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Anti-Semitism?
NRO ^ | December 21, 2004 | William F Buckley, Jr

Posted on 12/21/2004 3:18:18 PM PST by swilhelm73

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1 posted on 12/21/2004 3:18:18 PM PST by swilhelm73
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To: swilhelm73

Methinks Mr. Donahue has the old blue collar Irish parochial attitude toward the chosen people. Does he really think that the gentiles who work in Hollywood (and there are many, btw) are any better on the issue than their secular Jewish colleagues? Is he aware that the major studios are PUBLIC COMPANIES and can thus be "controlled" by anyone with the resources to buy shares?


2 posted on 12/21/2004 3:23:03 PM PST by Clemenza (Morford 2008: Not that there's anything wrong with it!)
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To: swilhelm73
Shmuley Boteach and Bill Donohue together in one debate is not productive. Both are unnecessarily inflammatory. Boteach sees anti-Semitism where it doesn't exist, Donahue just inflames. I strongly disagree with the rabbis condemnation of the film , 'The Passion' . Donahue blames secular Jews for much of Hollywood's garbage when it's secularists period - Jewish, Christian, atheist, agnostic, whatever. 'Jews' qualifiers was gratuitous and wrong.
3 posted on 12/21/2004 3:27:45 PM PST by SolutionsOnly (but some people really NEED to be offended...)
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To: swilhelm73
Incendiary post.

And I think that's a good thing.

4 posted on 12/21/2004 3:32:48 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: swilhelm73
". . . Hollywood has become a cesspit because it's secular, period."

No argument here.

FMCDH(BITS)

5 posted on 12/21/2004 3:48:03 PM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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To: swilhelm73

The only criticism you can make of it is that maybe Donohue shouldn't have concentrated only on secular Jews. As Buckley says, there are other secularists as well who regularly attack Catholicism and Christianity generally.

But when it came to attacking the passion, there's no question that the ADL and secular Jews were in the forefront, and that influential secular Jews in Hollywood chipped in. Donohue was accurate.

After all, the particular crime they charged Mel Gibson with was antisemitism. They even made a point of going after his aged father for questioning the Holocaust. I would guess that Mel's father is probably senile, and in any case is entitled to his private opinions which never would have been made public if not for the treachery of the interviwer, and which have zero, zip, nada to do with "The Passion."


6 posted on 12/21/2004 3:55:19 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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They even made a point of going after his aged father for questioning the Holocaust. I would guess that Mel's father is probably senile, and in any case is entitled to his private opinions

Since you bring him up, he is at best a Holocaust Revisionist. He may be tending toward senility now but was not when he was in his prime articulating his evil viewpoints. His opinions were not private. He published them.

7 posted on 12/21/2004 4:00:55 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Cicero
But when it came to attacking the passion, there's no question that the ADL and secular Jews were in the forefront, and that influential secular Jews in Hollywood chipped in. Donohue was accurate.

Great comment...the truth hurts...even criticism about one's personal truth is painful (whether such faith is Christian or Jewish).

Mel's Passion hit a nerve for Christians too. Buckets of tear have been shed by believers who found they were not as faithful as they now find they could have been.

And regarding Mel's father...we all have 'em...they seldom behave the way we want...we love them...but struggle with what they might say...

8 posted on 12/21/2004 4:04:51 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: weenie
Among them are secularists who have drunk deep of ACLU doctrines over the years and have convinced themselves that any theological exercise in public circumstances is both a deprivation of their rights to seamless agnosticis...

Pivot point of the entire essay. What surprises me is Mr. Buckley seems to discount the importance of cutting the intellectual legs out from under these "useful idiots," for surely they are the mass that gives the anti-christians their frightful impact.

9 posted on 12/21/2004 4:06:24 PM PST by papertyger
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Of course one could point out that Al Gore's father was a racist and Ted Kennedy's father approved of Hitler. I don't see the press making such a connection in these cases...


10 posted on 12/21/2004 4:07:31 PM PST by swilhelm73 (Dowd wrote that Kerry was defeated by a "jihad" of Christians...Finally – a jihad liberals oppose!)
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To: papertyger
for surely they are the mass that gives the anti-christians their frightful impact.

As usual, powerful thinking and powerful writing on your part.

I have been thinking much about this kind of stuff lately...but, at least so far, I have come to the conclusion that Jesus is so infinitely greater than me that my tiny worries are irrelevant.

He is the spiritual Tsunami.

I say this to me (and to you if it is not offensive)...do not worry my FRiend

11 posted on 12/21/2004 4:12:51 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Cicero
This is a bunch of crap, okay? . . . Hollywood has become a cesspit because it's secular, period.

But when it came to attacking the passion, there's no question that the ADL and secular Jews were in the forefront, and that influential secular Jews in Hollywood chipped in. Donohue was accurate.

Good eye. Their offensive game may have been secular, but their defense was definitely Jewish, and I'm saying that as an unabashed zionist.

12 posted on 12/21/2004 4:16:53 PM PST by papertyger
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To: swilhelm73
Of course one could point out that Al Gore's father was a racist and Ted Kennedy's father approved of Hitler. I don't see the press making such a connection in these cases...

I think both those examples are very legitimate and pertinent.

13 posted on 12/21/2004 4:24:06 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: papertyger
Donohue was accurate.

No

If he were accurate he would simply have attacked secularism. He has another lust.

14 posted on 12/21/2004 4:26:17 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: weenie

No worries FRiend! The winner has already been determined. Now the relevant question (that should give pause and trembling) is "by how much?".


15 posted on 12/21/2004 4:27:06 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

Yup...and Merry Christmas!


16 posted on 12/21/2004 4:28:36 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: af_vet_1981
If he were accurate he would simply have attacked secularism. He has another lust.

There is no other lust...I suggest he is just an old-fashion Catholic...

Pull the hate out of this thing...Jesus is a Jew (He was never a Catholic or a Baptist or a Methodist...etc.)

17 posted on 12/21/2004 4:31:33 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: weenie
Pull the hate out of this thing ...

I'm trying, but then you have William Donohue practicing hate for a living.

18 posted on 12/21/2004 4:36:07 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: papertyger

I have always been a strong supporter of Israel. It saddens me that certain fringe groups among the Jews have tried to whip up hatred for Catholics, because the two should be natural allies.

When I teach Genesis and Exodus I have always put primary emphasis on the Jewish meaning of the texts, and in particular on the meaning of God's Covenant with Israel. I explain that certain passages have taken on further meaning for Christians, but I think it's important to emphasize the original meaning first before considering matters of typology. There would be no Christianity if not for Judaism.


19 posted on 12/21/2004 4:36:55 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: jan in Colorado; missyme; JudyinCanada

Ping of Christmas


20 posted on 12/21/2004 4:37:09 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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