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What If The Sun Was To Go Out?
MadSci Network ^ | February 24, 1997 | Joseph Spitale, Grad student Planetary Science/Applied Math, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory

Posted on 12/11/2004 11:15:46 AM PST by SamAdams76

...The short answer to your question is that no one knows the answer. I have come across some interesting information, though, and I will try to give you my thoughts on the matter from a physicist's point of view, but you might also want to resubmit the question with my answer attached and see if you can get further input from a biologist.

First, let's consider how long the planet could support large land animals like ourselves. Just think about the temperature difference between night and day and it should be pretty clear that the atmosphere (at least the troposphere, where we live) cools quite rapidly by radiation. It should only be a matter of days before the surface temperature drops below freezing everywhere on the planet. In, fact in six months to a year, the temperature should drop to less than 150 Kelvin, half its current value. I would not expect any biological activity to remain at this temperature. However, there may be organisms which could survive in a suspended state if they were to freeze before they starved. That's something a biologist would have to comment on. So I would say that an upper bound for the survival of large land animals would be less than six months, just based on temperature. However, it should be much less than this since the food chain, which starts with sunlight (which plants use), would break down almost immediately.

What would happen with the oceans? Well, there's a tremendous amount of latent heat in the oceans, which would help to warm the atmosphere. However, once the surface of the ocean began to freeze, it would become more and more insulated by the cover of ice. Thus, it appears that the transfer of heat from the ocean to the atmosphere could be significant only in the early stages of the cooling. However, the insulating effect of the ice would allow the oceans to stay above freezing for quite a while, though once again, the food chain would break down radidly, and the supply of oxygen would be cut off.

Now, there is another energy source which is significant - geothermal heat. There are organisms which live on the seafloor near geothermal vents - fissures from which superheated water laden with various gases and nutrients are expelled. The question is - are these organisms dependent only on the nutrients and heat that they recieve from the vents, or are they connected to the rest of the food chain? There are many more qualified to answer this than I. I wouldn't be surprised if they were dependent on the oxygen generated by photosynthesis, and thus vulnerable.

I have also seen mention of organisms found in core samples from quite deep in the Earth's crust which may depend only on geothermal heat, but I don't know how credible this is.

Of course, it's possible that technology would allow a very small population of humans to survive, just as they might on a lunar base. However, if such a facility does not already exist, it is doubtful whether one could be constructed before the atmosphere froze out onto the ground, especially since it would probably take more people to construct it than it would be able to support. It might be possible to modify a bomb shelter to serve such a purpose, but it would need to be able to generate breathable air, and there would need to be a way of obtaining fuel. With no solar energy, you would need to use nuclear energy, fossil fuel, or geothernal energy.

In short, we wouldn't last long, but there may be organisms which could survive indefinitely, either by freezing before they starve, or because they don't depend on solar energy at all. I would definitely recommend submitting this to a biologist for further comment.


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I am not a grad student of Planetary Science like the author, but it is my uneducated opinion that there is no need to consult a biologist on this. If the sun was to go out, we would all be doomed in short order.
1 posted on 12/11/2004 11:15:47 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

I'd invest in flashlights and batteries.


2 posted on 12/11/2004 11:17:24 AM PST by Buck W. (How can anyone who works for a living vote democrat?)
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To: SamAdams76

That question was answered in the good Dr. Isaac Asimov's short story "Nightfall."


3 posted on 12/11/2004 11:17:40 AM PST by freedumb2003 (When does the Revolution start? I'm going for a bike ride for a while. Please fill me in later.)
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To: SamAdams76

Fortunately, if it does go out, we'll be blessed with 8 additional minutes of blissful ignorance before finding out.


4 posted on 12/11/2004 11:17:42 AM PST by Sloth (Al Franken is a racist.)
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To: SamAdams76

All we'd have to do is kick up the global warming machine the liberals say we control and everything would be OK.


5 posted on 12/11/2004 11:17:44 AM PST by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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What If The Sun Was To Go Out?

Ah....it would get dark?

Can I have my PhD now please?

6 posted on 12/11/2004 11:17:49 AM PST by Heatseeker
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To: SamAdams76

I am not a physicist, but it's my uneducated opinion that the sun can't just "go out". I mean, it's a nuclear reaction, right? What would it take to stop the fusion process?


7 posted on 12/11/2004 11:18:24 AM PST by JenB (I will not turn into a snake. It doesn't help.)
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To: SamAdams76

Now explain to me again how global warming caused this scenario?


8 posted on 12/11/2004 11:19:47 AM PST by KamperKen
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To: SamAdams76

Hmmmmm think I saw a Twilight Zone episode with this as a premise


9 posted on 12/11/2004 11:20:21 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: SamAdams76

Serious snuggle weather.


10 posted on 12/11/2004 11:20:32 AM PST by NautiNurse
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Someone has got waaaaaaaaay too much time on their hands.

While they're at it: "What happens if it starts raining green M&Ms tomorrow?"

11 posted on 12/11/2004 11:20:36 AM PST by BullDog108 (Know Your Enemy! http://bvml.org/webmaster/enemy.html)
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What If The Sun Was To Go Out?

Which Sun? If one in Canopus or Orion's Belt were to go out, I'd note it then throw another log on the fire.

Oh, our Sun? Invest in hand warmers and fur-lined mukluks.

12 posted on 12/11/2004 11:20:43 AM PST by asgardshill ("We march by day and read Xenophon by night.")
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What would it take to stop the fusion process?

A really big fire hose?

13 posted on 12/11/2004 11:20:50 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Buck W.
"I'd invest in flashlights and batteries."

And warm blankets.

14 posted on 12/11/2004 11:21:06 AM PST by Batrachian
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To: JenB

A million person march on DC with the support of Hollyweird politicos!


15 posted on 12/11/2004 11:21:37 AM PST by Young Werther
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To: SamAdams76

If the sun was to go out...it would be Bush's fault, for not ratifying the Kyoto Protocol.


16 posted on 12/11/2004 11:21:41 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Young Werther

No nukes! No nukes!


17 posted on 12/11/2004 11:22:05 AM PST by JenB (I will not turn into a snake. It doesn't help.)
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To: JenB

The Tox Uthat would do it.

18 posted on 12/11/2004 11:23:04 AM PST by Sloth (Al Franken is a racist.)
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To: JenB

An extreeeeeemly large explosion!!!!


19 posted on 12/11/2004 11:23:27 AM PST by .45MAN ("God bless America and George W. Bush")
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To: SamAdams76

It will certainly be blamed on Bush.


20 posted on 12/11/2004 11:24:06 AM PST by granite (WE WON FAIR AND SQUARE, GET OVER IT DUMMIES!!!)
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