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N.C. homeless shelter evicts pregnant woman, three sons (Christmas spirit)
News Record.com ^ | 12-23-04

Posted on 12/24/2004 6:10:16 PM PST by jb6

12-23-04

From Staff Reports

Posted 2:05 p.m.

ELIZABETH CITY (AP) — The director of a homeless shelter says he was right to evict a 21-year-old pregnant woman and her three children after the woman violated one of the shelter's rules by allowing her children's uncle to visit in her room.

"We have to have order," said the Rev. Oliver S. Robinson, director of the Tabernacle of Faith Church Outreach Center. "She herself created this situation. She is a young woman who does not want to listen to anybody. And it don't matter what time of year it is, winter time, Christmas time, cold time or whatever."

Valan Garland and her three boys were evicted Tuesday from the shelter, where they had stayed for about four months while waiting for an income-based apartment to open. She paid $50 a month as a donation.

On Tuesday, however, she broke one of the shelter's strict rules, Garland said. The paternal aunt and uncle of her three children came to visit their nephews. When the shelter's caretaker, Rhonda O'Neal, returned, Garland says she realized there was a man in her room.

Garland said she asked the couple to continue their visit outside, which they did. But Robinson told Garland she had to leave, giving until 9 a.m. Wednesday to vacate.

"These are not the easiest people to deal with," Robinson said of shelter clients. "We have to have rules and order."

Garland, eight months pregnant, began crying as she strapped her children into their car seats after loading the trunk of her car with belongings. She then left with Xavier, 1, Javonte, 3, and T'Keel, 5, still in their bedclothes.

At least until Christmas, the family plans to stay with Garland's mother in a one-room apartment in Edenton.

The two-story shelter has been a soup kitchen since 1996. In 1998 also became a shelter for women and children. The approximately 2,000-square-foot building has 10 beds in two apartments and a loft.

Garland sees no parallels between her situation and that of the biblical Mary and Joseph, who couldn't find any place to stay for the night on what's considered the first Christmas Eve.

"I don't know if I feel like this is related to Jesus and Mary," Garland said. "But I do feel like it has something to do with the devil. The devil has to put it in your heart to put children out in the night three days before Christmas."

Robinson said his shelter is a credit to the community.

"These people need tough love," Robinson said. "I don't feel comfortable with it. God don't get no pleasure punishing us. But he does it. Jesus would have done the same thing."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: christmas; homeless; hypocrits; selfrighteousness; spirit
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1 posted on 12/24/2004 6:10:17 PM PST by jb6
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To: jb6

Why doesn't the author state the obvious. Where is the father?


2 posted on 12/24/2004 6:16:59 PM PST by freekitty
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To: jb6

She has a mother with an apartment, and an uncle, who lives somewhere, and a car to get around with. Sounds to me like she isn't going to freeze to death and neither are her children.

Maybe she could do something radical, like her social worker could arrange for childcare while she went to work. After 4 months "waiting for housing," I would bet this incident is the last straw, not the first.


3 posted on 12/24/2004 6:18:13 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: jb6

Jeez, dude, have a heart.


4 posted on 12/24/2004 6:18:16 PM PST by Darkwolf377
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To: jb6

"Garland sees no parallels between her situation and that of the biblical Mary and Joseph"



me either.


5 posted on 12/24/2004 6:18:19 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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To: jb6

This is as bad as the 32 people evicted from a church in Springfield MO. Regardless of where the father is, this wasn't right.


6 posted on 12/24/2004 6:19:42 PM PST by swmobuffalo (the only good terrorist is a dead one)
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To: jb6

She has aunts and uncles to stay with. If she was so poor - how much was her car worth? Wanna bet she has a cell phone?

According to the latest economic reports from the E.U., Germany has just surpassed the economy of Arkansas (the poorest state in the USA - usually) Our "poor", if they moved to the EU, would be in the TOP 10% richest in europe!!

I do not feel sorry for 90% of our "poor". They have a hell of a lot more than I did 20 years ago.


7 posted on 12/24/2004 6:21:38 PM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: jb6
I have worked in homeless shelters. Unfortunately, if you don't keep military-like discipline, the entire place quickly deteriorates into chaos.

A good portion of your typical occupants are alcoholic, drug addicted or mentally ill. Many have trouble living by the rules (which is usually why they are there in the first place.) In that sort of environment, unfortunately, you can't start making exceptions and there have to be consistent consequences. She knew the rule, she broke it, she's out.

Also, according to the manager, this lady has caused a lot of trouble and friction in this shelter. The management may appear heartless, but they have their other clients to look out for.

8 posted on 12/24/2004 6:21:49 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: jb6

I don't get what the big problem was.


9 posted on 12/24/2004 6:22:19 PM PST by TheRatHunter
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To: jb6
Jesus would have done the same thing

I don't think so bub!

10 posted on 12/24/2004 6:23:30 PM PST by pctech
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To: jb6
Reading between the lines it sounds like she had been giving them a hard time.

They probably used that as an excuse for evicting her.

11 posted on 12/24/2004 6:23:50 PM PST by yarddog
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To: jb6

21 y/o with 3 childern and one on the way....wow.. that is alot to deal with......


12 posted on 12/24/2004 6:24:15 PM PST by marmar (Faith is a beautiful thing.....)
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To: socialismisinsidious
GIMME a break!!! Can't people here even be nice on Christmas. This was absolutely absurd. What ever happened to peace, love, and Christian charity? What would Jesus Do?
13 posted on 12/24/2004 6:25:32 PM PST by osceola
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To: freekitty
Why doesn't the author state the obvious. Where is the father?

Likely answer--which one?

14 posted on 12/24/2004 6:27:44 PM PST by NautiNurse (Silent Night, Holy Night, all is calm, all is bright...Jesus, Lord, at thy birth)
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To: jb6
a 21-year-old pregnant woman and her three children

Wow! Ummmm... Not to be a scrooge or anything, but I think she needs to take a good hard look at her situation before she decides to pop out anymore children.

As unfortunate as this sounds... I wouldn't be surprised if this news story gets her kids taken away from her by Social Services.

15 posted on 12/24/2004 6:27:45 PM PST by BROKKANIC
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To: jb6
"...a 21-year-old pregnant woman and her three children..."
16 posted on 12/24/2004 6:27:53 PM PST by Voice in your head ("The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." - Thucydides)
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To: freekitty
Why doesn't the author state the obvious. Where is the father?

Anyone want to take odds that in this case it's fathers? If any two of those children had the same father, I'd be amazed.

17 posted on 12/24/2004 6:28:34 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (Democrats: Tolerant of all people and opinions. Except me & mine - Conservative, Christian.)
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To: marmar
21 y/o with 3 childern and one on the way....

And such creative names, too:

Xavier, 1, Javonte, 3, and T'Keel, 5

18 posted on 12/24/2004 6:29:15 PM PST by Nathaniel Fischer
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To: osceola
your response is exactly why "staff reporters" put that line in the article. what an absurd line
19 posted on 12/24/2004 6:31:46 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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To: jb6

She lived there for four months; she certainly knew the rules. They're generous enough to run a homeless shelter, so I'm sure they weren't just looking for an excuse to kick her out unless she had a long record of trouble-making. And if they make an exception here, what's to stop other occupants from breaking the rules?


20 posted on 12/24/2004 6:31:59 PM PST by Nathaniel Fischer
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To: osceola
A large problem with welfare brood mares is keeping them from bringing males into their rooms.
21 posted on 12/24/2004 6:32:01 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (I went to school for 20 years, well I went to the 10th grade twice.)
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To: jb6

"But I do feel like it has something to do with the devil.


That's gratitude for you. She's been living there for four months and now she thinks the devil is involved.


22 posted on 12/24/2004 6:33:52 PM PST by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....................Get over it.)
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To: jb6
Garland, eight months pregnant, began crying as she strapped her children into their car seats after loading the trunk of her car with belongings.

Uh....

23 posted on 12/24/2004 6:36:17 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: osceola
I think people use this venue to vent frustration with the broken system. I can't imagine allowing my daughter and her children to stay in a homeless shelter. I don't care if I lived in a tent trailer, my kid would not be in a shelter. Whatever happened to families taking care of their families?
Maybe we should ask her family where their PEACE LOVE and Charity is?
24 posted on 12/24/2004 6:37:04 PM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: jb6

As Nietzsche said: Pity for the botched only perpetuates decadence.


25 posted on 12/24/2004 6:38:21 PM PST by Kurt_D
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To: jb6
A fine gentleman I knew for many years in USPS had come North to Indianapolis with his father and mother when he was a child. The coal fields had collapsed as a source of employment with the arrival of mechanization.

They lived in their car near Knightstown, Indiana for a couple of years.

There's holy ground around there somewhere because nobody bothered them, and they were kept safe and warm until the father found work and a roof.

26 posted on 12/24/2004 6:40:38 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: socialismisinsidious

For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, (Mat 25:35 NIV)

I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' (Mat 25:36 NIV)

"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? (Mat 25:37 NIV)

When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? (Mat 25:38 NIV)

When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' (Mat 25:39 NIV)

"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' (Mat 25:40 NIV)

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. (Mat 25:41 NIV)

For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, (Mat 25:42 NIV)

I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' (Mat 25:43 NIV)

"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' (Mat 25:44 NIV)

"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' (Mat 25:45 NIV)

"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." (Mat 25:46 NIV)


27 posted on 12/24/2004 6:42:02 PM PST by osceola
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To: osceola
GIMME a break!!! Can't people here even be nice on Christmas. This was absolutely absurd. What ever happened to peace, love, and Christian charity?

These shelter operators DO peace, love, and charity every single day of the year. It isn't a holiday feel good for them, it's what they do. Many more hours than most of us give. They don't throw people out without cause... and every single one of them has a story.

28 posted on 12/24/2004 6:44:42 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Keith in Iowa
Well, according to this...

The paternal aunt and uncle of her three children came to visit their nephews

...it seems the three children share a father. Unless they were fathered by different men who are each others' brothers.

Probably not.

29 posted on 12/24/2004 6:47:42 PM PST by closet freeper
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To: osceola

The shelter operators were doing far more work in the spirit of those verses than most of us (though I can't speak for you), but that doesn't mean that they ignore repeated rule violations.


30 posted on 12/24/2004 6:50:01 PM PST by Nathaniel Fischer
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To: HairOfTheDog

Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" (Mat 18:21 NIV)

Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times. (Mat 18:22 NIV)


31 posted on 12/24/2004 6:53:25 PM PST by osceola
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To: osceola
so invite her to your house...she still isn't Mary.


she broke the rules and now unfortunately her children are paying the price.


btw: Jesus had a lot to say to the unchaste too.
32 posted on 12/24/2004 6:53:34 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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To: osceola

I have a great program called QuickVerse and boy you can look quotes up in a flash. Has anyone else tried it. It took me a long time to find it again for win98. I used to use it all the time in window 3.1


33 posted on 12/24/2004 6:56:23 PM PST by osceola
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To: osceola

we noticed : )


34 posted on 12/24/2004 6:56:51 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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To: osceola

So go work in a shelter. It's a dang hard job providing services to everyone who needs help and forgiveness. I am sure they could use your help.


35 posted on 12/24/2004 6:59:00 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: osceola

In this case, the common good overrides the individual's needs. Can you imagine if they didn't have rules or if everyone broke the rules?

The place would cease to exist. It would be a complete failure.

Rules are needed; people's actions have consequences.

This woman's eviction may help hundreds of people in the future because the safe house will survive and the place will be there for others.


36 posted on 12/24/2004 6:59:13 PM PST by i_dont_chat
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To: socialismisinsidious
I've taken in people before and actually gotten burned a couple times doing it, but I just can't see turning little children out into the cold. It seems like they could give her till the end of the month to find some place to go. Maybe I'm just an easy touch, but I definitely know what it's like to be down on your luck. People treat you like your a leper (untouchable). Thank God for the good Christians that have helped me out from time to time and taught me what being a Christian means.
37 posted on 12/24/2004 7:03:54 PM PST by osceola
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To: Nathaniel Fischer
T'Keel, 5

With a name like that the youngest child must have a Vulcan for a father.
38 posted on 12/24/2004 7:05:42 PM PST by redheadtoo
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To: redheadtoo

T'Keel, 5 is 5 years old so actually his name is just T'Keel


39 posted on 12/24/2004 7:11:19 PM PST by osceola
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To: HairOfTheDog

If she was there for months beforehand and has had trouble more than once couldn't they have waited two days before tossing her out? I am all for tough love and following the rules but you do have to have some compassion, imo.


40 posted on 12/24/2004 7:11:57 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (Up is down, Black is white but I do *NOT* love Big Brother)
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To: osceola
From your FR profile:   Nothing to see here move on
41 posted on 12/24/2004 7:15:48 PM PST by Buddy B
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To: osceola

Peace on earth goodwill towards man. God bless you all this Christmas eve and thanks for the lively debate. I love it as long as we can all agree to disagree and still be friends. I think that is what this board is for. Gotta go. Later


42 posted on 12/24/2004 7:16:29 PM PST by osceola
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To: Personal Responsibility

Yes... She was there for months, has been trouble before, and was thrown out. I've worked with the people who do this kind of work and I'd trust their judgment over a story designed to make us feel sorry for this woman.

I feel sorry for her too. She'll get another chance, and another, I hope. She's young, she's got a tough row to hoe, who knows, maybe this will put her back in touch with her family.

On the other hand, think of the Christmas miracle this is for someone else who can now get in to this shelter for Christmas. Someone else who now has this chance.


43 posted on 12/24/2004 7:18:40 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: osceola
Remember that beggars in Christ's time were authorized by the community leaders to be beggars. You didn't just grab a tin cup and go beg because you felt like it even then. Also review Pauls instructions regarding helping widows in the church. In an age where a woman without a man was like a fish out of water, couldn't own property, inherit anything etc. he instructed them to engage in means testing. Young women were pressured to marry, not helped and enabled to remain spouseless. Women with relatives were pressured to use their relatives as a resource. In the end it was old, poor, widow women without another source that got any help.

Permit us the same Godly wisdom. Thank you.

44 posted on 12/24/2004 7:32:06 PM PST by Lester Moore (Islam is begging to be destroyed by a Christian Crusade! Forthcoming!)
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To: freekitty

The proper question is, "Where are the fathers?" As in plural.


45 posted on 12/24/2004 7:50:45 PM PST by Goldwater4ever (Voted early, voted often... for Bush)
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To: Personal Responsibility
If she was there for months beforehand and has had trouble more than once couldn't they have waited two days before tossing her out? I am all for tough love and following the rules but you do have to have some compassion, imo

I agree... they could have shown compassion for the children and let them have a Christmas.

46 posted on 12/24/2004 8:06:25 PM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: SouthernFreebird

To many people get caught up in harsh love and miss out on the love part.


47 posted on 12/24/2004 8:08:32 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: osceola

I hope you realize that in this verse Jesus is speaking about a Christian "brother" and not just another human being whois not a believer.


48 posted on 12/24/2004 8:08:56 PM PST by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: freekitty
Where is the father?

Or fathers.

49 posted on 12/24/2004 8:19:15 PM PST by FreePaul
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To: hinckley buzzard

I'm split on this issue.

On the one hand, she was thrown out before Christmas, with her children punished for her breaking the rules...

On the other, She must have known the rules in the first place, and should have obeyed them for her children...

I guess this place had a lot of "Uncles, Brothers, and male cousins" visiting in the past and is tring to cut down on the "pregnant young woman in the shelter" sterotype.


50 posted on 12/24/2004 8:57:50 PM PST by Atomicfever
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