Skip to comments.Same-Sex Marriage - A Threat To Whom?
Posted on 12/23/2004 7:40:45 AM PST by Ernie.cal
I have read many messages which object to same-sex marriage but I am still waiting to learn what specific adverse consequences opponents of gay marriage anticipate to result from its legalization.
In other words, suppose same-sex marriage becomes law during 2005. By 2010 or 2015 what specific indisputable adverse consequences to society do opponents predict to occur?
With respect to those critics of same-sex marriage who refer to "God's law" and "procreation" --- do they believe that heterosexual couples who cannot have children, or who do not wish to have children, should also NOT be allowed to marry?
The essence of a free society is choice---including the option of choosing private behavior that does not cause harm to another person. The alternative is coercion, i.e. using the coercive (and punitive) power of government through laws, bureaucrats, and police to dictate what choices are permissible.
Do opponents of same-sex marriage propose that our society should begin identifying areas where choices involving human intimacy should be regulated by government entities and thus dilute our commitment to the values inherent in a free society?
and I am the Queen of England
Like divorce, same-sex "marriage" will legitimize untraditional families to the detriment of children raised in those families.
Elton John is that you??
So, in your judgment, divorce should also not be permitted because it causes harm to children?
"and I am the Queen of England"
Elton is that you?
With gay marriage legal, society, and especially schools, will be continually offering the "gay lifestyle" as a valid choice. Our kids don't need that crap pushed down their throats, especially at such a young and impressionable age.
That will teach me to go though all the replies before I post
Just look at the marriage rate in the scandanvian countries that have legalized gay marriage. they have plummetted. at stake is the two-parent traditional family structure. widely recognized as the most beneficial for children.
It's just a definition of terms and the legal recognition associated with those terms. It's simply "not" marriage. Other legal "union" terms do apply.
As to the impact...it is clear to anyone with common sense. Our society as a whole is based upon strong nuclear families capable of raising strong, moral children capable of going forward and doing the same. And yes, according to the people who founded this nation, morality and religion was a predominant factor, to whit:
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."- John Adams, Oct. 11, 1798As we get further and further away from these foundational principlest, we impact society negatively. IMHO, no fault divorce is another destructive device as regards families and their ability to provied that essential underpinning and foundation of society.
Just my opinion.
Its not a matter of how it affects or hurts me. I do not want my children growing up in a society that says homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle. Its immoral and against the teachings of the bible. Whats next? How does 3 people getting married to each other affect me or you? It doesn't. But that does not make it right.
I actually agree with this. If gays want to get married, good for them, I don't care.
Great minds think alike.
It wasnt that long ago that companies would provide things like health coverage for their employees and it also covered their spouse and children.
That is increasingly uncommon today, in part due to being forced to provide benefits to domestic partners and others if you provide them for a married employee.
Now it is typical for a lot of companies to cover the employee only. If you want to cover a spouse or a child you will pay extra out of pocket to cover them.
If you appreciate things like that, find the nearest proponent of domestic-partnership and thank them.
I think it is a threat to society at large, because it is disgusting. We're talking about some very perverted, cynical behavior, and they want us to collectively condone it. I think that if we collectively condone it, there will be more of the disgusting behavior, because having society's approbation somehow gives others, who might otherwise be reticent, courage to get into the behavior. And therein lies the problem for me: there is an attempt here to degrade society, to rot it from within, and I am not willing to have it happen.
It is also very deadly behavior. Early death sucks.
Again, suppose you are correct in your assumption. Suppose children perceive the "gay lifestyle" to be a "valid choice". What specific demonstrable harm to society do you predict will occur?
What evidence do you have from countries like Denmark to support your thesis about the danger of affirming the "gay lifestyle"?
If your child is raised to believe in YOUR values, then what difference does the existence of "alternative lifestyle" make---since your kids will reject it anyway--if they honor your judgments and values.
Call me a knee jerk reactionary, but since this idea comes from the liberal left, I have to think it is a bad idea. After all, the liberal left gave us the welfare state, separation of church and state, sex education, abortion, NARAL and the ACLU.
In other words, an overt appearance is not required for there to be a demonstrable effect.
A deepening rut in our societal norms is not something to be thought of as negligible.
Its all about money , not love. You can love your dog ,Fido, if you want for all I care. Just dont expect me to offer Fido your pension or your life insurance or your health insurance.
Libertarians also want to legalize drugs, prostitution and unrestricted gambling.
They also are against metal detectors at airports, the Nativity scene on public property, etc.
What makes you think they are right on this issue?
Imagine that the husband is having one type of sex while the wife is having another type of sex.
That would be so frustrating for them...
I would certainly end the no-fault divorce. Divorce rates have doubled since they were instituted in 1960.
It demeans the institution of marriage..
Do you believe that homosexuality is a choice?? If young children are exposed to gay lifestyles they will be more prone to becoming gay themselves??
And Im not opposed to that BTW. In fact, Im all for it if the choice is between doing that and providing a freebie for the domestic partners.
Further, I have no doubt that once the homosexual movement acheives the goal of legal marriage they will then demand greater access to children and demand reproductive "rights" in that they will want laws changed to make baby buying/womb renting legal and of course force adoption agencies to consider their households appropriate placements, thus denying available children to loving and NORMAL households.
radical feminists are waging a culture war on america. we can witness their attempts to rewrite american history, ban traditonal american values, and increase their political influence over traditional americans.
western civilization has evolved over thousands of years. why should america give in to a radical experiment by a fringe group with dubious moral values?
Of course, if you cite other examples of allowing the foundation of society to be weakened, and point out the cesspool we are living in because of it, they will claim that there is no "undisputable" eveidence that their latest sickness will fester and cause more harm. The slippery-slope theory has panned out time and again, but those who profit from it will not concede - it is up to the righteous to stop this nonsense.
Sorry, but someone's not going to get their Christmas wish, if this country is to survive. Of all the issues facing us, this is the most destructive.
Memo to homos: Just go somewhere where you can get what you want, instead of trying to change a whole country for your own whims.
Pity that the freaks seem to understand the process of self government better than the people who really deserve it.
Have the majority assent to a major paradigm shift that alters our moral fabric just to accomodate the squeaky wheel minority? ... I don't think so.
Since you don't care, ignore the arguments against it.
I am all for "gay marriage" as in gay men marrying lesbians. hehe
Well I thought it was funny..........
The behavior is morally harmful. Homosexuality should be tolerated, not condoned. What gays are demanding is really a change in what is morally acceptable--and most people of faith simply cannot concede this point.
It shouldn't be made easy.
Do you also oppose laws against polygamy?
If society confers the same benefits on homosexual couples, it ipso facto eliminates such motivations to form stable, childrearing families. In that case, it might as well eliminate the benefits for all couples, since there is no longer the desired motivational effect. Thus, in the long run, legitimate married couples could be deprived of such benefits.
Your message (below) is absurd.
(1) First, very few companies provide benefits to "domestic partners".
(2) Second, in those companies which do provide benefits, the gay enrollee pays the same increased premium for 2-party coverage that a straight couple pays.
(3) Third, the primary reason why companies reduce health care benefits has nothing whatsoever to do with "domestic partners" -- Instead, it simply a mathematical computation, i.e. people are living longer, they use ever-more-expensive drugs and treatments, and the cost of health care is simply rising so fast that it is not affordable, especially to a smaller company.
"It wasnt that long ago that companies would provide things like health coverage for their employees and it also covered their spouse and children. That is increasingly uncommon today, in part due to being forced to provide benefits to domestic partners and others if you provide them for a married employee. Now it is typical for a lot of companies to cover the employee only. If you want to cover a spouse or a child you will pay extra out of pocket to cover them."
If you appreciate things like that, find the nearest proponent of domestic-partnership and thank them.
I'm with you. If two adults want to marry each other, why should I care? Laws against gay marriage just give the state more power to interfere in the lives of free citizens.
What next, multiple marriage partners, pedophilia, bestiality? Who can say that other forms of marriage are not worth valid consideration. If gay marriage is accepted as normal it opens the door to other lust driven perverted lifestyles to become normal.
How about the health aspects of gay sex? No one should wish this type of destructive behavior on society as normal
There is no reason to redefine marriage to include anything other than one man and one woman.
Let me ask this: How would gay marriage benefit society?
Poster's specialty is Birchers. Let's not drag the LaRouchies in.
You haven't answered my question. Why just couples?
Is your argument that government should not dictate any relationship laws?
Marriage was instituted by God in the Bible. Homosexuality is condemned in the same Bible. Why do you think you need have the blessing of God and the church on something that goes against what they both stand for? Go ahead and do what you want, just don't expect to have the blessings of those who disagree with the whole concept.
No fault divorce should be abolished if there are children involved.
And also, why not animals and children?
This is where I object. I don't have a problem with civil unions (I do personally, explained below) as long as they don't harm another person but any lawful union between same sex couples that opens the door to allow them to adopt children should be forbidden. IMO, homosexuals shouldn't be allowed access to children any more than any other sexual deviant, such as a child molester. This includes teaching in schools, working in daycare centers or anywhere else there are children. I'm also not in favor of one same sex partner providing insurance for the other partner unless they purchase the coverage themselves. I don't like to see them included in a group plan that the rest of us help pay for. I would support psychiatric help for them though if it would change them because I truly believe they are mentally ill and I have compassion for anybody that is sick.
My personal feelings about civil unions come from a moral point of view. I feel it's wrong for heterosexuals to live together in an unmarried state also, but I don't impose my views on them. If a same sex couple wants to live together, I wouldn't say anything as long as there aren't children involved. I will never support legal marriage for them. I never really had a huge problem with them until they started getting in our faces and trying to push their agenda on us. If they stay in the closet and leave normal people alone and they will be much better off.
Right on. By the way, I live within sight of the Natty Boh brewery. Cheers!
True. It sounds like some people want to eliminate all laws regarding relationships.