, aimed at target audiences worldwide. The website contains up-to-date publications on current events, encouragement of terrorism against Israel and praise of suicide bombers, and a gallery of posters and photographs. The website is updated online.

2.

IP address: 212.118.243.114

3.	Internet service provider—a British company: InterNAP Network Services U.K. Limited 10 Frith Street London W1D 3JF UK Tel: +44 20 7296 2000 Tel: +1 206 256 9500 Fax: +1 206 264 1833 noc@internaf.com
4.	Host server 17—a Dutch company: 357Hosting Nieuwegein, Utrecht 3430 AR NL [NETHERLAND]

5.

The website has an additional address at http://www.hamasonline.org. This website has a different IP address (67.15.82.156) and a different Internet service provider ¹⁸—an American company:

Everyones Internet, Inc.
2600 Southeast freeway
Houston
TX, US

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¹⁷ The location of the server.
¹⁸ This address is hosted by the same server as the Dutch company 357Hosting in Utrecht (see paragraph 4).

Official publications (third priority)

Appendix J

Website: http://www.fm-m.com

Main page

1.

Website description: The official website of the Hamas' Filastin al-Muslimah, a monthly periodical distributed from London. The periodical covers Hamas' activities and its views, encourages terrorism against Israel and praises suicide bombers.

2.

IP address: 69.93.62.154

3.	Internet service provider—an American company: ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc. 1333 North Stemmons Freeway Dallas TX, US

Appendix K

Website: http://www.aqsavoice.net¹⁹Main page

1.

Website description: The website of Al-Aqsa Voice, a radio station associated with Hamas. It broadcasts from Gaza on 106.7 FM. The website is currently in the process of reconstruction after an Israeli Air Force attack on the station's offices. The website operates an active message board.

2.

IP address: 63.208.120.199

3.	Internet service provider 20—an American company: Co-Location.com Inc. Beverly Hills CA, US

4.

The website is registered in Gaza.

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¹⁹ The website has an additional address: http://www.aqsavoice.com.
²⁰ According to the Haganah website, Co-Location is a client company of the Level3 company.

Appendix L

Website: http://www.al-fateh.net

Main page

1.

Website description: The website of Al-Fateh, a children's magazine associated with Hamas. Since the publication of the first issue in September 2002, 38 issues in all have been published. Illustrations and comic-style photographs adorning the magazine's pages make it appealing to children, its primary target audience. The magazine features stories of battles and heroic tales from the history of Islam, alongside descriptions of terrorist attacks perpetrated by Palestinian shahids.

2.

IP address: 213.234.216.82

3.	Internet service provider—a Russian company: CORBINA TELECOM Internet Network Operations Ryazanskii pr. 30/15 Moscow Russia, 109428 Tel: +7 095 728 4000 Fax: +7 095 728 4001 noc@corbina.net

4.

The website is registered in Beirut.

Education to terrorism: Indoctrination with terrorist-supportive messages
in the Al-Fateh children's magazine

Following is an article that appeared in the magazine and on the magazine's website. It is titled “Last will and testament of a shahid, the last will of the martyr Sa'id Hasan al-Houtari… who carried out the act of suicide in Tel-Aviv that led to the deaths of more than 21 Zionists and one hundred and fifty wounded” (the terrorist attack in question is one of the most murderous suicide bombing attacks perpetrated by Palestinian terrorists—a suicide bombing attack at a teenagers' club near Tel-Aviv's Dolphinarium in which 21 Israeli civilians, mostly teenagers, were killed). The magazine article praises the suicide bomber, turns him into a role model for the children and preaches to carry out additional suicide bombing attacks, based on verses from the Quran 21.

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²¹ For an analysis of messages of hatred and terrorism in the Al-Fateh magazine, see the information bulletin dated October 2004.

Appendix M

Website: http://www.alresalah.org

Main page

1.

Website description: The website of Al-Resalah, a weekly periodical published in Gaza on behalf of the Hamas-associated Islamic Salvation Party. The website contains research articles, background information and publications, primarily targeted against the Palestinian Authority. It is defined as an experimental website.

2.

IP address: 64.49.252.91

3.	Internet service provider—an American company: Rackspace.com San Antonio TX, US

Appendix N

Website: http://www.palestinegallery.com Main page

1.

Website description: An official Hamas website. The website contains video clips, slideshows and images depicting the jihad against Israel.

2.

IP address: 69.94.14.153

3.	Internet service provider—an American company: OLM LLC 4 Trefoil Drive Trumbull CT, US

Additional websites (fourth priority)

Appendix O

Website: http://www.palestinianforum.net Main page

1.

Website description: Hamas' official message board website. It is accessible through a hyperlink on Hamas' main website (www.palestine-info.com). The website contains four discussion boards on politics, culture and history, Islamic religious law, and art. The boards are used by the movement's activists and supporters to express their opinions.

2.

IP address: 195.42.183.35

3.	Internet service provider—a Russian company: DataForce 3 rd Samotechny per. , 11 103473 Moscow, Russia Tel: +7 095 7375667 Fax: +7 095 7373246 info@dataforce.net

4.

The website is registered in Beirut.

Note: On October 24, 2004, a person known as “Tareq”, listed as the general manager of the message board, announced that the website had been shut down. The reason, as he put it, was “an official demand made by the Russian government to the provider to shut down the server immediately.” He added, “Having no other choice, the provider obviously complied with the request. Well, that's what happened and we are constantly on the lookout for other providers in different locations”.

Appendix P

Website: http://www.rantisi.net

Main page

1.

Website description: A website dedicated to former Hamas leader Abd al-Aziz al-Rantisi. The website describes Rantisi's worldview, preaching to jihad (holy war) against Israel.

2.

IP address: 202.157.185.246

3.	Internet service provider—a Singaporean company: WEBVISION Pte Ltd 75 Science Park Drive #02-06/08 Cintech II Singapore Science Park I Singapore 118255 SG Tel: +65 6773 9492 Fax: +65 6773 9389 indra@webvision.com

4.

The website is registered in Gaza.

Appendix Q

Website: http://www.sabiroon.com Main page

1.

Website description: A website associated with the Hamas movement. The website contains coverage of the Palestinian Authority's activities, encouragement of terrorism against Israel, and publications by Hamas seniors and operatives, with special emphasis on Palestinian prisoners held in Israel.

2.

IP address: 64.191.40.165

3.	Internet service provider—an American company: Network Operation Center Inc. (NOC) P.O. Box 591 Scranton PA, US

Appendix R

Website: http://www.alkotla.net (Al-Kutla al-Islamiyya) Main page

1.

Website description: The website of the Islamic Bloc, Hamas' student wing. The website encourages anti-Israeli terrorism and praises suicide bombers.

2.

IP address: 63.208.120.214

3.	Internet service provider—an American company: C0-Location Inc. 333 S. Beverly Drive Suite 204 Beverly Hills CA, US

Appendix S

Website: http://www.islamic-block.org Main page

1.

Website description: The website of the Hamas-associated student movement of the Al-Najah University. The website documents the activities of the students association, encouraging the armed struggle and suicide bombing attacks against Israel.

2.

IP address: 69.56.141.248

3.	Internet service provider—an American company 22: ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc. 1333 North Stemmons Freeway Dallas TX, US

4.

The website is registered in Nablus (where the University of Al-Najah is located).

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²² Based only on the Haganah website, as at October 31, 2004.

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[JohnathanRGalt]

With over 20 websites, the internet must be very important to the mission of HAMAS.

[JohnathanRGalt]

Jehadi website ping: (let me know if you want on or off)

[phoenix0468]

Isn't there a way to do a DOSA on these guys?

[steplock]

They're missing Reuters, AP, NYT, and a few other terrorist websites and organizations!

[nw_arizona_granny]

Ping.

[steplock]

domain: intelligence.org.il
descr: Malam
descr: P.O.Box 3555 Ramat Hasharon
descr: Israel
phone: +972 3 5497019
admin-c: YF56-IL
tech-c: WAN-IL
zone-c: WAN-IL
nserver: dns.netvision.net.il
nserver: nypop.elron.net
validity: N/A
changed: registrar@ns.il 19980915 (Assigned)

person: Yehuda Friedman
address: Malam
address: P.O.Box 3555, Ramat Hasharon ,
address: Israel
phone: +972-3-549 7019
fax-no: +972-3-549 7019
nic-hdl: YF56-IL
changed: hostmaster@netvision.net.il 19980915

person: Wide Area Network Group
address: NetVision - Israeli ISP
address: Advanced Technology Center Haifa, 31905, send SPAM and ABUSE complaints to abuse@netvision.net.il
address: Haifa
address: 31905
address: Israel
phone: 04 8560 634
fax-no: 04 8551 132
e-mail: registrar@netvision.net.il
nic-hdl: WAN-IL
changed: wan@netvision.net.il 19980419

[xcamel]

One could see both sides of this coin, but a worldwide DDOS could do some serious and instantaneous harm to the continual hate spewage - and disconnect the "brains" from the body. Maybe even cause sleeper cells to make stupid and readily visible mistakes. Every warrior knows that to take out C&C is to win the battle.

Just wishful thinking I suppose.

[JohnathanRGalt]

Here's an update on this story from Haganah Internet:

[1] palestine-info.ru is now hosted by infobox.org/infobox.ru, St. Petersburg, RU

[2] fm-m.com is currently down, no longer hosted by ThePlanet.Com

[3] technically speaking, aqsavoice.NET is hosted at EV1.net in Houston. All it does, however, is link to aqsavoice.COM, which is the site hosted in Beverly Hills.

[4] rantisi.net is currently inactive

[5] sabiroon.net is no longer in the USA. It is currently hosted in Singapore by www.pacific.net.sg (Pacific Internet Ltd.)

[6] islamic-block.org was shut down by ThePlanet.Com. It is now hosted by Dotster, and draws its content from khayma.com/islamic_block/

[JohnathanRGalt]

We have agreements in place with other countries for INTEL gathering purposes. I am sure that Israel would allow us access.

Why did you post the domain registration for intelligence.org.il?

The Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, C.S.S. is one of the most respected anti-terrorism organizations in the world.

[JohnathanRGalt]

Aren't these the same idiots who kept pressing the companies to remove these sites AFTER the FBI asked them to stop ...

I don't know which "idiots" you are refering to? When and where did the FBI ever ask anyone to stop doing anything like that. Could you explain a little further?

If this is the same org they burned some active invesgations just so they could get some PR.

Standing up to terrorists is not seeking "PR". The main problem is the FBI doesn't consider the internet as a source of terrorism or even have many active "invesgations"[sic]. The FBI doesn't even have very many qualified Arabic translators -- much less agents to monitor the web.

Please explain the logic in that. If these sites are in the US it makes it easer to track who is viewing the sites and, maybe, stop them before they do something.

Has it occured to you that the reason Hamas has 20 websites is to facilitate terrorism. The websites enable terror.

[SJackson]

If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

[Citizen James]

boy I wish I knew how to hack...

[steplock]

He asked and it is public domain and OBVIOUSLY an Islaeli intel site

[7.62 x 51mm]

Ditto. I know how to kill (3 tours in Nam), CJ.

[Velveeta]

Nice work!

[JohnathanRGalt]

It was posted to FR in the last 4-6 weeks about an org that was trying to get sites like this off the net. The article quoted a federal agent who said they should stop as it would harm current invesgations. I am unable to find it right now as the FR searh isn't returning results for me right now.

It could be one of the things I've posted recently (I'm a researcher for Jeremy Reynalds):

... When asked by this writer why the owners of Hosting Anime are repeatedly going out of their way to provide a cluttered trail of false contact information, the agent refused to answer.         

He said  that he really couldn't say anything other than that this writer was going down the wrong trail by looking for additional information about the web site operators.         

The agent added ominously, "You could end up helping people you don't want to help. You may already have." He refused to clarify what he meant by the statement.    

Other than child porn, the FBI doesn't have the power to stop people from posting things on the web. It would violate the First Amendment. However, the government can't stop people like me from complaining to the ISPs to get the sites pulled either. That would violate my First Amendment rights.

I could hide messages in pictures of George Bush and have them displayed on this site. I am not sure the big guys are going to use such high profile sites to give orders.

The process is called 'steganography'.  It could be used by terrorists but I agree that it's probably not done on these sites.  It would be pretty much impossible to try and stop that kind of information.

Notice that the terrorism expounded by these sites is completely out in the open in plain English (or Arabic, French, Farsi, ...).  The terrorists need to communicate their message to as wide an audience as possible -- the purpose of the sites is propaganda, recruitment, obtaining funding, extortion, etc.  They are completely clear in their murderous intentions.

BTW, spelling flames make your look like a nit picker :)

It's true, I admit it. I'm an anal-retentive nit-picker :-)

[JohnathanRGalt]

b>phoenix0468 : Isn't there a way to do a DOSA on these guys?

Citizen James: boy I wish I knew how to hack...

xcamel: One could see both sides of this coin, but a worldwide DDOS could do some serious and instantaneous harm to the continual hate spewage - and disconnect the "brains" from the body. Maybe even cause sleeper cells to make stupid and readily visible mistakes. Every warrior knows that to take out C&C is to win the battle.

True. the internet sites are the enemy's Command & Control -- if we could take the sites out the battle would at least be a lot shorter. Many more lives could be saved on both sides. They wouldn't be able to commit as many acts of terrorism -- and we wouldn't have to kill as many Islamists when we retaliate. It would be a win-win for both sides.

I used to think that DDoS (Distributed Denial of Service) probably wouldn't work. In fact the Islamists periodically use the same tactics against Internet-Haganah.  And they haven't succeeded.

However the recent MakeLoveNotSpam operation by Lycos actually did shut down two Chinese SPAM sites temporarily. The main problem (other than it's illegal) is that it's not a permanent solution.

[phoenix0468]

"The main problem (other than it's illegal) is that it's not a permanent solution."

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It's only illegal 1) if you get caught and 2) it your dumb enough to do it against a commercial entity in your own country. I don't think the U.S. government is going to extradite anyone doing a DDOS against a Hammas site hosted in Russia. Yeah, you might be held for a couple of weeks, but then they would just let you go. IMHO

[PGalt]

Very interesting. Thanks for the post.

[Tribune7]

Why? The articles are hoot as is.

France is the shining star in the constellation of Europe. Let this wonderful country of small winding roads, vineyards and farms, great cathedrals and parish churches, but also of modern industry and communications, of friendly and thoughtful people, be its guiding star as well. . .Let France set an example for the good Americans to emulate, like it did in the early days of the Republic. The more privileged Americans realise this. In a small Champenois village I ran across a frequent visitor, a Mr Cohen of the New York Times. Weekdays he stays in Manhattan, eats freedom fries with gefilte fish, and calls to punish treacherous France, but on weekends he flies here to enjoy a taste of true civilisation. . . . For after all, in civilised France Marquis de Sade was sent to a psychiatric asylum, and was not asked to draw up Road Maps.

[Valin]

Bump

[Valin]

off-topic
"Using the Internet, the various terrorist organizations are able to sidestep, with relative ease, the impediments imposed on their activities by the world governments (including the American administration)"

Something to remember the next time some congressman get's up and promises to do something about internet porn.
I'm not sure it's really sunk in yet that there are no borders, time, or distances on the net.

And now back on topic

" the internet must be very important to the mission of HAMAS."

Absolutly vital to their (and other terroist groups) operations. Unlike landlines, cell and satellite phone pretty hard to trace.
Assume the above is true would this mean they (name your favorite terrorist group) attempt to take the system down?

[appalachian_dweller]

Thanks for the ping Johnathan. Much appreciated.

[Cindy]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2004/12/004219print.html

December 08, 2004


"Judge Awards $156M to Dead Teen's Parents"


Just in from AP, with thanks to Teri:

ARTICLE SNIPPET: "CHICAGO - Three Islamic charities and an alleged fund-raiser for the Palestinian militant group Hamas were ordered Wednesday to pay $156 million to the parents of an American teenager killed by terrorists outside Jersusalem.

A federal jury deliberated for one day before awarding $52 million in damages to the parents of David Boim, shot down at a bus stop eight years ago. U.S. Magistrate Judge Arlander Keys then tripled the damages."