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Israeli Archaeologists Believe They Have Found Site of Jesus' First Miracle
AP ^ | Dec 21, 2004 | Laurie Copans

Posted on 12/21/2004 1:20:03 PM PST by Pharmboy

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To: ScottFromSpokane
The found common stone jars, on a site which could possibly have been Cana, or maybe not.
Why would you even bring Jesus into it?

As well as the tourist dollar -
Future marketing by Mogan David? After all, he reputedly made some very good wine out of that water.
81 posted on 12/21/2004 2:18:31 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: af_vet_1981

I completely understand your sudden urge to change the subject. I speak english.


82 posted on 12/21/2004 2:18:36 PM PST by notigar
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To: notigar
"Um, if they found the site of his first miracle, wouldn't they have to believe that a miracle was performed, and become Christian?"

Yardena is one woman's name. Usually in the English language we use the pronoun she. I don't know what they use in Romanian, Hungarian, or Russian to refer to a woman.

83 posted on 12/21/2004 2:19:22 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981

Well, I was guessing she was part of a team. Usually that's how these digs work. Is that really the best you've got? So you agree with me to the extent of the woman?


84 posted on 12/21/2004 2:21:30 PM PST by notigar
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To: notigar
She is a woman who speaks English.
85 posted on 12/21/2004 2:23:09 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: mike182d; DeeJay
"I've always found it odd that some Christians think that alcohol is evil"

This Christian doesn't think alcohol is evil, but the way alcohol is used to excess in this society is. I don't drink at all, but not because I can't or because it would be wrong for me to, it wouldn't. "It would be like Jesus handing out pornography at a bachelor party; the belief doesn't make sense..."

A better comparison would be some Christians thinking sex is evil. But in fact, Jesus invented sex. Under the right conditions, sex is very very right and God encourages us in the Song of Solomon to "drink deeply". Under the wrong conditions, it is evil.

86 posted on 12/21/2004 2:24:08 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: af_vet_1981

"She is a woman who speaks English."

I see. Thanks, I hadn't considered that.


87 posted on 12/21/2004 2:27:59 PM PST by notigar
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To: notigar

Has anyone commented that the story does not even remotely support the headline, or some of the quotes? They don't even know it's Canna they've dug up, and they have no reason to believe these jars were used for the miracle.


88 posted on 12/21/2004 2:33:32 PM PST by Williams
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To: ScottFromSpokane

=== Ah. Say no more.


No joke. I was wondering when we'd get to the punch line.


89 posted on 12/21/2004 2:35:10 PM PST by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: mike182d
I've always found it odd that some Christians think that alcohol is evil.

It is the abuse of alcohol and the problems it causes that leads to this thinking. I've heard a Pentecostal preacher say that though the Bible says "a little wine is good for the stomach", if you never indulge, you'll never overindulge.

It does make some sense.

90 posted on 12/21/2004 2:55:06 PM PST by JimRed (Investigate, overturn and prosecute vote fraud; turn more counties red!)
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To: mike182d

Yes, I've heard it suggested that the wine was very weak, and therefore harmless. But even the cut wine was still much stronger than beer, and at this event in particular, we know they were already getting snookered. "Usually you serve the best wine first, then later [when the guests are too drunk to notice] you bring out something cheaper."


91 posted on 12/21/2004 3:05:22 PM PST by dangus
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To: the Deejay

Grape Juice was invented in the late 1800s by Charles Welch, son of a presybyterian minister who believed alcohol to be immoral. His invention was intended to allow his father's congregation to participate in the Last Supper.

In contrast, the Catholic Church considers grape juice to be an invalid substance for transubstantiation, finding that the accidents of alchohol (formal accidents, not DUI accidents) are essential to the offering.


92 posted on 12/21/2004 3:08:24 PM PST by dangus
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To: Pharmboy; mike182d

Ping to my last post. (somewhere around 190) re: modern invention of grape juice.


93 posted on 12/21/2004 3:09:53 PM PST by dangus
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To: R. Scott

Maddog is not my idea of good wine..


94 posted on 12/21/2004 3:17:44 PM PST by rahbert
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To: mike182d
Although, I've always found it odd that some Christians think that alcohol is evil. It would make this miracle of Jesus appear to be an evil as well. Why would Jesus multiply and freely distribute that which is evil? It would be like Jesus handing out pornography at a bachelor party; the belief doesn't make sense...

Bring all the wine you can find made totally from pure water!

I doubt there is or ever have been any alcoholics as a result of drinking such wine regardless of the amount!

95 posted on 12/21/2004 3:19:06 PM PST by VOYAGER
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To: JimRed

The fault of the Pharisees was that they had attempted to become righteous, but kept falling into sin. Hence, they moved to block all opportunities for accidentally sinning. Hence, the commandment "Thou shall not boil a calf in its mother's milk," became "You are not permitted to eat dairy and meat at the same meal." Thus, under the Pharisees, the Jews became heavily oppressed.

For this reason, the New Testament explicitly commands that we are not to add to the law, or lay religious burdens apon people. Telling people that they may not drink wine, when Jesus himself provided wine, is not only not sensible, it is downright sinful.

The Catholic Church tells people to avoid the near occasions of sin, but allows people to decide for themselves what such near occasions are. For the soul struggling against alcoholism, he may not enter a pub. Yet, for others, they may drink away. As Paul instructs us, extraordinary fasts and abstinences should not be imposed on others, nor should they be forbidden. (Before you even think it, joining the priesthood is a voluntary discipline.)


96 posted on 12/21/2004 3:22:58 PM PST by dangus
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To: Pharmboy

bump


97 posted on 12/21/2004 3:25:27 PM PST by VOA
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To: Williams

the quote from the lead archeologist supports the title, I think.


98 posted on 12/21/2004 3:28:57 PM PST by notigar
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To: Pharmboy

Great Article..
Merry Christmas to you! and Best Wishes for a Bright Happy New Year!


99 posted on 12/21/2004 3:59:44 PM PST by missyme
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To: conserv13

But time will tell now won't it. Have an open mind that is how we all learn...:)


100 posted on 12/21/2004 4:00:55 PM PST by missyme
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