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Grammar for Smarties("Why Oh Why" books' success prove we’re serious about the care of our language)
The American Prowler ^ | 1/11/2005 | Christopher Orlet

Posted on 01/10/2005 10:26:26 PM PST by nickcarraway

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To: nopardons
And then,there is the prevalence of misusing "I" and "me"

When someone says, "just between you and I" cold chills run up my spine.

21 posted on 01/10/2005 10:57:56 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Defend the Second
Time was,when even the poorest and almost illiterate,knew and understood all words of a Gilbertian poem/lyric.Now? The vast majority on this forum would run for a dictionary.

After reading your example,I quite despair of the future of our mother tongue.

22 posted on 01/10/2005 10:59:26 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nickcarraway

Bump for later...


23 posted on 01/10/2005 10:59:46 PM PST by jellybean (Free Ol' Crusty!)
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To: Defend the Second

Those letters were indeed beautifully written.


24 posted on 01/10/2005 11:00:30 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Petronski

I didn't mean economically, I meant in terms of breadth and scope. There is still art and classical music out there for those who care to search them out. The Von B. and Shakespeare comparisons are unfair since those works have endured. We don't yet what will endure from the mass of our culture.

That said, our language is becoming more technical in nature.


25 posted on 01/10/2005 11:00:45 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
Noooooooooooo...they DID have a larger and far better vocabulary than their progeny have today.Just look at a N.Y. Times article,written in 1950 and compare the vocabulary in any article,in that one paper,today...ignoring the bias,of course.
26 posted on 01/10/2005 11:02:32 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Graybeard58

Welcome to the club.


27 posted on 01/10/2005 11:03:04 PM PST by nopardons
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To: durasell

English has been greatly enriched in the expression of new sciences. Much has been lost in verb usage. English is the most verb-rich language on earth (or it was). We are losing that, and I blame the friggin' teachers' unions.

End of rant.


28 posted on 01/10/2005 11:04:11 PM PST by Petronski (Alles klar, Herr Kommissar?)
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To: durasell
We don't yet what will endure from the mass of our culture.

Except for the Chuck Berry song, "Johnny Be Good" which is aboard the space ship we sent out 20 or so years ago to travel for eternity through space.

Alien cultures finding that gem will be perplexed for sure.

By the way I like the song.

29 posted on 01/10/2005 11:05:13 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Petronski
Blame it on movies and T.V. and what passes for "music" today. And oh yes,books.

If you go back 40-50 years,you'll see that even the most banal movies and T.V. programs had better word usage and much more varied vocabularies,than today's do. And should you go back to movies made in the 1930's,there's even a more yawning abyss.

30 posted on 01/10/2005 11:08:34 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

I don't know -- there were still more than half a dozen papers in NYC in 1950. Perhaps I should choose one of the others. Afterall, the NYT was always considered upscale.

Years ago I bought a diary a homeless guy was selling on the street just off St. Marks. The diarist was a young girl circa 1930. The formality and over-blown romantic phrasing in it was maddening to read. However,the handwriting was beautiful.


31 posted on 01/10/2005 11:08:48 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: nopardons

What depresses me most is to read letters home from the front. Compare letters home from the Civil War to the Vietnam war.

This nation robbed her sons of the classical education they deserved. Rather than turn that around, the devolution has continued apace.


32 posted on 01/10/2005 11:10:41 PM PST by Petronski (Alles klar, Herr Kommissar?)
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To: durasell
Okay...go see if you can dig up an article from the N.Y. HERALD or even the DAILY NEWS (which was a Conservative paper back then);tabloid though it was. Better still,go look up some from THE SATURDAY EVENING POST or READERS DIGEST.

You like handwriting? It's my one wee vanity...I have an almost perfect Palmer hand.:-)

33 posted on 01/10/2005 11:12:57 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Graybeard58

I can think of a half dozen rock songs that will endure 200 years from now. Universal themes and all that.


34 posted on 01/10/2005 11:13:31 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Petronski

You're absolutely right;sadly.


35 posted on 01/10/2005 11:14:10 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Handwriting is fascinating in that it was considered a "status symbol" at one time, much like the ability to actually construct a sentence. A couple years ago I'm at the house of some whacked out European in California and he actually gave his children handwriting lessons. The tutor came in and instructed them on the care and use of a fountain pen, etc. etc. etc.


36 posted on 01/10/2005 11:17:20 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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I could care less.

Arrrggggh! That means you could care less. What you mean is "I couldn't care less."

37 posted on 01/10/2005 11:18:15 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Captainpaintball
And if I hear one more stupid kollege white boy 'axe' "Where you at?" one more time...

Just so you know, stupid white boys have been say aks for ask for, oh, at least 600 years ("I axe, why the fyfte man Was nought housband to the Samaritan?" -- Chaucer, 1386) and probably back well into Old English (as "acsian") for over 1,000 years. It was considered good literary English as late as 1535 ("Axe & it shall be given you." -- Matthew 7:7 in the Cloverdale Bible).

I'm sorry but I'm with the "liberal linguists" on this one. Languages change over time. The question is how much voice recordings will act to push back that change.

38 posted on 01/10/2005 11:18:45 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: nickcarraway

Incorrect contractions and homonyms irk me most.


39 posted on 01/10/2005 11:19:29 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: durasell

What's wrong with that? Some people still use a fountain pen (I do!)and should know how to take care of it.


40 posted on 01/10/2005 11:19:35 PM PST by nopardons
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