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Schwarzenegger Criticized for Saying GOP Should be More Pro-Abortion
LifeNews.com ^ | December 20, 2004 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 12/20/2004 2:26:56 PM PST by Ed Current

Sacramento, CA (LifeNews.com) -- First, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger came under fire from pro-life advocates for backing a $6 billion measure using taxpayer funds to destroy human life in cloning and embryonic stem cell research. Now he drawing criticism for suggesting the GOP should become more pro-abortion.

In an interview with Germany's Sueddeutsche Zeitung daily newspaper published Saturday, Schwarzenegger said the Republican Party should move "a little to the left" on issues such as abortion -- a shift he claims would pick up more voters.

Schwarzenegger told the paper that "the Republican Party currently covers only the spectrum from the right wing to the middle."

"I would like the Republican Party to cross this line, move a little further left and place more weight on the center," he said. "This would immediately give the party 5 percent more votes without its losing anything elsewhere."

However, post-election poll of voters shows that a majority of Americans are pro-life and the abortion issue gave pro-life candidates such as President Bush a twelve percent advantage.

Thinking about their own position on abortion, 55 percent said they took a pro-life position and only 40 percent took one of three positions in favor of legal abortions.

That November 2004 Wirthlin poll conforms to others showing pro-life Republican presidential candidates benefiting from that view on abortion.

According to Lydia Saad, Senior Gallup Poll Editor, "national exit polling in every presidential election since 1984 has shown a net advantage to the pro-life side over the pro-choice side, based on the percentage of single-issue abortion voters in the electorate."

Schwarzenegger's comments drew opposition from Karen England of the Capitol Resource Institute, a California group involved in pro-life issues.

"Schwarzenegger's statements that the GOP would not lose its base if it embraces ... abortion rights show extreme arrogance and total ignorance concerning the values and dedication of the party's core constituents," England said.

"Schwarzenegger has spent too much time in Hollywood. He needs to start mingling more with mainstream Californians," she added.

"We are outraged that Schwarzenegger has the audacity to misspeak for the millions of Republicans in this country who believe that abortion is murder," England concluded.


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To: Ed Current

Is there a heart rate at ten days?


21 posted on 12/20/2004 3:01:04 PM PST by MonroeDNA (“I feel more comfortable with Soviet intellectuals than I do with American businessmen.” --Soros)
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To: MonroeDNA

but most of us do not believe that a 10-day old glob of cells is human

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into existence. This is no longer a matter of taste or opinion. Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception." Dr. Jerome Lejeune, genetics professor at the University of Descartes, Paris. He discovered the Down syndrome chromosome.

"From the moment a baby is conceived, it bears the indelible stamp of a separate distinct personality, an individual different from all other individuals." Ultrasound pioneer, Sir William Liley, M.D. 1967.

"It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception." Professor M. Matthews-Roth, Harvard University Medical School.

"By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception." Professor Hymie Gordon, Mayo Clinic.

"The fusion of the sperm (with 23 chromosomes) and the oocyte (with 23 chromosomes) at fertilization results in a live human being, a single-cell human zygote, with 46 chromosomes - the number of chromosomes characteristic of an individual member of the human species." http://www.l4l.org/library/mythfact.html

"Scientifically, the international consensus of embryologists is that human beings begin at fertilization (or cloning)--i.e., when their genetic code is complete and operative; even before implantation they are far more than a "bunch of cells" or merely " potential human beings."" http://www.stemcellresearch.org/statement/

"The question as to when a human person begins is a philosophical question - not a scientific question. I will not go into great detail here, but ""personhood"" begins when the human being begins - at fertilization." http://www.l4l.org/library/mythfact.html This objective argument refutes all metaphysical speculations stating otherwise.

22 posted on 12/20/2004 3:03:02 PM PST by Ed Current (U.S. Constitution, Article 3 has no constituency to break federal judicial tyranny)
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To: MonroeDNA

Tell your PREACHER to read post #22


23 posted on 12/20/2004 3:03:54 PM PST by Ed Current (U.S. Constitution, Article 3 has no constituency to break federal judicial tyranny)
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To: MonroeDNA
I'm a pastor and have little feelings one way or the other over abortion. I've never had one, never thought about it. Never even been approached about it. In my opinion, the best birth control is an aspirin. Placed and held firmly between the knees. I DO however, have some strong feelings about anti-Christians.... You know... Ba Bull Thumpers...? I think they deserve respect. Don't you?
24 posted on 12/20/2004 3:04:29 PM PST by Hi Heels (Proud to be a Pajamarazzi-Leef lang de Katjes van Viking)
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To: Ed Current

Abortion should be legal but abhored and socially unacceptable - I think this is the position of most Americans. It can never be made illegal as long as it is socially acceptable. On the other hand, when it becomes socially unacceptable there will be no need to make it illegal. There are situations where allowing a woman to abort her unborn child is preferable to the alternative of having the government somehow enforce a woman to bring a child to term against her will.


25 posted on 12/20/2004 3:06:21 PM PST by Avenger
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To: Ed Current

California, like New York, ceased to be in step with the rest of America awhile ago. It is its own little world.


26 posted on 12/20/2004 3:06:31 PM PST by Clemenza (Morford 2008: Not that there's anything wrong with it!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Dang....second thread you didn't start....

Yer slippin'.

27 posted on 12/20/2004 3:08:43 PM PST by Hi Heels (Proud to be a Pajamarazzi-Leef lang de Katjes van Viking)
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To: Hi Heels
What kind of "Church" would ordain a Pastor in High Heels? The Unitarians perhaps?

Ahnold is an example of everything that disgusts me about godless Califonicators.

28 posted on 12/20/2004 3:11:24 PM PST by Clemenza (Morford 2008: Not that there's anything wrong with it!)
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To: Ed Current

Wow- the two names I hear for the GOP Presidential candidate in 2008 are Arnie and Rudy. Who's YOUR pick? (rolling eyes).


29 posted on 12/20/2004 3:14:13 PM PST by richmwill
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To: MonroeDNA
You can call me "baby killer" all you want, but most of us do not believe that a 10-day old glob of cells is human. You do; your preacher tells you so. We don't. So vote.

With all dubious respect, you don't speak for "most of us", and you sure as hell don't speak for me. If you "get your rocks off" killing, or advocating killing, the unborn, I don't suppose anything will stop you. Your "freedom to kill" is intact.

But do not DARE presume to speak for me, included in "most of us".

30 posted on 12/20/2004 3:16:22 PM PST by Christian4Bush ("You do what you got to do because it needs to get done." Tony Heigaard, U.S. Army)
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To: Ed Current
In some ways, Arnold is right. Politically, the Republican Party would pick up about 4-5% more votes by being a bit more neutral on the abortion issue. It would pick up some pro-choice votes, but probably not lose any pro-life votes. Where else do the pro-lifers have to go?

However, the abortion issue has emerged in the past 20 years to be one of the top three or four defining issues of the Republican Party, especially in races where we previously had not fared well.

We tend to be more of a party of principle than politics, therefore, with it being one of the main definining issues, I don't think we should stray off of the party line on this. The Republican Party should officially remain just as pro-life as it is now. However, at the same time, we should make pro-choice folks feel welcome, if they agree with us on most every other issue.

31 posted on 12/20/2004 3:21:39 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Ed Current
"Schwarzenegger told the paper that "the Republican Party currently covers only the spectrum from the right wing to the middle."

We are a center-right party. Our job is to convince people to come to us, not the other way around.

32 posted on 12/20/2004 3:24:37 PM PST by BobS
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
The pro-lifers will simply NOT vote.

I really despise Ahhnold, both as an actor and a politician.

33 posted on 12/20/2004 3:27:13 PM PST by Clemenza (Morford 2008: Not that there's anything wrong with it!)
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To: Salvation; Coleus; firebrand

Calling the pro-life brigade!


34 posted on 12/20/2004 3:27:49 PM PST by Clemenza (Morford 2008: Not that there's anything wrong with it!)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Where else do the pro-lifers have to go?

I don't they would necessarily "go" anywhere but they might stay home more often when election time comes.

They may also keep their money at home with them, which in the end is the only thing that makes a politician take notice.

35 posted on 12/20/2004 3:28:03 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: Avenger
This is what you really meant to say:

Abortion MURDER should be legal but abhored and socially unacceptable - I think this is the position of most Americans. It can never be made illegal as long as it is socially acceptable. On the other hand, when it becomes socially unacceptable there will be no need to make it illegal. There are situations where allowing a woman to abort MURDER her un born child is preferable to the alternative of having the government somehow enforce a woman to bring RAISE a child to term against her will.

36 posted on 12/20/2004 3:29:19 PM PST by Ed Current (U.S. Constitution, Article 3 has no constituency to break federal judicial tyranny)
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To: Ed Current
Yes, I voted for Ah-nold, but never again. In fact, I wonder if some are thinking . . . . recallllll !

We'll see. He's actually finessed a Grey-Davis/Dem sort of budget better than Davis would have. But he's been stepping out a lot in the last two months, with the bill-signings and the talking, and more talking. He's going to talk himself right out of politics - which will be just as well.

37 posted on 12/20/2004 3:31:43 PM PST by sevry
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To: MonroeDNA
You seem to miss the point entirely. If someone were to kill a known pregnant mother at any stage of the pregnancy everyone would be sure to mention she was expecting. Why would this matter if the 'glob' of cells was insignificant?

The truth is that pregnancy indicates a probability that the 'glob' of cells will become a human being and this probability increases as the pregnancy progresses.

There are many people against genetic engineering of an embryo or fetus, but what does it matter? It's not a person only part of the woman's body, it's her choice right? No it is not, the choices she makes regarding the embryo have a high probability of impacting a human beings life.

An egg alone will not become a human being, a sperm will not but an embryo does. It is part of our life cycle, which means it will probably become a person if left alone!

It's like a person in a burn ward who is comatose and burned up beyond recognition without any organs left. Let's say they are in some regeneration chamber, they will not have their memories but they will recover. Using your reasoning it would be OK to pull the plug, because they are not recognizable as human. In fact that hypothetical person would be in the same position as an unborn child.

Maybe you say it is the mothers body so it's her choice. Well what if we had birth chambers the negated a woman's role as carrier, then would abortion still be legal? I bet most who agree with abortion would say yes.

The reason: it is about not wanting a child so legally killing it, not about a woman's body.

And I am an atheist and highly educated by the way. I do not get told what to think by anyone.
38 posted on 12/20/2004 3:31:58 PM PST by demecleze
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To: Clemenza
Your intolerance is showing.....

Pastors wear high heels nowdays. They live in California sometimes. They have children and work and go to school and preach Jesus to anyone who will listen. They also work GOP campaigns. They might have voted for McClintock.

You just NEVER KNOW who is on your side. *shrug* That's the facts.

39 posted on 12/20/2004 3:34:32 PM PST by Hi Heels (Proud to be a Pajamarazzi-Leef lang de Katjes van Viking)
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To: Ed Current
Arnie has lost his mind. His preaching may play in CA, but the south and heartland ain't buying this west coast city slickers notions concerning moving to the left. He has Kennedy-itis in a very bad way with no cure for his lefty rantings.
40 posted on 12/20/2004 3:35:27 PM PST by conservativecorner
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