Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Woman paraded abducted baby
The Associated Press | Dec. 19, 2004 | John Milburn

Posted on 12/19/2004 9:19:36 AM PST by rushfreedom

Woman paraded abducted baby

By John Milburn

The Associated Press

MELVERN, Kan. - A woman charged with killing an expectant mother and cutting the baby from her womb was showing off the child to people at a cafe and to her pastor hours before she was arrested, residents said Saturday.

Lisa M. Montgomery, 36, was charged Friday with kidnapping resulting in murder and was expected to appear in federal court Monday. The baby, whose mother had been eight months pregnant, was in good condition.

After eating at the Whistle Stop Cafe in Melvern, a small eastern Kansas town, Montgomery and her husband visited pastor Mike Wheatley.

"It was a beautiful baby," Wheatley said. "Absolutely beautiful."

Wheatley and his wife commented that the baby, whom the couple called Abigail, did not look like a newborn because her head was not misshapen from passing through the birth canal, a common result of childbirth that soon goes away. The only marks she had were a small scratch on her head and a slight bruise on her hand.

The pastor had not seen the couple since October, and everyone in the congregation expected her to give birth around Dec. 12.

Montgomery was arrested later in the death of Bobbie Jo Stinnett, who was found Thursday in a pool of blood inside her small white home in the northwest Missouri town of Skidmore.

Montgomery's husband, Kevin, has not been charged in the case.

The arrest stunned many in this community of about 420 residents who apparently had believed for months that Lisa Montgomery was pregnant.

U.S. Attorney Todd Graves said Lisa Montgomery contacted Stinnett through an online message board after seeing a Web site about the rat terriers Stinnett bred and raised. The Web site included a picture of Stinnett, showing she was pregnant. The message board also led authorities back to Montgomery.

Investigators said Lisa Montgomery confessed to the crimes during questioning on Friday.

Jeff Lanza, an FBI spokesman in Kansas City, Mo., said that Montgomery was expected to make her first appearance in federal court Monday.

The baby's father and several other relatives saw the infant, named Victoria Jo, for the first time Friday night at Stormont-Vail Regional Health Center in Topeka.

The infant was in an intensive care unit. Hospital officials said she was responding normally for a baby taken from the womb one month prematurely.

"She's doing well," hospital spokeswoman Carol Wheeler said.

Victoria Jo's father, Zeb Stinnett, issued a brief statement calling her "a miracle."

"I want to thank family, friends, Amber Alert and law enforcement officials for their support during this time," he said.

Montgomery is the mother of two high-school-age children. Nodaway County Sheriff Ben Espey said Saturday that Montgomery had told people she was pregnant with twins, though investigators were still trying to determine whether that was true.

"She told people she was pregnant and had a miscarriage and lost one of the twins," Espey said. "We're thinking she never was pregnant."

According to court documents, Montgomery traveled to Topeka, about 30 miles north of Melvern, on Thursday to go shopping. She called her husband from there, saying she had gone into labor and given birth.

Kevin Montgomery and the couple's two children met Lisa and the newborn in the parking lot of a fast-food restaurant in Topeka and drove home, according to an affidavit.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abduction; alert; amber; baby; bobbiejostinnett; lisamontgomery
Here is the update.

To all those who posted these comments on an earlier thread.

No it was not a satanic cult. No it was not lesbian feminist. No it was not Aliens.

It was a deranged mother who had lost her baby. Hid it from her husband and others (How this could be done is unknown). She premeditated the abduction of another’s mothers baby. Even to the point of murder.

It is a sad story. I hope the press keeps covering the story so that we can learn from her story and so we can make sure justice is done for Bobbie Jo Stinnett and the family she left behind.

1 posted on 12/19/2004 9:19:37 AM PST by rushfreedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: rushfreedom

This is not the first time this has happened, either. There was another case in Ohio a few years ago. The case was very similar. I'll look and see if I can find it. Maybe someone else has info.

Maybe it is good that this woman hasn't been able to breed so far.


2 posted on 12/19/2004 9:27:21 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Wish me a Merry Christmas! I won't report you to the ACLU.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rushfreedom
Montgomery's husband, Kevin, has not been charged in the case.

Ok, I'll go along with the thought that the mother was deranged but one has to give pause for just a second and look at a couple of things.
After four children there is a couple of things that just don't add up to me.
1)Unlikely that she could lose her unborn child and her husband not know. Possible I suppose, but HIGHLY suspect.
2)They already had children. She called him and told him that she went into labor, then he met her at a restaurant for dinner?
3)They then took a newborn who had just been born a few hours ago to their pastor? Again flags should have shot up all over.

There is more to this. Something much more.

Cordially,
GE
3 posted on 12/19/2004 9:34:28 AM PST by GrandEagle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Right Wing Assault

Holy poop! I found an article about similar cases:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/story/263193p-225301c.html

Scroll down to "Shocking list of savagery by women in the U.S." to see a list of similar cases. The Marines are gentlemen compared to a deranged woman who wants to be a mother. The instinct is strong.


4 posted on 12/19/2004 9:35:01 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Wish me a Merry Christmas! I won't report you to the ACLU.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: GrandEagle

Oops. I thought this was her "first". I didn't read carefully.


5 posted on 12/19/2004 9:37:36 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Wish me a Merry Christmas! I won't report you to the ACLU.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: GrandEagle

Oops. I thought this was her "first". I didn't read carefully.


6 posted on 12/19/2004 9:37:58 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Wish me a Merry Christmas! I won't report you to the ACLU.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Right Wing Assault

Wrong. She has at least two of her own, but none with the man she is currently with. I suspect their relationship was/is rocky, and she thought she could cement it with a baby.


7 posted on 12/19/2004 9:39:47 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Right Wing Assault
I do suppose that one could excuse the Pastor since they had not seen the couple in a while and it is not the sort of thing one would suspect.
I just don't see how the Husband could not have known that something just was not right.
What do you think?
8 posted on 12/19/2004 9:41:28 AM PST by GrandEagle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Right Wing Assault

I remember the Oklahoma case well. Incredible that people can be so vicious.


9 posted on 12/19/2004 9:42:52 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: GrandEagle

Several thoughts come to my mind: Maybe he is mentally deficient. Maybe their relationship was on the rocks and he didn't see her much. Maybe he was in on it.

I keep wondering how this woman could do this alone--I guess she could have, but it sure seems like there might have been some help.


10 posted on 12/19/2004 9:44:48 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: GrandEagle

I haven't seen any picture of the supposed pregnant woman, but in the Ohio case she was fat (excuse me, "large") and her husband believed her when she said she was pregnant.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/10/05/pregnantwoman.killing.ap/

In fact, a number of fat women have supposedly given birth who didn't even know they were pregnant. I find that hard to believe unless you are a bit slow.


11 posted on 12/19/2004 9:46:58 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Wish me a Merry Christmas! I won't report you to the ACLU.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious
There has to be more to this thing.
It just makes my heart hurt.
12 posted on 12/19/2004 9:48:29 AM PST by GrandEagle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Right Wing Assault

I suppose. (Thanks for the link) I had not thought of that. Still...??


13 posted on 12/19/2004 9:50:35 AM PST by GrandEagle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Right Wing Assault

It happens somewhere every few years, that and stealing newborns out of hospital nurseries or out of cribs in homes. A very feew women cannot handle the knowledge that they cannot have a baby or have lost a baby.


14 posted on 12/19/2004 9:50:41 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: GrandEagle

I am also wondering if she was under either psychiatric care or the influence of mood altering substances, whether or not the latter were prescribed by a doctor.


15 posted on 12/19/2004 9:54:42 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (I'm from North Dakota and I'm all FOR Global Warming!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: GrandEagle

That Bica woman from Ohio did the whole thing by herself. She hunted her eventual victim, shot her, did the "c-section", buried the woman, passed the baby off as hers for 5 days, and finally killed herself when the cops came. The husband didn't know.


16 posted on 12/19/2004 9:55:48 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Wish me a Merry Christmas! I won't report you to the ACLU.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: rushfreedom
No it was not a satanic cult. No it was not lesbian feminist. No it was not Aliens.

Boy, imagine if the article posted stated "she showed the baby to her Imam"......this thread would have about 500 gleeful posts on it by now....

17 posted on 12/19/2004 9:58:43 AM PST by Strategerist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious

Usually the woman does this alone. She has invented a pregnancy or is hiding that she miscarried. Men just don't have motherhood obsessions like that.


18 posted on 12/19/2004 9:58:52 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Right Wing Assault
I guess it is not the sort of thing you would expect from your wife, so even if it didn't look quite right you would take the baby she produced as the evidence that you were the one that was wrong.

Oh, by the way, MERRY CHRISTMAS

I like your tagline.

Cordially,
GE
19 posted on 12/19/2004 9:59:46 AM PST by GrandEagle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: GrandEagle

There does not need to be anything more. It is essentially the same as stealing a neonate from a hospital nursery or stealing a newborn from its crib right after the baby comes home fom the hospital. When you add these things to the more grisly Caesarians it is not so rare.


20 posted on 12/19/2004 10:01:57 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Strategerist
if the article posted stated "she showed the baby to her Imam"......this thread would have about 500 gleeful posts on it by now

I think not. There is a lot of sympathy for Islamic women. They are regarded more as victims of islam (except by feminists) rather than expositors.

21 posted on 12/19/2004 10:04:46 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: arthurus
I suppose you are right. It is just hard for me to imagine that my wife could not be pregnant and me not know. And, after having two other children, I would not think it odd that she would want to meet me for dinner hours after the "birth". Just seems really odd.
I guess that he was a REALLY uninvolved husband.

Cordially,
GE
22 posted on 12/19/2004 10:09:05 AM PST by GrandEagle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Strategerist

"if the article posted stated "she showed the baby to her Imam"......this thread would have about 500 gleeful posts on it by now

And what would the gleeful posts be saying? What would the gleeful poster be thinking?


23 posted on 12/19/2004 10:14:58 AM PST by truthandlogic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: rushfreedom

The article I read stated a lot of the people who saw the baby were surprised that the baby was a newborn, because her head was not misshapen -- as vaginal birth babies are. Not to nitpick, but it seems to be a common misconception. My dad once said the good thing about me being born c-section was that my head was round. I have delivered five babies normally. They were all born with big round heads.


24 posted on 12/19/2004 10:15:50 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HungarianGypsy
They were all born with big round heads.
All four of mine were nice and round too.
25 posted on 12/19/2004 10:17:10 AM PST by GrandEagle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: rushfreedom

What the perp did was absolutely disgusting! I feel so sorry for the baby's mother and family. Hope the perp gets the maximum.


26 posted on 12/19/2004 10:19:25 AM PST by tob2 (Old Fossil and Proud of It!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tob2

The maximum could be death...Something she would definately deserve!!


27 posted on 12/19/2004 10:21:47 AM PST by trussell (I Never Frown, even when I am sad,because I never know who is falling in love with my Smile!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: arthurus

I adopted three infants because I could not have one. It never in a millions years would have occured to me to steal one. There are so many out there who need a loving home.


28 posted on 12/19/2004 10:23:19 AM PST by Ditter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: rushfreedom

http://www.maryvilledailyforum.com/articles/2004/12/18/news/news2.txt

Friend of alleged killer, victim speaks to Forum
By MATT KELSEY


Forum Managing Editor

A man who was friends with both Bobbie Jo Stinnett and her alleged killer says Stinnett was a kind and gentle person and Lisa Montgomery was not to be trusted.

The man agreed to speak exclusively to the Forum on condition of anonymity. He is a rat terrier breeder, just like Stinnett and Montgomery, and spoke frequently to both of them over the Internet.

Montgomery is charged with killing Stinnett and cutting open her womb to steal the eight-month-old fetus.

"I host an internet community online about rat terrier breeding," the man said, "and I met them both through that a couple years ago.

The man said the people who chatted through the Web site frequently would often share personal information without thinking of any possible consequences.

"Over time, people would say, 'Hey, I'm pregnant,' and they share that personal information," he said.

So the man was not surprised when, several months ago, both Stinnett and Montgomery announced, within a few days of each other, that they were pregnant.

After meeting Montgomery, the man said they often had business relationships breeding their dogs, and on occasion Montgomery would "just lie to my face for no particular reason," he said.

"Lisa, in my dealings with her, was not all there mentally... I just knew she wasn't right. I just kind of steered clear of her."

The man said Montgomery had four or five children with two ex-husbands, but had a strong desire to have another child with her current husband.

"She had really wanted a baby really bad," the man said.

Although he did not trust Montgomery, the man said Stinnett was a different story. He had spoken with her over the Internet two days before the murder.

"She was a person that had no enemies," the man said. "One of the sweetest young ladies I've met."

The man said the two women knew each other well.

"Lisa and Bobbie would go to dog shows together and compete against one another," he said.

Chillingly, the man said Montgomery had posted a week ago on the Internet site that "she was going to have her baby on Thursday," the day of the murder. He believes this indicates a certain level of premeditation.

"I can't even fathom this," the man said, "and for me to know both of them... it just blows my mind."

The man said Stinnett would have been familiar with Montgomery, and would not have hesitated to let her in.

"If Lisa showed up at my house, I'd let her in the door because I know her," the man said.


29 posted on 12/19/2004 10:26:49 AM PST by maggief
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GrandEagle

BTW, I saw your post about you would know if your wife was pregnant. A lot of the ladies on the Family Freeper Table ping list know about my stealth baby. I am not a large woman either. Thought I was just gaining weight at first. I was seven months along by the time my husband and others began to really notice. I had no previous symptoms that I normally had before. When I got an appointment with my naturopath I had ballooned up so much at the last that she couldn't believe we didn't know. In fact, my in-laws thought I was only four or five months along and a lady who saw me every week in Sunday school didn't know I was pregnant until it a baby shower was announced in church.


30 posted on 12/19/2004 10:27:18 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Right Wing Assault

In Arizona too I think........and who could forget Deborah Evans of Chicago? Those demons not only killed her and took her unborn baby, but killed her two other children also. They did leave a toddler alive thank goodness but it's that case that ought to have a public hanging.....but thanks to that idiot govenor (forget his name) he made sure those who comitted this awful crime will never die for it.


31 posted on 12/19/2004 10:31:29 AM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Right Wing Assault

Do a search on FR or Yahoo--there is a picture posted. She doesn't really look that overweight that a pregnancy wouldn't be noticed.


32 posted on 12/19/2004 10:33:20 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Right Wing Assault

" The Marines are gentlemen compared to a deranged woman who wants to be a mother."

As a woman who was psychologically and emotionally gutted by a religious adoption agency in the 1960s, and whose child was extracted from her by medical means so the baby could be given to another woman, I can relate to that remark.

Those of us who survived the savage child harvesting processes of the 1960s in order to provide babies for the adoption market often wonder why they simply didn't physically kill us. Many of us remark that during the depths of the recurrent clinical depressions that beset us after we lost our children, it would have been better for us to simply die, rather than face the future we did after the psychopathic social workers got done with us.



This story has activated a lot of additional pain for some of us who survived our "adoption" experiences. This poor murdered woman is, for us, an extremely powerful symbol of what was done to us. The incomprehensible crime committed aganst her body was commited against our souls, hearts and minds. The churches, adoption agencies and social worker associations have never acknowledged or apologized for their past behavior towards us.

I thank God her child was found alive and in good condition.


33 posted on 12/19/2004 10:34:36 AM PST by ItCanHappenToYou (ItCanHappenToYou)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: HungarianGypsy
Well then, I suppose I'll have to stand corrected.
Thanks,
GE
34 posted on 12/19/2004 10:37:07 AM PST by GrandEagle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: ItCanHappenToYou

Wow! I'm sorry for what happened to you. Things like this keep coming up and bringing back your pain. I hope time heals. Will pray for you and remember you at this time of year.


35 posted on 12/19/2004 11:04:35 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Wish me a Merry Christmas! I won't report you to the ACLU.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: GrandEagle; Right Wing Assault
" 2)They already had children. She called him and told him that she went into labor, then he met her at a restaurant for dinner?"

“She” already had children from what I hear. They were from another marriage.

36 posted on 12/19/2004 11:04:59 AM PST by elfman2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: trussell

She should be thrown live into a nest of hungry alligators.


37 posted on 12/19/2004 11:15:56 AM PST by DarthVader
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: rushfreedom

People say she must be insane but a huge amount of premeditation went into this. I hope they fry her.


38 posted on 12/19/2004 11:16:47 AM PST by muslims=borg (Take the violence out of Islam and whats left ?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DarthVader

I have no conflict with that!


39 posted on 12/19/2004 11:32:09 AM PST by trussell (I Never Frown, even when I am sad,because I never know who is falling in love with my Smile!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: MizSterious

...remember Andrea Yates? She murdered 5........


40 posted on 12/19/2004 11:33:43 AM PST by yoe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Right Wing Assault

There was also a case in New Mexico a few years ago.


41 posted on 12/19/2004 11:34:50 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: maggiefluffs

Wow I just can not believe it. Great post. Thanks fo sharing.


42 posted on 12/19/2004 12:25:13 PM PST by rushfreedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Right Wing Assault

Thank you. I do appreciate it. It happened to many women my age, not just me, so please do keep us all in your prayers as well. This time of year is the worst fir all of us , and for women like me whose children were born near Christmas ( mid-December in my case) the memories can be overwhelming.

Reading about the way that woman was brutally murdered and harvested has added to everyone's burden this year.

My heart goes out to her family.


43 posted on 12/19/2004 12:34:01 PM PST by ItCanHappenToYou (ItCanHappenToYou)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Doctor Stochastic

Seems to me I heard an FBI profiler on one of the talking head shows saying this happens about 100 times a year in this country.

I could be wrong, but I think that's what she said.


44 posted on 12/19/2004 12:36:16 PM PST by ItCanHappenToYou (ItCanHappenToYou)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: HungarianGypsy


Common misconception for your babies... Mine, on the other hand, was born with a head that looked just like those SNL cone heads... He's fine now, I'm happy to say. :)


45 posted on 12/19/2004 12:44:46 PM PST by ladyrustic (seek Truth, Beauty, and Goodness)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: maggiefluffs; All

This article seems legit...have been doing some sleuthing and
noticed a picture on Bobbie's website that appears to have her and the woman held for murder in the same picture.

Look at picture number 30 on the Abilene 4-2004 file at
http://imageevent.com/happyhaven/ukcshows/abilene42004?n=25&z=2&w=0&x=1&c=4&m=24&p=24

Bobbie is second from the right, Lisa Montgomery is second from the left as it appears to me.


46 posted on 12/19/2004 4:53:33 PM PST by 4Godsoloved..Hegave
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: 4Godsoloved..Hegave; runningbear; Howlin

Ping ...

See also post 29.


47 posted on 12/19/2004 5:07:53 PM PST by maggief
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: 4Godsoloved..Hegave

Wow, you are good--that really does look like the woman. The one picture I have seen of the killer through the media, she is holding a little dog so maybe she and the victim were in the same circles and she had been stalking her for some time.


48 posted on 12/20/2004 3:20:22 AM PST by beaversmom (The greatness of a man is measured by the fatness of his wife)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: 4Godsoloved..Hegave

Oops, just read the above article in post #29 after I saw the picture you posted--looks like they did know each other. That Bobbie Jo was a little gal--too bad she didn't have some way to kill that maniac. She probably didn't know anything was up until it was too late. I really hope they fry this demon. Very sad. Other than the beheadings in Iraq, this is one of the most evil things I have heard of lately.


49 posted on 12/20/2004 3:34:23 AM PST by beaversmom (The greatness of a man is measured by the fatness of his wife)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Ditter

These are very insecure women with an overdose of motherhood obsession. Some are also like Mrs Montgomery. They feel the need to have a baby with their 2nd or 3rd husbands to tie them and if they are unable they fake it by stealing one. It is not normal. The ladies are nuts but the obsession is real in those that have it.


50 posted on 12/20/2004 1:48:18 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson