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China's feelings about the Bush victory
Brookes News ^ | 11.08.04 | Peter Zhang

Posted on 01/07/2005 6:38:09 PM PST by Dr. Marten

China's feelings about the Bush victory

Peter Zhang
BrookesNews.Com

Monday 8 November 2004

That Kerry's defeat is a disappointment to the regime is no surprise to China watchers. The regime regarded Kerry as a self-absorbed, vacillating, weak and an unpatriotic man with little or no character. Just the kind of man they would like to see as president of the United States.

Unlike the majority of Kerry's domestic critics he was not seen as a "flip-flopper," far from it. To those schooled in Marxist-Leninist principles anything that serves socialism is justified.

Therefore Kerry's continual reversals, rationalisations, lies and denials were viewed as merely a means to conceal and advance his own view of America. A view that he knew the mass of Americans would find unacceptable. This is why he was forced to sail under false colours.

One effect of Kerry's defeat is to set some wondering about the alleged decline of American power and resolve. There are those who think that America is in a terminal state of decline, despite its recent military victories. A Kerry victory would have lent some force to this view. (In their minds only an ignoramus or someone who detested his country would vote for a man like Kerry).

This is an important point. The more the regime thinks that American resolve is real and strengthening the less inclined it will be to listen to reckless military advice, particularly with respect to Taiwan.

China's America watchers have been delving into the innards of the election result. What they found does not bode well for Chinese militarists or Democrats. The regime, as I have mentioned before, is acutely aware of the powerful influence that America's mainstream media wields in its political affairs.

From their point of view they have for many years considered this influence benign in that it indirectly served the interests of the regime. Kerry's defeat now suggests that this influence is on the wane.

Beijing firmly believes that were it not for the rise of what has become the new or alternative media Kerry would now be president. Moreover they also believe that the results conceal the true magnitude of the Bush victory.

Roughly speaking, if one makes adjustments for the "blame America crowd" and those who were influenced by the media and the mass of anti-Bush propaganda the anti-Kerry vote was massive.

As they see it, the more informed the American public becomes the more it will shift toward the Republicans. This assumes that Democrats will not learn from their mistakes. A reasonable assumption, at least in the short term, considering that the left apparently controls the party.

That the alternative media played a significant role in re-electing Bush troubles the regime. What if the net provides the Chinese people with alternative views and a source of news and facts that could undermine the regime's legitimacy? Expect intensified attempts to control the net.

I think it is safe to conclude that the regime will largely accommodate itself to the Bush administration. Although there still might be some sabre-rattling over Taiwan's independence it will go no further than that.

 


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: china; chinese; commiesforkerry; democrats; electionpresident; geopolitcs; kerry; kerrydefeat
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1 posted on 01/07/2005 6:38:09 PM PST by Dr. Marten
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To: Dr. Marten
In the last few days several items have been posted that made me do a lot of research on the Taiwanese defenses. The single most frequent phrase I ran into was "cancelled by President Clinton". Seems like Clinton did everything he could to prevent Taiwan from defending himself. Many of their defenses were sold before Clinton, and now W is picking up the pace to help Taiwan defend iteself.
You can bet the ChiComs are not happy that W is still president.
2 posted on 01/07/2005 6:43:45 PM PST by ProudVet77 (Let the games begin - It's Friday)
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To: Dr. Marten

" Expect intensified attempts to control the net. "

I can personally testify that this is already going on. My internet access has been cut several times in recent weeks.


3 posted on 01/07/2005 6:44:02 PM PST by Dr. Marten
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To: Dr. Marten
The regime regarded Kerry as a self-absorbed, vacillating, weak and an unpatriotic man with little or no character.

Them and me both.

4 posted on 01/07/2005 6:48:26 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Dr. Marten

Hang in there, Doc. The truth will always find a way to get out. I believe that the 'net is the single biggest threat to tha Chi-coms.


5 posted on 01/07/2005 6:51:18 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: Dr. Marten

Taiwan needs to just put at least one weapon's dump on ever square mile of the island and there is no way that China would risk invading. I would donate to a "Guns for Taiwan" charity.


6 posted on 01/07/2005 6:52:15 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: Dr. Marten
A Kerry victory would have lent some force to this view. (In their minds only an ignoramus or someone who detested his country would vote for a man like Kerry).

How true !!!

7 posted on 01/07/2005 6:54:15 PM PST by Deetes
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To: Dr. Marten; Buckhead
Beijing firmly believes that were it not for the rise of what has become the new or alternative media Kerry would now be president.

ping

8 posted on 01/07/2005 6:57:55 PM PST by Principled
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To: Dr. Marten
China is more aware of the implications of Bush's vicory than even professional and amateur pundits in America. Typical.

Flip-Flopper could be said to be another word for opportunist. This can hold true and still allow Kerry is a rabid socialist sympathetic to communist regimes.

Beijing firmly believes that were it not for the rise of what has become the new or alternative media Kerry would now be president. Moreover they also believe that the results conceal the true magnitude of the Bush victory.

This is pathetic. The Communists understand the scope of the victory, and the Democrats don't. I've even seen conservatives that don't have a clue of the significance of Nov. 2nd.

As they see it, the more informed the American public becomes the more it will shift toward the Republicans.

And, they would be right.

There are those who think that America is in a terminal state of decline, despite its recent military victories. A Kerry victory would have lent some force to this view. (In their minds only an ignoramus or someone who detested his country would vote for a man like Kerry).

They just nailed 48% of the population.

9 posted on 01/07/2005 6:58:16 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: Last Dakotan

couldn't say it better myself .


10 posted on 01/07/2005 6:59:48 PM PST by Deetes
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To: Dr. Marten
The regime regarded Kerry as a self-absorbed, vacillating, weak and an unpatriotic man with little or no character.

60+million had him pegged too, thank goodness.

To those schooled in Marxist-Leninist principles anything that serves socialism is justified.

That is scary. Anything that serves socialism is justified. And we have the Progressive Caucus in the House of Representatives who are so dedicated. That really isn't much different, philosophically, than Islamofanaticism -- anything is justified that promotes Islam. We also need to recall Hillary Clinton's interview in Germany last year and her speech about taxing for the common good last year in California. They are closer to their goals than the average American realizes.
11 posted on 01/07/2005 7:04:35 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: Dr. Marten

Interesting article, but China's designs on America are as much economic as military. They did horde oil this year, hoping to raise prices to undermine the recovery. Trade imbalalces and national debt are also closely watched by Beijing.


12 posted on 01/07/2005 7:04:37 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: Dr. Marten

"Therefore Kerry's continual reversals, rationalisations, lies and denials were viewed as merely a means to conceal and advance his own view of America. A view that he knew the mass of Americans would find unacceptable. This is why he was forced to sail under false colours. "

I believe this is exactly right. He had to try to sell a pig in a poke to the American people.

His supporters largely knew this too, that is why they voted for him even though they didn't like him or agree with anything he said for public consumption, and why they didn't pay attention to his superficial flip-flops.


13 posted on 01/07/2005 7:07:49 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Dr. Marten

"This assumes that Democrats will not learn from their mistakes. A reasonable assumption, at least in the short term... "

But not a reasonable assumption in the long term. I foresee that Soros and crowd will be dumping tons of money into making DU a friendlier place, and moveon.org will pick up where Dean left off on moving the party to the point of being internet savvy.


14 posted on 01/07/2005 7:08:51 PM PST by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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To: Dr. Marten
Good take...

Btw, hadn't author Peter Zhang worked for an Aussie publication in the past?

15 posted on 01/07/2005 7:09:07 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Dr. Marten
Expect intensified attempts to control the net.

In China and here, as well. Hillary Clinton, the Dems, and even some Republicans are continuing to advocate the need for "a gatekeeper" for the Internet, a.k.a., control--by them, of course.
16 posted on 01/07/2005 7:09:59 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: Dr. Marten

Expect intensified attempts to control the net.




The genie is out of the bottle and no amount of control will put it back. The Chinese Government might slow it down. Freedom is the genie. The net is a means of communication.


17 posted on 01/07/2005 7:11:10 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (We won. We don't need to be forgiving. Let the heads roll!!!!!!!!!)
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To: ProudVet77

We must not lose hold of the directive, "Follow the money." It seems as if these socialist elites consume a lot of time lining their pockets. Clintoon had his pockets lined for sure--besides other perks of the office.


18 posted on 01/07/2005 7:12:51 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: ProudVet77

Sounds like China got a lot with their illegal campaign donations to Bill Clinton.


19 posted on 01/07/2005 7:13:02 PM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: TruthWillWin; jonrick46
Ass much as I dislike clinton, and believe he sold us out, I was shocked as I saw articles about plans the Taiwanese had to buy our systems (PACIII, destroyers, etc) to have them all canceled by this creep. He's a scourge on the world, just not the US.
20 posted on 01/07/2005 7:19:49 PM PST by ProudVet77 (Let the games begin - It's Friday)
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To: Dr. Marten
"This assumes that Democrats will not learn from their mistakes."

After seeing the results of '72 repeated in so many subsequent elections, I'd say it's a good rule of thumb. Democrats, they don't learn.

21 posted on 01/07/2005 7:21:59 PM PST by Graymatter (Happy New Year FR!)
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To: crazyhorse691

"The genie is out of the bottle and no amount of control will put it back. The Chinese Government might slow it down. Freedom is the genie. The net is a means of communication."


Sorry, but I strongly disagree with you on that statment.

The Chinese government does have exclusive control over the internet inside of China.

I currently live in China and I have been denied access to the outside internet on multiple occasions. In case you hadn't heard, China has also recently established it's second generation internet that is currently being set up around the country.

As for freedom, the vast majority of people living here have no idea what real freedom is about, my wife included.


22 posted on 01/07/2005 7:22:42 PM PST by Dr. Marten
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To: Dr. Marten
Therefore Kerry's continual reversals, rationalisations, lies and denials were viewed as merely a means to conceal and advance his own view of America. A view that he knew the mass of Americans would find unacceptable. This is why he was forced to sail under false colours.

Senator Kerry wasn't just a fellow traveller, he was the real deal. The Communist Party USA not only endorsed him, but they even went so far as to pound the pavement for him:

The Communist Party USA and the 2004 Elections: Build the Party, Build the Coalitions

 

Report to the National Committee, November 21, 2004

Sam’s great dialectical report gives the framework to analyze the election as a whole. The purpose of this report is to zero in on the work of our Party in the elections.

Our banner for 2004 was “Build Unity – Defeat Bush and the Ultra-Right.” Our method was an all-out effort with the broad labor-led democratic front against extreme right-wing reaction; and within that all-out for a bigger, stronger Communist Party and YCL.

Along with our allies, we can be very proud of great accomplishments that will carry us forth even in the dreaded and stormy waters of a second term for George W. Bush.

As Communists, we experienced, we saw, we knew the brutality of this crowd poised to rip any chance for a decent job, decent healthcare, decent retirement, or decent education from working class people; prepared to wage war on Iraq and the world for hegemony and control; armed with the poison of racism and bigotry and red-baiting meant to serve the fatal blow to any opposition.

History had taught us that to reverse this extreme reaction would take the broadest possible coalition of left and center forces with the strength of labor, African American, Latino and women at the core. We also understood that building the Communist Party as part of that effort would be the best way to secure the movement for the future, toward a more advanced program.

The correctness of the center-left coalition strategy soon became clear as a fantastic movement burst forth, activating many thousands of young people, and people of all ages who had never previously been engaged. New labor and people’s structures were the heart of the voter mobilization and turnout in this election.

When this movement came so close but not close enough on election day, union after union and organization after organization immediately rejected Bush’s claim to mandate and pledged to stick together, to build on what was done, to learn and broaden out, even in an unwanted and dangerous terrain of struggle.

Our strategy, and tactics adjusted to changing conditions, enabled our small Party to make a mighty contribution in this remarkable time. This year’s experience leaves us with new respect, new clubs in strategic locations, a growing grass-roots character, and hopefully somewhat better seasoned for the next phase of our country’s titanic battle.

Just about a year ago, at a meeting in Cleveland, Ohio with neighboring Communist Party districts, the concept of a national election concentration on the mid-west was developed.

Two months later, on January 31, in this hall, we held an extraordinary national conference which established our framework for the 2004 elections.

The conference was extraordinary because of the turnout of 250 plus multi-racial, multi-national activists from states large and small across our land. It was extraordinary because of the message of leaders from other organizations who came and called upon us, that our presence was much needed as Communists.

Remember the president of NY NOW telling us she wanted to see lots of red flags at the March for Women’s Lives. And the chair of ACORN and Working Families Party who called upon us as family to make our contribution known. Did we respond? YES, we responded!

Across the country, we rolled up our sleeves, in swing states and so-called safe states. In voter registration drives, local races and Congressional battlegrounds. Walking precincts and working phone banks out of union halls. In presidential battleground states from Ohio, Missouri, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to Minnesota and New Hampshire, our folks were quickly tapped to help lead the work.

Mid-West Project

The centerpiece of our effort was the Mid-West Project, under the leadership of Scott Marshall and John Rummel. We knew that between OH, MO and FL, Kerry had to win at least one to get elected. We singled out OH and MO for summer brigades. The comrades in those states did heroic work hosting, organizing, and meeting the needs of the 75 Party and YCLers who came for week-long visits from nine states and the national office in July and August.

We worked on local campaigns, knocked on hundreds of doors and made thousands of phone calls with the AFL-CIO, ACT and others. We learned a lot and hopefully convinced some voters. I will always remember the LTV steel workers whose jobs had gone, very angry, very worried and also very appreciative that Labor Council volunteers were at their door.

In Missouri, comrades had the remarkable experience of teaming up with SEIU and Planned Parenthood to door-knock in the heat and humidity campaigning for John Bowman, and then go on to win. It felt like Mississippi Summer in the 1960's.

The effort was so successful we expanded into the fall, with 72 more Party and YCLers, including 47 to Ohio and teams to Florida, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Michigan, and New Hampshire.

We set the bar high with our goal of 100. In the end, over 147 participated. These numbers do not include union buses organized by comrades from Illinois to Wisconsin, Ohio and Missouri, and the many Party and YCL members who traveled to the Mid-West with union or other mobilizations from the East Coast states.

It must be brought out that Sam Webb took the summer and fall to travel continuously from battleground state to battleground state, meeting with districts and clubs, shoring up the Party, outreaching to friends and readers, and knocking on doors as a volunteer for the labor movement.

We developed a specific plan for election day, with national staff placed strategically in OH, FL, PA and WI, and regional efforts in AZ and NH. We helped bring voters to the polls, served as election protection observers, and just did whatever needed to be done.

The YCL did a fabulous job, with great energy and talent, connecting to youth organizing in the battlegrounds and attracting lots of young people to their ranks. In addition to mobilizing their members in the summer, the YCL staff worked on two campuses in Ohio to Get Out the Vote. They deserve a great big congratulations for their excellent contribution.

From the beginning, Ohio was at the epicenter of this election campaign, and the final results will be examined and discussed for some time. Wally will report, but it must be said that the Party there, as in Missouri, did yeoman’s work at every level and made a deep and abiding contribution recognized by the broader movement and that we pay tribute to today.

In the OH District Board report Wally emphasized “In Ohio, where 150,000 union jobs were eliminated since 2000, union members STILL MADE UP 35% OF ALL VOTES CAST IN THE STATE.” He said, “the organization of independent political structure within the trade unions went beyond anything ever done in the past, and provides the base for future struggles.”

We emerge from this campaign with new respect, but also with new members and new clubs. Our Party is growing and building in the heartland, transforming our entire organization. We will learn more from the districts, but here are a few highlights that were sent in to me:

  • MO: State Rep. During the campaign to elect a worker as State Representative: A new club in St. Louis, with another in formation. A new YCL club and another by the end of the year. A total of 19 new members in the YCL and Party. An increase from 2 to 12 bundles of PWW/NM a week.
  • MI: A new club in Saginaw emerged from a national/district team that helped on a local campaign which elected a township trustee. A new club in the Upper Peninsula formed after a visit by Sam. New clubs in Lansing and Ann Arbor will be formed by the end of the year.
  • ILL: 27 new members and an increase in PWW/NM bundles to 2500 a week. This in the process of participating in the movement from Illinois to Wisconsin to put that state over the top for Kerry, participating in the historic election of Barak Obama to the US Senate, and the successful campaign of Melissa Bean, defeating incumbent Republican Congressman Philip Crane.


Budget expenditures for the Mid West Project came to $45,334.51. This does not include many contributions made “in-kind” to house, feed and transport comrades. Overall, this was a budget item strategically conceived that couldn’t have been better spent.

Local campaigns

Of course, our work was not limited to the presidential battleground states. In every district, the Party organization was engaged in voter registration, and in key local and Congressional campaigns. We probably registered tens of thousands of voters. Some highlights sent in:

  • In New York, the Party made a special contribution, participating with the Working Families Party campaign to elect Frank Barbaro to Congress. 120,000 people voted for John Kerry on the Working Families line; David Soares became the first African American elected to county wide office upstate, for Albany District Attorney; and Brian Higgins defeated a Republican incumbent for Congress in the Buffalo area.
  • In Connecticut, a new club and door-to-door PWW route was formed in the 2nd Congressional District as part of a hard fought effort to defeat a Republican incumbent. 66 Working Families Party candidates won minor party ballot status in State Legislature and State Senate districts, including two who are here today.
  • In New Jersey comrades campaigned with a candidate for Town Committee, located in an important swing Congressional District. She got 42% of the vote in a small Republican town where the Republican candidate was the Mayor. She has now been asked to run for School Board.
  • In Florida, where Noel participated in the bus tour across the state to raise the minimum wage, and in Nevada, voters overwhelmingly favored a $1 increase to $6.15 an hour.
  • In New Mexico, new friends in the labor movement work with the club, which helped initiate the Bush Out the Door campaign, and the election of a state legislator.
  • In Kentucky, a new club was formed for the first time in many years.


In addition to the countless marches, rallies, meetings and events at the local level, our Party was represented in the swirl of national conferences and protests that took place in the months leading up to election day:
  • March for Womens Lives
  • Take Back America
  • Rainbow/PUSH
  • La Raza
  • NAACP
  • Union conventions including AFSCME, SEIU, Unity convention of UNITE HERE, NEA
  • MoveOn house parties
  • Events surrounding the Democrat and Republican conventions
  • The World Says No to the Bush Agenda protest of half a million in NYC.


Press and Literature

Throughout the year, the PWW/NM performed the magnificent role of a weekly election broadside. The paper rallied readers to become engaged by connecting the war on Iraq to peoples needs at home, exposing the lies and manipulations of the Bush team, and telling first-hand of the needs, concerns and involvement of ordinary working people in the battlegrounds of Ohio, Missouri, Minnesota , Wisconsin and New Mexico.

The Special Labor Day edition had an additional press run of 10,000. For the Special Election edition, additional orders exceeded 23,000.

While the PWW/NM subs and bundles have increased somewhat, the staff is preparing a special meeting to develop plans for a dramatic rise in circulation.

The YCL summer and fall election editions of Dynamic, of 2,000 each, highlighted the impact of Bush policies on youth, and the experiences of young people working to get out the vote.

We published a body of election literature reflecting the tactical shifts as the campaign unfolded:
  • “Build Unity, Defeat Bush,” the opening report to our January election conference – 20,000, also a 7 minute video.
  • “What We Need Today – A Program for Working People,” the Communist Party USA Platform for the 2004 elections (bi-lingual) was very enthusiastically received – 15,000
  • Top 10 Reasons to Defeat Bush and Change Congress (English and Spanish) – 30,000
  • “Just Being Anti-Bush Is Not Enough to Win” by Sam Webb – mailed and posted on the web, calling upon those on the left who were standing aloof to become active in the movement to elect Kerry.
  • The Republican Campaign to Suppress the Black Vote: A Racist Conspiracy by Jarvis Tyner, published by Political Affairs – 3,000. Produced beautifully, distributed on the internet, very relevant in the continuing struggles to democratize the election process.
  • Why Latinos Want to Dump Bush (bilingual), from Political Affairs election edition, mailed and on the web, important in light of attempts to distort the Mexican American and Latino vote.


In addition, two pamphlets were published in October for circulation beyond the elections:
  • Medicare for All, published by the Peoples Weekly World
  • People and Nature before Profits
  • Build the Party. Build the coalition.


The goal to build the Party in the midst of building the broad united front was a very big challenge for us. There was some skepticism that we would simply get immersed in the coalition as individuals and the importance of the Party organization would get lost.

What actually happened tells a different story. The correctness of our strategy and the passion with which we carried out our work is exactly what has swelled our ranks.

Out of our work to build this left-center coalition, we are becoming a grass roots Party and YCL. Clubs rooted in the grass roots have the potential to transform our Party into a large, mass organization able to mobilize and influence events on a large scale.

Like the woman on the Peoples Weekly World route in semi-rural Vernon, Connecticut, who thanked us for bringing “the best paper I’ve ever read in my life,” many are open to our ideas and ready to become engaged.

To guarantee the future of the coalition, a larger Party is needed. That’s the historic challenge for us today, especially in the face of a second Bush regime.

At a recent meeting Sam said, “If we were four times larger, imagine what we could have done in Ohio.” What the recruitment of new members in this campaign tells us is that with consistent attention and allocation of resources we can make such a breakthrough by the next presidential election.

The national Party organization truly arose to the occasion. The Organizing Department worked night and day in the office and on the road; the Political Action Commission forged a strong collective and was fully engaged, meeting twice monthly with regular reports to the National Board.

Now the challenge is how to continue to allocate our resources to help districts build strong, grass roots clubs. Help on the ground should continue into districts like Michigan and Missouri with the goal of securing and expanding their new clubs.

To fully make the turn as a grass-roots Party will take lots of attention to the clubs in every district, to list and think through person by person how to develop closer relations with each new contact, how they will get the PWW every week, how will there will be regular discussion, should they be invited to a club meeting, what action to involve new contacts in?

Keeping the coalition together and broadening it with attention to small towns and rural areas will depend a lot on local issues of struggle. For example Ohio is discussing a possible ballot referendum to raise the minimum wage, and reviving the four million member coalition that won the Ohio Prescription Drug law.

In most states, January opens a new legislative session, with fierce battles over budget deficits, and more cuts to vital services. Coalitions to win progressive policies at the state level can help build the base for change nationally.

The 2005 municipal elections are already before us. Fielding candidates from labor and peoples organizations including our own will be important to resist the far-right agenda. The national election results created an atmosphere for increased racism and bigotry. No victories will be won without broad organizing for equality. We have to strengthen the struggle for working class, progressive and humanist ideas.

Our Party must be a leader in the growing movement to democratize the election process, that every vote be able to be cast and counted correctly without harassment, intimidation or suppression. We should draw a line in the sand for a complete overhaul of election law including: same day voter registration, restoration of voting rights, verifiable paper trail on all electronic machines, instant runoff voting, publically financed elections, regulation of corporate media and abolition of the electoral college.

The broad movement is called upon to build pressure from the ground on Congress, working with the Progressive, Black and Hispanic caucuses, outreaching to moderate Republicans where possible to end the war and occupation of Iraq, and on every item from saving social security to tax and budget policy and judicial appointments.

To the extent possible, movements around the bills we prioritized this year will continue: the Employee Free Choice Act; HR 676 Medicare for All; the SOLVE Act; Voter Accountability; and the investigation into Abu Graib HR 690.

Our Vision

At our conference in January, Jarvis Tyner said, “The fight for democracy and freedom is not a diversion from the fight for a new system. You can’t have one without the other. We are not hesitant when it comes to meeting today’s challenge.”

The center-left coalition strategy to defeat the extreme right-wing is not a step back from the class struggle. It is a necessary alliance if the working class is to protect its interests and achieve further gains.

Those who are joining our Party have come to understand that their problems cannot be solved within capitalism. They are both angry and hopeful. Coming up on our Convention, we have the opportunity and responsibility to capture and build on that potential which can turn our country around.


23 posted on 01/07/2005 7:28:29 PM PST by snowsislander
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To: Dr. Marten

How much outside news is getting circulated around China? I have heard of the things you have brought up, but, I thought the increased trade and tourism had introduced some foreign/western ideas. I know it is bad there. Am I being overly optimistic?


24 posted on 01/07/2005 7:38:34 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (We won. We don't need to be forgiving. Let the heads roll!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Dr. Marten

Well, the obvious question is... how are you surfing FR?


25 posted on 01/07/2005 7:41:03 PM PST by Nataku X (There are no converts in Islam... only hostages.)
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To: bahblahbah
good idea - Taiwan will need to manufacture more ammo when we buy 2 Billion 5.56mm from them if the deal goes through ...
26 posted on 01/07/2005 7:41:04 PM PST by the_gospel_of_thomas (Know your Enemy and Know yourself)
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To: Dr. Marten

This is a good read. China is a REAL Communist threat... Especially with the Klinton and Democrat TREASON in providing Communist China with sensitive US Military Technology. Even FALSIFYING various certifications to provide China with specially CONTROLLED US Military Technology...

Check out the documented TREASON here:

http://www.nodnc.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=6

Then see the rest of the

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http://www.noDNC.com


27 posted on 01/07/2005 8:00:27 PM PST by woodb01 (Re-Designed ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: Dr. Marten

You no elect Bush! You buy now from China!!


28 posted on 01/07/2005 8:03:13 PM PST by Blast_Master
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To: Dr. Marten

We have to take info fight to China.


29 posted on 01/07/2005 8:06:02 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Temple Owl

ping


30 posted on 01/07/2005 8:06:15 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Dr. Marten

Everybody who gives a flying f*** about how China feels regarding the Bush election hit "refresh" at 10:30pm Central time.....Let's put a big hit on jimrob's server!!


31 posted on 01/07/2005 8:08:45 PM PST by berkeleybeej (Live Free or DieBold)
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To: Nataku X

Most of the time I can surf FR, sometimes I can't.

The thing is, they have the power to shut down the net whenever they want. Period.


32 posted on 01/07/2005 8:21:55 PM PST by Dr. Marten
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To: Dr. Marten

Just concerned for your safety since FR is a very highly politically charged website. Please don't take unnecessary risks for a message board, all that.


33 posted on 01/07/2005 8:24:55 PM PST by Nataku X (There are no converts in Islam... only hostages.)
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To: Dr. Marten

Thanks for the ping, Doctor Xian Sen.

Hoh Boh?

Ni hao mah?

Brookes and Peter Zang et al are number one on my reading list -- and that of my [Chinese] Singaporean wife.

Always on the ball.

As are John Derbyshire and Joe Studwell.

And you.

Gong Xi Fatt Chi 2005!

Blessings -- B A


34 posted on 01/07/2005 8:28:04 PM PST by Brian Allen (Who is Bob Wallace?)
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To: berkeleybeej

I wouldn't take it to lightly what Dr. Marten mentioned a few threads back. China is in the process of crating "it's own" Internet. They will be in total control of just what domanin names from other countries are permitted added to their main UNIX farm DNS servers.
They aim to control the flow of what gets in and what gets out of their country period. Of course they will allow special DNS servers that allow for those granted the need to go anywhere, say their military, certain high tech groups and of course the likes of the politiboro.
This is a serious change of events.


35 posted on 01/07/2005 8:38:09 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: Principled

Beijing is on to FR! =^)


36 posted on 01/07/2005 9:09:33 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: Nataku X

I hear ya. I don't usually put too much of my own comment into things here. Also, my identity is somewhat concealed because I do not have a unique IP address to my computer here. It is shared with an entire complex and there are other foreigeners here as well.

Thanks and regards!


37 posted on 01/07/2005 9:13:45 PM PST by Dr. Marten
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To: Brian Allen

Thanks,

I like most of Peters stuff as well. There have been a few things that he's written and I haven't agreed with, but most of the time he seems to have his thoughts going in the right direction.

Gong Xi Fa cai to you too! (I don't speak any Cantonhua though :) )

Xin nian kuai le!


38 posted on 01/07/2005 9:16:07 PM PST by Dr. Marten
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To: snowsislander

Do you have a link to that text?


39 posted on 01/07/2005 9:16:53 PM PST by Dr. Marten
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To: crazyhorse691

There is quite a bit of outside news getting in, it's not a total blackout. However, on the other hand, the propaganda machine is fast at work to counter anything that may provoke free thought among the masses here.

I was optimistic when I first started coming here as a tourist, but now I am sad to say that hope has been severely diminshed.


40 posted on 01/07/2005 9:20:16 PM PST by Dr. Marten
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To: Kevin OMalley
I foresee that Soros and crowd will be dumping tons of money into making DU a friendlier place, and moveon.org will pick up where Dean left off on moving the party to the point of being internet savvy.

They can't. That's why your fears will not materialize. A "friendly place" demands free expression. Here at FR we are free to disagree with each other. How many times have you seen a liberal who makes honest posts engaged in debate on FR. I have seen many. But how many honest conservatives are engaged in open debate on DUh? None. I know because I've tried.

Truly open debate is toxic to the left because their assumptions and beliefs are predicated either on lies or psychoses, neither of which would survive prolonged honest analysis. They are ruled cheifly by fear, the fear of being labeled as something less than "enlightened" (homophobic, sexist, bigot, etc.) It is they who are the totalitarians, and totalitarians cannot flourish in an open society. That's just the way it is.

41 posted on 01/07/2005 9:21:35 PM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force, dangit)
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To: F16Fighter

"Btw, hadn't author Peter Zhang worked for an Aussie publication in the past?"


I do believe you are correct on that!


42 posted on 01/07/2005 9:22:06 PM PST by Dr. Marten
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To: Dr. Marten

<< I don't speak any Cantonhua though >>

Me too.

Only Mandarin and some Fujian/Hokkien/Taiwanese and some Teochew.

Later, Xian Sen -- B A


43 posted on 01/07/2005 9:24:17 PM PST by Brian Allen (Who is Bob Wallace?)
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To: TomGuy
Anything that serves socialism is justified.

That clause was drilled into us way back in high school. I bet it barely gets a mention anymore.

44 posted on 01/07/2005 9:35:04 PM PST by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
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To: lafroste

I hope you're right. Nothing would please me more than a continued meltdown. It's kind of like when the Berlin wall fell -- I just never thought I'd be seeing this.


45 posted on 01/07/2005 10:04:16 PM PST by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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To: snowsislander
Our banner for 2004 was “Build Unity – Defeat Bush and the Ultra-Right.” Our method was an all-out effort with the broad labor-led democratic front against extreme right-wing reaction; and within that all-out for a bigger, stronger Communist Party and YCL.

Along with our allies, we can be very proud of great accomplishments that will carry us forth even in the dreaded and stormy waters of a second term for George W. Bush.

Oh yeah, the Commies' plan worked REALLY well, didn't it? And they can be proud of their accomplishments??!! What accomplishments? Their plan failed...

46 posted on 01/07/2005 10:21:10 PM PST by mysto ("I am ZOT proof" --- famous last words of a troll.)
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To: Dr. Marten
Do you have a link to that text?

It's at the Communist Party USA website. Sorry that it was so long, but when I went to excerpt it, I thought so much of it was relevant that I ended up leaving it intact. The link is here at http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/605/1/27/ (It is also at the very top of #23.)

47 posted on 01/08/2005 3:07:22 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: mysto
Oh yeah, the Commies' plan worked REALLY well, didn't it? And they can be proud of their accomplishments??!! What accomplishments? Their plan failed...

It certainly did fail -- and the wailing and gnashing of teeth at CPUSA at Senator Kerry's loss indicates just how much of their candidate he was. If Senator Zell Miller had been on the Democrat's ticket, CPUSA would not have been out there pounding the pavement to get him elected and writing these types of articles. But Senator Kerry is so far to the left that the CPUSA had no trouble openly endorsing him and spending money to get him elected.

48 posted on 01/08/2005 3:13:55 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: Soul Seeker
Throw in the fact that the liberals are the ones who are more than willing to "eliminate" the young and the infirm, they are killing themselves into oblivion.

And the Chinese realize this....

49 posted on 01/08/2005 5:45:20 PM PST by Maigrey (Prayer Warrior just a Ping away...)
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To: Dr. Marten

Are you in the Guang Dong area?


50 posted on 01/08/2005 5:52:25 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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