U-M study: Why men are attracted to subordinate women

University of Michigan News Service ^ | Dec. 8, 2004 | U Mich

[Lester Moore]

Time to re-examine the government's waste spending on dumbass stuff!!!!!

Remember the 5 yr. Five gallon bucket study in '95 or '96? Conclusion: to prevent toddler drownings in 5 gallon buckets require that bucket manufacturers make leakey buckets. cost millions of dollars to get there too...

[Cogadh na Sith]

I wonder why such bruised ego if you think that your wife must be a weakling

I've noticed in your posts that you only use the word 'wife' to preface 'weakling' or 'submissive'. That's odd, but instructive.

I hope she sees you as her partner too, I hope she sees you as the man she can turn to without fear of being mocked, criticized

Hmmmm, will she see me as her 'partner', or as her 'man' she can turn to?

Even you unconsciously see the distinctions.

I notice you've not used the word 'husband' at all, nor have you said anything about children. Again, odd, but instructive. If all the things you mentioned were the most important things in a marriage, why wouldn't I marry a man?

If you change the 'she' to 'he' in your post, every single thing you mention could be fulfilled by another man. You've made a good argument for marrying another man as an equal partner in the home and to bring home the bacon.

Now remind me again why I should marry a woman instead.

[Cogadh na Sith]

Obviously, it is quite difficult for some people to view their spouses as partners.

Spouses and Partners! No husbands and wives in your world, hmmm? Two men or two women can be 'partners' in a marriage in some states....

Do you not believe in husband and wife? Or only partner and partner?

[Quinotto]

I suggest you leave your attempts to pseudo-psychoanalysis to the professionals and you concentrate on your own issues. My replies were strictly to what I think the person in my life should be, hence the choices I make when it comes to men. I mentioned the world family and that also includes children but less alone, you swim in too much ambivalence. And you can marry a man or a woman or even a goat, that won't change the fact that, like anything in life, everything that happens to us is directly related to the choices we make in life. May the force be with you in choosing a man, a woman or the animal of your choice.

[Quinotto]

Please observe redundant behavior of some people, when lacking real arguments, it turns the dial towards small hints of homosexual inclination on your side. Both you and I we're just one step way from being lesbians just because we believe a husband should be one's partner in life. I wonder if Sith has any inkling what the oath of a marriage actually means. When a man and a woman are entering the holy estate of matrimony, the promise goes something like "I will love him/her, comfort him/her, honor, and keep him/her in sickness and in health; and, forsaking all others, keep myself only unto him/her, so long as we both shall live!". If that's not a partnership for a lifetime, I don't know what is!

[Cogadh na Sith]

"I will love him/her, comfort him/her, honor, and keep him/her in sickness and in health; and, forsaking all others, keep myself only unto him/her, so long as we both shall live!". If that's not a partnership for a lifetime, I don't know what is!

That certainly is the basis of a partnership of a lifetime!

Now if you add that pesky 'obey' part for the wife, it would be the basis for an actual marriage.

Why are women so afraid of that now? Our Great+ Grandmothers were strong and confident enough to accept the 'obey' part.... They were so strong, confident and accomplished that didn't want a partner, they actually wanted a Man!

Y'know, like when people used to stay married and we had mommies AND daddies?

Meh, I'm done--thanks for helping me put a final touch to my point. You did well....

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

Very well stated.

[cyborg]

If you're going to be a wife, why do you need a maid?

[F16Fighter]

ROFL...

That "turkey blaster" crack was killer...

[cyborg]

I know someone who would need one of those to reproduce herself.

[F16Fighter]

"Don't let the lil' boys take you down, personally I believe that most men are scared of a strong woman because of stereotyping..."

Oh please, you two...

Just admit it -- you don't want in ANY sense, shape or form to be deferential in the least to a MAN. That's what this is all about.

And anyway, isn't that even how nature has planned it? Not to mention God -- if you want to take it in that direction.

You can still be strong -- be an intellectual Amazon if you need to; But not at the expense of "compassion." Or arrogance. I'd tell you both to stuff your respective IQs and pretty little heads.

So go ahead -- tell us you can be Mother Teresa and Leona Helmsley and Ann Coulter wrapped in one neat package. Sure, it's possible...That's quite a tightrope, girls (may I call you "girls"??)

I suppose even Malkin and Coulter would tell you that in order for them to respect a "man," he needs some kind swagger and air of confidence. If in cultivating a relationship it's more important IOW, for you both to compete with a man and get GREEDY about it, you're looking for something else.

So remember -- You MAY have your prey by more than a few IQ points, but there IS such a thing as blowing it by displaying a low emotional IQ.

[F16Fighter]

"I know someone who would need one of those to reproduce herself."

Takes a bit of emotion out of the experience...I THINK....Probably the entire point to the exercise.

[cyborg]

So...ready for the experience? :O)

[beavus]

Good point.

[uglybiker]

So...ready for the experience? :O)

Can't you just hear her doing a cover for Jimi Hendrix?

So.....Are you experienced?

[cyborg]

LOL

[F16Fighter]

Aw, thanks -- my dream-girl. What a sight to behold just before beddy-bye...

Btw, in the spirit of relativity, Miss Thomas is considered an "attractive," "strong" smart business woman type, right?

[cyborg]

Right ;-)

[Quinotto]

RESPECT is earned, it is not a freebie. I see your feeble responses, your need to be blindly obeyed by your wife and nothing else comes to mind but our Lord, Jesus Christ. Read John, the entire chapter 11 and there you shall see how He interacted with women and what He said about our eternal life. It has nothing to do with IQ (why did you feel the need to mention it, I fail to see that, not even once in my answers, I based one's behavior on one's IQ but I will leave that to the true mental professionals to analyze your typical Pavlovian response), but it has everything to do with people. Even before Christ came, if you remember from the OT, a man could divorce his wife for the more feeble reason(like dinner not being prepared on time), imagine how stable the marriage had to be (SIC) and the insecurity and cruelty it brought to women. It was again, Christ Himself who changed all that in proclaiming that both man and woman had the right to divorce the other, but only on the grounds of adultery(and yet even then divorce was certainly not how God designed marriage to be).->Mark 10:11-12

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Galatians 3:28: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

[Quinotto]

A final touch to what point? All you managed to do is repeat like a parrot YOUR notion on how a marriage should be. Clearly, you have the right to your beliefs. And as far as a woman's need to have a man, you are completely correct, but this is where the differences come into place: your idea of a man is quite different of my idea of a man and while I admit that I do not want someone that will obey me, at the same time I do not want someone who expects me to obey him. It's elementary my dear Watson, I only expect a man who will always trust my decisions implicitly, the same way I will trust his. And trust, just like respect, it's something which is earned and it's something which goes both ways. Working together in a relationship for the same common goals is what I expect a marriage to be.