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Bison Bone Discovery Turns B.C. History Upside-Down
My Telus ^ | 12-31-2004

Posted on 01/01/2005 9:22:55 PM PST by blam

Friday, Dec 31, 2004

Bison bone discovery turns B.C. history upside-down

PENTICTON (BC Newspaper Group) — The year 2004 ends with a major story in archaeology, revealed by the use of new DNA technology on ancient bison bones scattered around western North America.

The findings profoundly affect our understanding of how North America was populated by humans, and could have an impact on aboriginal politics as well.

The conventional wisdom, taught to generations in school, speaks of a land bridge connecting Asia with Alaska. This now-submerged bridge was created by lower sea levels in the last ice age, which ended about 8,500 years ago. It was postulated that prehistoric tribes followed herds of migrating big animals down through an ice-free corridor roughly along the Rocky Mountains, eventually reaching all points of the continent and establishing what are now revered as the First Nations.

It is now becoming clear that this conventional wisdom is wrong, or at least woefully incomplete.

Lionel Jackson of the Geological Survey of Canada and Mike Wilson of Douglas College gave a talk on the latest findings Dec. 7 at the H.R. MacMillan Space Centre in Vancouver. Their work relates to DNA findings from an Oxford University team that focused on bison, the most widespread and persistent large animals of the era.

Two big points come out of the Oxford study: Bison were in decline, for reasons not yet clear, as much as 10,000 years before ice and human hunters put pressure on them, and the ice-free corridor was closed at least during the peak of the ice age. Isolated from the rest of the continent by glaciers, the northern bison died out. All of today's bison are descendants of a small southern group that eventually spread back up north.

It follows that nomadic hunting people may also have populated Western Canada from the south.

Indeed, this south-to-north migration theory has been around for a while, but hasn't had much media attention. Jon Driver, a researcher at SFU who studied bones and artifacts in Charlie Lake Cave near Fort St. John, reached this conclusion in 1996:

"All of the available evidence suggests that the peopling of the western interior of Canada in the post-glacial period occurred from the south."

The Oxford DNA result strongly suggests that Driver was right.

Other scientific studies are also poking holes in the accepted patterns of human migration. November's Smithsonian magazine reports on several discoveries that are too old to be explained by an ice-free corridor that formed only 12,000 years ago, such as the Gault site in central Texas. Elsewhere, high cliffs that would have been above the ice level suggest pockets of life that may have survived through ice ages.

As the Smithsonian article notes, it's also becoming more popular to look at boats as the means of humanity's spread. Skin boats used by Inuit whalers suggest the technology has been around for a long time, in reach of stone-age hunters and migrations could thus have come from Europe as well as Asia. The Europeans-first idea is described as "radical" and "heretical" by Smithsonian, but it's supported by startling similarities in stone-tool technology from Europe and North America.

At the Vancouver lecture, I asked Mike Wilson of Douglas College what he thought of the fuss made over Kennewick Man, the European-looking fellow with a stone spearpoint in his hip who was found on an eroding bank of the Columbia River near Kennewick, Wash. in 1996. Wilson shrugged the story off as mostly media hype, noting that Kennewick Man is a mere 9,000 years old and that Asia wasn't as genetically homogenous back then as people tend to assume.

So what does all this mean for aboriginal politics in Canada?

Well, today's cultural preservation dogma demands a rigid system of communal land ownership. This communal system, which is a proven, ongoing disaster, is strictly race-based. The idea of multiple migrations of overlapping races, in an ebb and flow over millennia, doesn't sit well with the First Nations power structure that reaps the benefit of the status quo.

Canada's race-based politics are simply wrongheaded. They perpetuate division by awarding more and more special rights to certain people. And these policies are based on a racial occupation theory that is slowly unravelling, as science makes its slow and steady march toward the truth.


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"...and that Asia wasn't as genetically homogenous back then as people tend to assume."

I came to that conclusion a couple years ago. The people that are presently in China are not the same people who were there as short as 6,000 years ago.

Looks like the Canadians are getting something correct. NAGRA ought to be on it's last leg in this country, but it's not.

1 posted on 01/01/2005 9:22:58 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 01/01/2005 9:24:10 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
The people that are presently in China are not the same people who were there as short as 6,000 years ago.

If they are you've got a very very big story. : )

3 posted on 01/01/2005 9:25:13 PM PST by bigsigh
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To: blam
In Ohio, within some of the Indian mounds, are the remnants of a race of people who were giants, avg. height of 7 ft or more, and they had twin rows of teeth.

For a time, beginning two centuries ago, some "grave robbers," so to speak, would dig into the mounds, and skulls and such were collected.

These artifacts were too fragile to survive exposure and all decomposed in short order. There are none remaining, except in some of the mounds that long ago were ordered OFF LIMITS.

So the story goes.

4 posted on 01/01/2005 9:31:55 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: blam

YEC INTREP


5 posted on 01/01/2005 9:32:46 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Secularization of America is happening)
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To: blam
I think that there would be real legs on the matter if this was about 200 years ago, not thousands of years ago.
6 posted on 01/01/2005 9:33:16 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: blam

bump


7 posted on 01/01/2005 9:33:54 PM PST by Mercat (I know my Redeemer lives)
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To: First_Salute

Oh, come on.

Throughout American history, the 'Indian Mounds' were the source of all kinds of weird ideas and theories, even from otherwise sensible folk. Sounds like you're propagating a couple of whoppers there.

Ol' Joe Smith had a few tall tales of his own along these lines. Those stories look particularly whacked in retrospect.


8 posted on 01/01/2005 9:37:36 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Shaking nine point oh - With a deadly wave goodbye - oh four departed...)
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To: First_Salute
"In Ohio, within some of the Indian mounds, are the remnants of a race of people who were giants, avg. height of 7 ft or more, and they had twin rows of teeth."

I've read about these. Once I discovered some photographs of some skulls of these people on the internet...It was in an Ohio museum somewhere, but I've been unable to relocated them. The tooth thing is called hypodentology, or something close to that.

Oh yeah, I think they were called Adena Skulls.

9 posted on 01/01/2005 9:41:39 PM PST by blam
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To: EternalVigilance

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/ohiogiants.html


10 posted on 01/01/2005 9:42:16 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: EternalVigilance; First_Salute
The Adena People

" Adena folk were unusually tall and powerfully built; women over six feet tall and men approaching heights of seven feet have been discovered. It would seem that a band of strikingly different people of great presence and majesty had forced their way into the Ohio Valley from somewhere about 1000 B.C. - Robert Silverberg

11 posted on 01/01/2005 9:48:30 PM PST by blam
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To: First_Salute

No photos there.


12 posted on 01/01/2005 9:50:02 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: First_Salute

You believe that stuff?


13 posted on 01/01/2005 9:52:21 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Shaking nine point oh - With a deadly wave goodbye - oh four departed...)
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To: First_Salute

I suppose you believe in the Cardiff Giant and in Joe Smith's golden plates, too...


14 posted on 01/01/2005 9:53:40 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Shaking nine point oh - With a deadly wave goodbye - oh four departed...)
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To: blam

Damn! This is major and it changes the "history" of mankind radically. However, I have a feeling that mainstream science will "bury" this information until it becomes impossible to ignore. I can also see how this has the potential to throw put even more doubt on the unproven theory of evolution.


15 posted on 01/01/2005 9:54:46 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: blam
I think actually, they were pre-Adena. The Adena brought with them some mound technology. My guess is that the old Indian folklore is correct, that there was a confederacy of what we now think of average-sized Indian peoples, who came together to "annihilate the abhorrent Ronnongwetowanca." I suspect there were a serious of battles in the war, that raged from west of the Mississippi on up the Ohio River Valley. The victors, mostly Adena, buried all the enemy in a series of mounds and fortress walls.

As the saying goes among some tribes, they attacked the enemy and "rubbed them out" (is the literal translation).

The link that I gave above, reminded me of reading up on the topic some time ago.

I became curious because there is a mound that is just three hundred yards from my front door. It is almost 50 ft in diameter and about twenty feet high.

16 posted on 01/01/2005 9:55:14 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: First_Salute
"I became curious because there is a mound that is just three hundred yards from my front door. It is almost 50 ft in diameter and about twenty feet high."

Can't say for sure what went on but, there are a lot of stories/myths...and, usually where there's smoke, there's fire. So...

17 posted on 01/01/2005 9:59:09 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Looks like the Southern border has been porous for a long time.


18 posted on 01/01/2005 10:10:38 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Cold Heart

Good one!

Buy anyway, it would be great if Europeans got here first, if for no other reason than to see the heads exploding all across academia.


19 posted on 01/01/2005 10:15:21 PM PST by Aetius
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To: blam
Once I discovered some photographs of some skulls of these people on the internet

<<< DAMN!!!! >>>

I must not have buried those DU scum deep enough...

20 posted on 01/01/2005 10:43:36 PM PST by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: First_Salute
I became curious because there is a mound that is just three hundred yards from my front door. It is almost 50 ft in diameter and about twenty feet high.

A backhoe is fairly cheap to rent and would be perfect for this type of job!

21 posted on 01/01/2005 10:47:39 PM PST by Ken H
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To: blam
Good article, as usual. However, some of the comments which follow ("twin rows of teeth" and "it changes the history of mankind radically" and "even more doubt on the unproven theory of evolution") seem to miss the importance of this article and these finds. Following an agenda in spite of where the date lead?

But, DNA is providing major clues to population movements, and the rest of us will let the chips fall where they may! Exciting times!

22 posted on 01/01/2005 10:50:03 PM PST by Coyoteman
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To: Coyoteman
where the date lead?

Whoops. That should read:

where the data lead?

23 posted on 01/01/2005 10:54:33 PM PST by Coyoteman
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To: Coyoteman

There are dates here ? Cool where are the freeper match makers at...


24 posted on 01/01/2005 11:02:55 PM PST by Flavius ("... we should reconnoitre assiduosly... " Vegetius)
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To: wagglebee
I can also see how this has the potential to throw put even more doubt on the unproven theory of evolution.

Well if if were proven I don't think they would call it a theory.

25 posted on 01/01/2005 11:42:07 PM PST by duznshwrnkd (There is no 'I' in Team America)
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To: blam
Thanks Blam. "As the Smithsonian article notes, it's also becoming more popular to look at boats as the means of humanity's spread." The problem for the Clovis First and Only school of non-thought is, if people came to the Americas by boat 10,000 years ago, what stopped them after that point? The obvious answer is nothing, and that destroys the cuckoo fantasyland of pristine isolation that grew from politics, analogous to (and similarly rooted) the current Edenic delusion that feeds the global warming bulldung.
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26 posted on 01/02/2005 4:00:35 AM PST by SunkenCiv (the US population in the year 2100 will exceed a billion, perhaps even three billion.)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 4ConservativeJustices; ...

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27 posted on 01/02/2005 4:01:11 AM PST by SunkenCiv (the US population in the year 2100 will exceed a billion, perhaps even three billion.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I've read of these too. Reports are too numerous to discount out of hand.


28 posted on 01/02/2005 5:17:41 AM PST by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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To: Ken H

Take your time, use a trowel, or a flat shovel held at a low angle. A backhoe could destroy far more than you recover. Take lots of pictures, and set up a grid to locate objects with.


29 posted on 01/02/2005 5:24:08 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (Just watching the snow wear out blowing by on its way to Minnesota....)
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To: Professional Engineer

ping


30 posted on 01/02/2005 7:04:30 AM PST by msdrby (Even the smallest person can change the course of the future.)
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To: blam

The tooth thing may seems somewhat far-fetched to some, but really it isn't *that* far from reality. In my family, it is not uncommon for the lower permanent teeth to come in before the baby teeth come out. We have always had to make a trip to the dentist to remove the baby teeth aka 'second row of teeth.'

I don't know anything about hypodentology, and I suppose the second row of teeth in question are not merely baby teeth, but it is not a crazy, off the wall concept.


31 posted on 01/02/2005 7:09:35 AM PST by msdrby (Even the smallest person can change the course of the future.)
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To: Ken H

We think alike! LOL


32 posted on 01/02/2005 7:28:35 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Aetius
"But anyway, it would be great if Europeans got here first, if for no other reason than to see the heads exploding all across academia."

Bye, Bye Beringia

Last I saw on these, the PhD from the DNA lab said the DNA was 'European.'

33 posted on 01/02/2005 7:35:10 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

"I came to that conclusion a couple years ago. The people that are presently in China are not the same people who were there as short as 6,000 years ago."

Could you elaborate on that? Who were the people in 'China' 6,000 years ago and why did you come to that conclusion?


34 posted on 01/02/2005 7:39:37 AM PST by johnmilken (All opinions are just part of the ecology)
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To: Coyoteman
"However, some of the comments which follow ("twin rows of teeth" and "it changes the history of mankind radically" and "even more doubt on the unproven theory of evolution") seem to miss the importance of this article and these finds."

Have you not heard these stories/read articles about people with double-rows of teeth in the Ohio area?

35 posted on 01/02/2005 7:42:15 AM PST by blam
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To: Aetius
Vintage Skulls
36 posted on 01/02/2005 7:57:56 AM PST by blam
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To: johnmilken
"Could you elaborate on that? Who were the people in 'China' 6,000 years ago and why did you come to that conclusion?"

Begin by reading this book The Tarim Mummies, then do a search on the Jomon and Ainu...and then read up on the history of the Hakka Chinese and the Koreans.

The Samurai And The Ainu

Findings by American anthropologist C. Loring Brace, University of Michigan, will surely be controversial in race conscious Japan. The eye of the predicted storm will be the Ainu, a "racially different" group of some 18,000 people now living on the northern island of Hokkaido. Pure-blooded Ainu are easy to spot: they have lighter skin, more body hair, and higher-bridged noses than most Japanese. Most Japanese tend to look down on the Ainu.

Brace has studied the skeletons of about 1,100 Japanese, Ainu, and other Asian ethnic groups and has concluded that the revered samurai of Japan are actually descendants of the Ainu, not of the Yayoi from whom most modern Japanese are descended. In fact, Brace threw more fuel on the fire with:

"Dr. Brace said this interpretation also explains why the facial features of the Japanese ruling class are so often unlike those of typical modern Japanese. The Ainu-related samurai achieved such power and prestige in medieval Japan that they intermarried with royality and nobility, passing on Jomon-Ainu blood in the upper classes, while other Japanese were primarily descended from the Yoyoi." The reactions of Japanese scientists have been muted so. One Japanese anthropologist did say to Brace," I hope you are wrong."

The Ainu and their origin have always been rather mysterious, with some people claiming that the Ainu are really Caucasian or proto-Caucasian - in other words, "white." At present, Brace's study denies this interpretation.

37 posted on 01/02/2005 8:07:03 AM PST by blam
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To: EternalVigilance

Okay, here's one of those great Ohio Indian Mound stories, and it's true. A professor at Georgia College who used to go on digs in Ohio Indian Mounds gave me a plaster cast of what appears to be either an amulet or coin that he found in layers that were dated sometime very early AD or perhaps late BC. The original artifact was very worn, but the figure on it is clearly a familiar theme on some Roman coins, a Winged Victory. FWIW, I'd be glad to post a photo of this plaster cast (if you can instruct me how to post a photo here!)


38 posted on 01/02/2005 8:13:12 AM PST by Nabber
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To: johnmilken
Then read Eden In The East: The Drowned Continent Of SE Asia, Dr Oppenheimer thinks/believes that the Sumerians, Indians (of India), Egyptians and Europeans originate from SE Asia.

James Chatters (of Kennewick Man fame) believes Kennewick Man belonged to a race of people that produced both the Caucasians and Asians of today.

39 posted on 01/02/2005 8:19:15 AM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

Cool! Thanks! :-)


40 posted on 01/02/2005 12:52:16 PM PST by Fedora
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To: msdrby
In my family, it is not uncommon for the lower permanent teeth to come in before the baby teeth come out.

But you have Elvish blood in your family, right? :-)

Happy New Year!!! :-)

41 posted on 01/02/2005 12:53:39 PM PST by Fedora
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To: johnmilken
The Relationship Between The Basque And Ainu
42 posted on 01/02/2005 2:21:03 PM PST by blam
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To: Fedora
Hi Fedora! Yes, elvin blood we do have ;-)

It's been awhile. Good to see you FRiend.
43 posted on 01/02/2005 2:31:18 PM PST by msdrby (Even the smallest person can change the course of the future.)
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Good to see you, too! :-) So it *is* the Elven blood that causes the extra row of teeth--very interesting. . . :-)


44 posted on 01/02/2005 3:15:43 PM PST by Fedora
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To: zot

Ping.


45 posted on 01/03/2005 8:21:02 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

This new theory makes sense. It seems obvious that the Wisconsin Glaciation receded from south to north, so it is logical that animals and men re-populated the area from south to north.

Another problem with the old theory -- the Bering Straits land-bridge may have been dry at the height of the glaciation, but if they crossed it, how could animals or men go by land along the coast south of what is now Alaska? There must have been deep glaciation inland and glaciers from the mountains right into the sea.


46 posted on 01/03/2005 12:37:27 PM PST by zot (GWB -- four more years!)
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