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Fossil Fuel Curbs May Speed Global Warming: Scientists
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 1/12/05 | Matt Falloon - Reuters

Posted on 01/12/2005 6:27:48 PM PST by NormsRevenge

LONDON (Reuters) - Cutting down on fossil fuel pollution could accelerate global warming and help turn parts of Europe into desert by 2100, according to research to be aired on British television on Thursday. "Global Dimming," a BBC Horizon documentary, will describe research suggesting fossil fuel by-products like sulfur dioxide particles reflect the sun's rays, "dimming" temperatures and almost canceling out the greenhouse effect.

The researchers say cutting down on the burning of coal and oil, one of the main goals of international environmental agreements, will drastically heat rather than cool climate.

"When the cooling affect goes away -- and it must do because particles like sulfur dioxide are damaging to humans -- global warming will be much stronger," climate change scientist Dr Peter Cox told Reuters on Wednesday.

Temperatures could increase in the worst case by up to 10 degrees by the end of the century, the researchers said -- much more than current estimates.

Scientists differ as to whether global warming is caused by man-made emissions of carbon dioxide and other "greenhouse" gases, by natural climate cycles or if it exists at all.

Take away fossil fuel by-products like sulfur dioxide without tackling greenhouse gas emissions, and the extra heat will speed warming, irreversibly melting ice sheets and rendering rain forests unsustainable within decades, Dr Cox said.

"The climate will warm more in the future but the ability of the land to store carbon dioxide will be compromised," he said, adding that warmer soil was less able to hold the greenhouse gas.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: climatechange; curbs; environment; fossil; fuel; global; globalwarming; scientists; theskyisfalling; warming

1 posted on 01/12/2005 6:27:49 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Here we go again...


2 posted on 01/12/2005 6:28:21 PM PST by RockinRight (Sanford for President in '08!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Take away fossil fuel by-products like sulfur dioxide without tackling greenhouse gas emissions...

Right - so those vegans and vegetarians who are generating excess flatulence are responsible for global warming! Oh, the irony.

3 posted on 01/12/2005 6:30:55 PM PST by Mudcat
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To: RockinRight

I think articles like this serve to show how little we know about the planetary climate and the man-made effect.

But I bet a liberal can somehow blame this on Bush...


4 posted on 01/12/2005 6:31:51 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: farmfriend


5 posted on 01/12/2005 6:31:59 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: NormsRevenge

What are you gonna do?


6 posted on 01/12/2005 6:32:52 PM PST by WSGilcrest (Hi, Norm.)
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To: NormsRevenge

But we must try something, anything


7 posted on 01/12/2005 6:33:54 PM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: NormsRevenge

I rather like the morning in good company although I much prefer the evening with you.


8 posted on 01/12/2005 6:33:55 PM PST by Old Professer (When the fear of dying no longer obtains no act is unimaginable.)
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Global Dimming? .. Yahoo Search Results, for the curious amongst us. ;-).
9 posted on 01/12/2005 6:36:29 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: WSGilcrest

Step on it. :-) the pedal, that is. lol


10 posted on 01/12/2005 6:37:45 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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The atmosphere is an incredible thing.

Look! It's Bill Clinton's bridge. :-}

Early morning steam from Lake Superior shrouds the Aerial Lift Bridge in Duluth, Minn. Tuesday, Jan. 11, 2005. Cold air over the warmer water created the steam and a temperature inversion kept the steam from dissipating, producing this cloudy view. (AP Photo/Jack Rendulich)

Early morning steam from Lake Superior shrouds the Aerial Lift Bridge in Duluth, Minn. Tuesday, Jan. 11, 2005. Cold air over the warmer water created the steam and a temperature inversion kept the steam from dissipating, producing this cloudy view. (AP Photo/Jack Rendulich)

11 posted on 01/12/2005 6:40:57 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I wish these bozoo's would get their arguments straight.


12 posted on 01/12/2005 6:42:33 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (pun my typo if you dare.)
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To: Old Professer

Thank ye kindly, Old Professer. Just remember to cut the caffeine off by 8 PM. ;-)


13 posted on 01/12/2005 6:43:33 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The details don't matter so long as there is a global problem that requires global intervention and heaps of US money.


14 posted on 01/12/2005 6:45:32 PM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: NormsRevenge

Darn good thing I bought a Ram Hemi to haul my a$$ back and forth to the office then. Been gettin all of 10.5 mpg too.

Glad to know by doing so I can helps save the earth, or at least europe ( once again ).


15 posted on 01/12/2005 6:48:08 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I swear...

First the next Ice Age is on the way, then Global Warming is gonna kill us and we all have to trade in SUV's for Segways and now this!

Henry Ford said history is bunk, it appears what passes for science is the same!

16 posted on 01/12/2005 6:48:30 PM PST by Walkin Man
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To: NormsRevenge
Cutting down on fossil fuel pollution could accelerate global warming and help turn parts of Europe into desert by 2100, according to research to be aired on British television on Thursday. "Global Dimming,"

Sigh

When can we let the adults take charge?

LVM

17 posted on 01/12/2005 6:48:30 PM PST by LasVegasMac (I'm John Kerry and I am reporting for ...unemployment.)
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To: Raycpa
The details don't matter so long as there is a global problem that requires global intervention and heaps of US money.

Boing! Boing! Boing!!!

We have a winner!

FMCDH(BITS)

18 posted on 01/12/2005 6:53:46 PM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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To: Raycpa
The details don't matter so long as there is a global problem that requires global intervention and heaps of US money.

You forgot the death of capitalism. Gotta have the death of capitalism or the entire world will be 10 degrees warmer in only a hundred years.

Which would still leave me below freezing at the moment. Come on, Global Warming!

19 posted on 01/12/2005 6:54:57 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: NormsRevenge
Fossil

Fuel


20 posted on 01/12/2005 7:08:07 PM PST by Libloather (IRAQ - the vote!)
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To: Raycpa
Ohhh the irony of it all.

The way thing they thought they could do to help the planet and at the same time create a world government will cause an environmental cataclysm.
21 posted on 01/12/2005 7:12:17 PM PST by dila813
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To: NormsRevenge; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Good article; thanks for posting it! Just finished "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton. Only a novelist as talented as he is could tackle the hoax of global warming and make it into a thriller.

EATB, ping for your list.


22 posted on 01/12/2005 7:39:09 PM PST by alwaysconservative (We fired Dan Rather years ago; it's called "changing the channel")
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To: alwaysconservative

Looks like europe is lucky they got the camel herders there now.


23 posted on 01/12/2005 7:46:59 PM PST by jocko12
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To: NormsRevenge

"I think a new different kind of bowling should be "carpet bowling." It's just like regular bowling, only the lanes are carpet instead of wood. I don't know why we should do this, but my God, we've got to try something!"

--Jack Handey "Deep Thoughts"

Critics might point out that this quote has nothing to do with this thread. But Handey's attitude about bowling reminds me of ecofreaks attitude toward public policy regarding nature.


24 posted on 01/12/2005 7:47:56 PM PST by Our man in washington
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To: NormsRevenge

It is a well established fact that everything causes Global Warming(TM) and Global Warming(TM), in return, causes everything.

All of the computer models prove it!


25 posted on 01/12/2005 8:12:32 PM PST by Duke Nukum ("They think we're not generous? Mr. Scott, prepare to beam over billions of cats to the U.N.")
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To: NormsRevenge
Fossil Fuel Curbs May Speed Global Warming: Scientists

They ... are not ... Fossil Fuels.

Thomas Gold and a whole lot of Russian geologists have turned this old saw on it's ear.

Let's start with something bite sized first:

Odd Reservoir Off Louisiana Prods
Oil Experts to Seek a Deeper Meaning

26 posted on 01/12/2005 8:16:22 PM PST by _Jim (uote> <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: NormsRevenge
Extra credit reading:

Modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of deep, abiotic petroleum origins

The public-access pages on this site are presently being built to provide easy reference to various publications involving modern petroleum science. Modern petroleum science, - or what is called often the modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of deep, abiotic petroleum origins, - is an extensive body of knowledge which has been recorded in thousands of articles published in the mainstream, Russian-language scientific journals, and in many books and monographs.

However, effectively nothing of modern petroleum science has been published in the U.S.A., and this body of knowledge remains largely unknown in the English-speaking world. For reason of this circumstance, a brief introduction to modern Russian petroleum science has been written separately, and is offered together with a brief indication of some of its immediate economic consequences.

The unfamiliarity with the Russian-language scientific literature has been further worsened by the bizarre circumstance that modern Russian petroleum science has been subject to the most extensive attempt at plagiarism in the history of modern science. This particular aspect of the history of this body of knowledge is taken up in the section dealing with the political and sociological essays.


27 posted on 01/12/2005 8:20:35 PM PST by _Jim (uote> <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: NormsRevenge

oh, man.

climatologists have now reached higher levels of contradictory absurdity over global warming than the nutritionists ever managed over the humble chicken egg.


28 posted on 01/12/2005 8:52:12 PM PST by King Prout (Halloween... not just for breakfast anymore.)
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To: NormsRevenge; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; amom; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
29 posted on 01/12/2005 11:57:31 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulation. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: farmfriend

BTTT!!!!!!


30 posted on 01/13/2005 3:02:32 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: NormsRevenge

Bump!


31 posted on 01/13/2005 6:21:47 AM PST by F-117A
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To: NormsRevenge
Look! It's Bill Clinton's bridge. :-}

I thought Algore had the "bridge to the future"?

32 posted on 01/13/2005 6:24:38 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Libloather

LMAO!!


33 posted on 01/13/2005 6:29:44 AM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: WildTurkey

I think they were co-builders of the Bridge to the 21st Century.. They always had their heads in the clouds, anyway. ;-)


34 posted on 01/13/2005 7:31:32 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I had this quite a while ago, on my Defeating Global Warming thread! Unfortunately, the website's format has changed or something, but I have the hard copy printed out. Anova news reported that driving cars cut down on global warming. See, I told ya so, folks...
35 posted on 01/13/2005 9:26:16 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger (Dibs on Condi for the Inaugural Ball!)
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To: farmfriend; NormsRevenge

Thanks for the ping, farmfriend.

The content of this article is somewhat old, but appears to have resurfaced or at least, it's been refreshed for a slow news day.

The original intent of the issue when it first appeared was to bolster claims by doomsayers that the true extent of the "greenhouse" effect was being masked by the cooling effect of atmospheric aerosols. So.. once the aerosols decline, we would see a run-away heating effect due to all the human-made "greenhous gases" (GHGs). This theory was mainly offered up to counter the claims that tropospheric temperature readings do not support a warming trend.

The theory actually blames human activity twice over for the GHGs as well as the aerosols, so this article doesn't really offer any positive view. The true net result of the theory is nonsense as is much of the "global warming" pseudo-science itself.

Barf.


36 posted on 01/13/2005 12:12:04 PM PST by Outland (Global warming: The biggest scam on the planet.)
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To: RockinRight

I live in North Idaho, Does that mean that I could grow oranges?


37 posted on 01/13/2005 12:32:01 PM PST by D Rider
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To: D Rider

I watched an Horizon program on the BBC last night, and I have to say this does indeed seem to be a very serious issue. The fact that weird data in some entirely different fields now all is coming together, all appearing to lead to the same conclusion, means this should be front page news.

Like many I have been sceptical about global warming, but these global dimming data precisely explain the connections between weather pattern shifts, including droughts, larger clouds with less rain, very large changes in surface solar radiation and in evaporation rates. And they also precisely explain the inconsistencies in the global warming data.

The data and the scientists are in completely different fields, all of whom have for years been collecting seemingly bizarre data that people refused to believe because the changes were too large. But now all the seemingly disconnected facts all come together in a perfect fit. And all the most recent studies are now confirming the connection. This is very important and can no longer be ignored. As a world we must act. Not to will be pure stupidity. I recommend people search for global dimming on Google, and there are some excellent articles.


38 posted on 01/14/2005 1:24:27 AM PST by GSP (Sceptic Now Convinced)
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To: King Prout

These findings aren't at all contradictory, it's just the Reuters article is ambiguous in the way it presents them: the title "Fossil Fuel Curbs May Speed Global Warming: Scientists" may make it sound like it's a good idea to keep on burning fossil fuels, but the scientist's point is actually very different.

What he (Peter Cox) is saying is that there is a substantial cooling effect due to other fossil fuel byproducts such as sulphur dioxide (which cause 'global dimming' by increasing cloud formation and so lowering the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth's surface)

This cooling effect is offsetting some of the global warming caused primarily by man-made emissions of carbon dioxide, so effectively, we are not experiencing all of the warming that we should be at the moment.

A fuller explanation can be found in this article from the American Geophysical Union: http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl0312.html

So, in short, reducing SO2 emissions (which also cause acid rain) by e.g. fitting SO2 scrubbers to power stations, WITHOUT ALSO REDUCING CO2 EMISSIONS, will make things warmer as the full effect of the warming due to CO2 and other greenhouse gases will be felt.

This is a concern because at the moment reducing sulphur dioxide emissions is a comparitively easy thing to do, whereas so far nobody has come up with an easy way to reduce the CO2 emissions.

Burning more fossil fuels is never going to be a good thing for the climate.


39 posted on 01/14/2005 8:10:08 AM PST by tristanr
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To: tristanr

so far I am unconvinced that human-generated emissions from the burning of organic compounds is a significant factor in global mean temperature fluctuations.

warming and cooling trends have occured within pre-industrial recorded history, let alone the shifts we have learned of in prehistory.

I am not inclined to take seriously anything the global warming crowd says.


40 posted on 01/14/2005 9:56:31 AM PST by King Prout (Halloween... not just for breakfast anymore.)
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To: GSP
Like many I have been sceptical about global warming, but these global dimming data precisely explain the connections between weather pattern shifts, including droughts, larger clouds with less rain, very large changes in surface solar radiation and in evaporation rates. And they also precisely explain the inconsistencies in the global warming data.

Have you had a chance to study paleoclimatologic cycles? If not, I wouldn't be so concerned. These are natural patterns of which we really have no control. 1 major volcanic eruption does more "harm" than all of mankind put together. Short of a major nuclear exchange mankind has little effect.

Also, correlations can be tricky things. There was a 30 year study in England that recently was able to show that men that shave every day live considerably longer than men that don't. Does that mean that cutting whiskers has some biological effect that extends ones lifespan? Women do live longer than men, and since women don't have the facial hair of men, this seems to support the conclusion supporting the dangers of facial hair. Or do you suppose that men that don't shave everyday are men without jobs that sit around at the local pub smoking cigarettes and drinking beer all day?

41 posted on 01/14/2005 10:41:05 AM PST by D Rider
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To: NormsRevenge; texianyankee; roylene; Fierce Allegiance; JayB; ElkGroveDan; markman46; palmer; ...
(((GLOBAL WARMING PING)))



You have been pinged because of your interest in environmentalism, alarmist wackos, mainstream media doomsday hype, and other issues pertaining to global warming. Freep-mail me to get on or off.



Decided to do a global warming search, and ran across this gem. It basically means the same thing as the article I posted, which Rush had talked about before; driving your car cuts down on global warming because the fumes insulate the earth from the sun.
42 posted on 10/17/2005 6:28:54 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (As long as liberalism and I exist, neither one of us is safe.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Thanks for the ping.


43 posted on 10/17/2005 1:19:37 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality NRA)
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