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Islam and NPR (Truth about what Jihad means)
jihadwatch ^ | January 13, 2005 | Hugh Fitzgerald

Posted on 01/13/2005 8:24:45 PM PST by dennisw

Here is Part One of "Islam and NPR," a new three-part series by Jihad Watch Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald:

I. Taqiyya and Tu-Quoque

NPR’s All Things Considered. January 7, 2005 • "Jihad" is one of the few Arabic words used in English. It means "spiritual struggle," but many Muslims have pointed out that "jihad" is almost always used in English in the context of terrorism, even though the actual meaning is broader. Commentator Anisa Mehdi would like to propose a word that could be used instead of "jihad." -- From the NPR Website

Anisa Mehdi, a guest on NPR’s All Things Considered, has suggested that for the word “Jihad” – possibly the word of greatest significance in the texts, and history, of Islam – another word could be used. For Muslims, she insisted, were made uneasy by the continued use of this word “in the context of terrorism” when its “actual meaning is broader.” And so, to prevent unnecessary harm to Islam’s image, she asks if it might not be possible to avoid the word “Jihad” altogether.

She has a point. And we will sharpen her point, with a pencil-sharpener of our own choosing. But first it would be useful to describe the current state of Infidel knowledge about Islam, and of Muslim attempts to shape or limit that knowledge. An army of apologists for Islam, both Muslim and non-Muslim, is abroad in the land today, yet many Infidels seem not to be following the script. Some appear determined to educate themselves, rather than rely on the Outreach Programs of local imams in local mosques or, for that matter, on National Public Radio. Not everyone seems quite as willing, as they once were, to be satisfied by the pabulum of Karen Armstrong or the coffee-table books of John Esposito. Infidels have discovered websites where four or even five Quran’ic translations are laid out for comparative reading, a horizontal pentapla that may be accessed at www.usc.edu. At the same site, or at many others, Infidels can now read for themselves hundreds of the Hadith (the sayings and acts of Muhammad), as collected and catalogued according to its relative authenticity by such trusted Hadith-compilers, or muhaddithin, as Bukhari and Muslim (a proper name). In addition to reading Qur’an and Hadith, Infidels can read the sira, or life of Muhammad. As al-insan al-kamil, the Model of Perfect Man, the figure of Muhammad is at the center of Islam, and everything he is reported to have done or said, or even remained silent about, in 7th century Arabia, remains as vivid, compelling, and emulous today.

And finally, not content with reading Qur’an and Hadith and sira, those Infidels have embarked on learning about the history of Jihad-conquest of those vast lands where, far more numerous, settled, wealthy, and advanced populations, of Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, and Buddhists all lived and, upon conquest, when not killed or forcibly converted at once to Islam, were permitted to live as “dhimmis,” as non-Muslims under Muslim rule were called, subject to carefully elaborated financial, legal, political, and social disabilities that made life for them one of humiliation, degradation, and physical insecurity.

It has been quite an effort to prevent Infidels from getting the wrong (that is to say, the right) impression of Islam, at least until such time as Muslims in the West currently singing the praises of “pluralism” no longer have need for Infidel good will and tolerance. To date, the twin techniques of “Taqiyya” and Tu-Quoque have been relied on. “Taqiyya” is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in Shi’a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi’a as well, of deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect Islam, and the Believers. A related term, of broader application, is “kitman,” which is defined as “mental reservation.” An example of “Taqiyya” would be the insistence of a Muslim apologist that “of course” there is freedom of conscience in Islam, and then quoting that Qur’anic verse -- “There shall be no compulsion in religion.” But the impression given will be false, for there has been no mention of the Muslim doctrine of abrogation, or naskh, whereby such an early verse as that about “no compulsion in religion” has been cancelled out by later, far more intolerant and malevolent verses. In any case, history shows that within Islam there is, and always has been, “compulsion in religion” for Muslims, and for non-Muslims. The “compulsion” for Muslims comes from the treatment of apostasy as an act punishable by death. And though “dhimmis” are allowed to practice their religion, they do so under conditions of such burdens and restrictions that many, not as an act of conscience but rather as a response to inexorable Muslim pressure, have converted (or “reverted”) to Islam.

“Kitman” is close to “taqiyya,” but rather than outright dissimulation, it consists in telling only a part of the truth, with “mental reservation” justifying the omission of the rest. One example may suffice. When a Muslim maintains that “jihad” really means “a spiritual struggle,” and fails to add that this definition is a recent one in Islam (little more than a century old), he misleads by holding back, and is practicing “kitman.” When he adduces, in support of this doubtful proposition, the hadith in which Muhammad, returning home from one of his many battles, is reported to have said (as known from a chain of transmitters, or isnad), that he had returned from “the Lesser Jihad to the Greater Jihad” and does not add what he also knows to be true, that this is a “weak” hadith, regarded by the most-respected muhaddithin as of doubtful authenticity, he is further practicing “kitman.”

The use of the word in Qur’an and Hadith, and constantly through 1350 years of Muslim history, has certainly endowed the word “Jihad” with a meaning of struggle, usually through military means, to expand the domain of Islam. Almost all Muslims understand that “warfare” (qital, qatala) is the essential meaning of the word. But Infidels, who prefer to think otherwise, have eagerly snapped up little guides such as that put out a few years ago by Karen Armstrong, a compleat apologist and no scholar of Islam, who made sure to quote that hadith in support of her proposition that Jihad is a “spiritual struggle.” The meaning of words comes from their common and accepted usage, not from what someone wishes to convince us should, for the purpose of a temporarily comforting harmony, be believed to be the meaning.

Jihad as military conquest is of course discussed in the Qur’an and Hadith, and in the commentaries on the Qur’an. And while “qital” or combat is mentioned 27 times in the Qur’an, other instruments of Jihad are also commonly discussed; any Islamic website will provide examples. One is the use of “wealth” to create the conditions that will help to spread Islam. Another is the use of “pen, speech” – persuasion, propaganda -- to spread Islam. Still another instrument of Jihad discussed, for example, in the pages of Muslim newspapers, is the use of demography as a weapon of Jihad. Muslim populations within the Bilad al-kufr, or Lands of the Infidels, are seen as helping to spread through Da’wa, the Call to Islam, and in their own increasing presence within Infidel lands, as contributing to the inexorable spread of Islam.

The situation in the world today borders on the fantastic. Never before in history has one civilization allowed large numbers of those who come from an alien, and immutably hostile situation, to settle deep within that first civilization’s borders. Never before have the members of one civilization failed to investigate, and even willfully refused to investigate, or to listen to those who warn about, the consequences for all non-Muslims of the belief-system of Islam. In history, the phenomenon of the Barbarians at the Gates is hardly new. Those barbarians lay siege; if they win, they enter in triumph. Should they lose, the advanced civilization survives. But never before have the gates been opened, to an entering force that has not even been identified or understood. Never before have the inhabitants of the by-now vulnerable city made efforts not to recognize, or realize, what they have done, and what they have undone. That demographic intrusion shows no signs of diminishing. The systematic building of mosques and madrasas, paid for by Saudi Arabia, everywhere in the Western world, helps to make the conduct of Muslim life easier. Western populations have been trained to make much of “celebrating diversity” and “promoting difference” and constructing, on a base of militant but unexamined pluralism, an edifice of legal rights and entitlements. These rights, these entitlements, this militant pluralism are exploited by Muslims who do not believe in pluralism. Nor do they accept the individual rights of conscience and free speech, the legal equality of men and women, and of religious and racial minorities, recognized, for example, in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Their current claim to support pluralism is based on the need to protect, and increase the power of, the Muslim umma, or Community, within the West, until such time as that umma no longer needs to pretend to have any interest in Western pluralism and Western values.

“Taqiyya” and “kitman” are no longer needed for Muslims addressing purely Muslim audiences. While in the early days, the Shi’a were afraid of Sunni persecution, and therefore needed to practice taqiyya, today both Sunni and Shi’a, by and large, do not find that they need dissimulate about the nature of Islam for other Muslims. It is only when non-Muslims may overhear, and begin to understand, an intra-Muslim discussion, that the need to dissimulate is emphasized. Yassir Arafat could, with impunity, refer to the Treaty of al-Hudaibiyya in speeches to fellow Muslims. He was fortunate; no Westerners, or even Israelis, seemed to think that the significance of that repeated allusion to Muhammad’s treaty with the Meccans in 628 A.D. needed to be examined.

Among those who see no need to practice taqiyya when rousing fellow Muslims, but instead see the need to remind their listeners of the central tenets and teachings of Islam, are Osama Bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi. The canonical texts support their view of the need for, the duty for, Jihad. And they receive a good deal of support, and admiration, all over the Muslim world. For they are not renegades, not unorthodox, not the promoters of a wild misinterpretation of Islam. Their view of Islam is exactly what Muhammad, Ibn Taymiyya, Al-Ghazali, Ibn Khaldun, and all the greatest Qur’anic commentators, muhaddithin, and theologians in the history of Islam, would have understood and shared. Some Muslims believe that at the moment, Islam is too weak, and therefore, for the sake of Islam itself, the truth of its teachings should not be so clearly expressed, and acted upon. It may be that Bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri themselves will reach the same conclusion. That would not constitute an abandonment of Jihad, but rather a prudent relinquishing of terrorism as a weapon of Jihad, and greater emphasis on other, tactically more effective, weapons of Jihad, such as Da’wa and demographic increase. The idea that “Jihad” is primarily a “spiritual struggle” would cause laughter everywhere in the world’s mosques and madrasas, for Muslims know that this definition is flatly contradicted by their texts and their entire history. Yet, the same imam who gives a fiery speech about Jihad can show up at an Interfaith Rally and, with seemingly complete conviction, assure his Infidel audience that, of course, “Jihad” refers only to “a spiritual struggle.” This kind of thing is second nature.

Infidels need to understand that however wary they may pride themselves on being, they are still not prepared for the world of the Muslim East. After many decades of work in Egypt, Lord Edward Cecil affixed, as the epigraph to his once-famous Memoirs of an Egyptian Official, the following: “Here lies one who tried to hustle the East.” Many Englishmen regarded that epigraph as the perfect summary of their own encounters with the Muslim world. “War is deceit,” Muhammad said, and those who regard him as al-insan al-kamil, the Most Perfect of Men, have become past masters at the art of deceit. It is nearly impossible to find a Muslim who will admit to the full truth of what Islam teaches about Infidels, though occasionally it happens. Ex-Muslims are just as well-versed in the teachings of Islam as those who remain Muslims, for they do not suddenly cease to understand Islam when they leave the faith.. They remain the best sources of knowledge about what it means to grow up as a Muslim, in a Muslim society, surrounded by the attitudes toward Infidels that Islam engenders and promotes.

Sometimes Taqiyya is not enough. Muslim spokesmen often attempt to convince an audience of Infidels that Islam is a religion of “peace” and “tolerance.” This, nowadays, works less well than it used to, and if an audience shows signs of not being completely convinced, another tack – that of Tu-Quque – is attempted. Now these same spokesmen, who a minute before were all sweetness-and-light, begin to attack Christianity and Judaism for their own lack of “peace” and “tolerance.” They support this attack with bloodcurdling passages from Leviticus or some obscure text, possibly attributed to a rabbi from 2500 years ago.

The Crusades are presented by Muslim apologists as a defining moment in Muslim-Christian relations, a moment in which the peaceful and inoffensive Muslims were attacked, without cause. In this version, not a word is uttered about the centuries of Muslim Jihad-conquest that preceded the Crusades – nearly 400 years of seizing lands formerly occupied by Christians in Mesopotamia, Syria, Egypt, North Africa (where, among other Fathers of the Church, Tertullian and St. Augustine were born and lived).

Nor is what prompted the Crusades ever mentioned. For in 1009 A.D. the Fatimid Caliph Hakim had ordered the destruction of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and for almost a century the Muslims steadily made encroachments on the Christian presence in, and access to, what was for Western Christendom the Holy Land. And there were, for a thousand years, until the 19th century, a constant series of Muslim raiding-parties that came by sea, and attacked the coastal villages throughout Europe, as far as Ireland and even, in one instance, Iceland. Villages were razed, and many villagers killed, and a million European Christians were kidnapped (see the recent White Gold, by Giles Milton), brought back to dar al-Islam, enslaved, and often forcibly converted. The Crusades have to be understood in their full context.

In Islam the world is uncompromisingly divided between dar al-Islam, the House of Islam, and dar al-harb, the House of War, where Infidels have not yet been subjugated to Islam. “Islam is to dominate and not to be dominated” and eventually, all of the world, which belongs to Allah, will become part of dar al-Islam. The Jihad is the “struggle” to expand Islam, to create the conditions where Muslims may rule, and Islam may prevail. This Jihad to spread Islam has lasted 1350 years. It has no end, until its goal is reached, whatever periods of quiescence must be observed because of lack of effective instruments or power. Not every Muslim heart beats with passion for this idea, but around the world, a great many do. Furthermore, Infidels can never know when a Muslim who seemed so Westernized, so removed from such matters, may undergo a transformation, into a much more menacing True Believer.

The Crusades were different. They were limited in both time and space. There was no interest in re-conquering, for Christianity, any territories held by Muslims beyond the Holy Land itself. The Crusades lasted a mere 200 years. Yet this difference is never noted by Muslims intent on blaming “the Crusades” and not the history of Jihad-conquest of Christian lands, and of the subjugation of Christian populations, to Muslim rule and to Muslim oppression (for the “dhimmi” was not so much a member of a “protected people” as of an “oppressed” –because deliberately humiliated and degraded -- “people”).

Tu-Quoque has led to real absurdities. At one gathering with a Muslim panel and an audience of Infidels, a Muslim professor recently assured his listeners that “Ku Klux Klan members used to sing Christian hymns as they crucified Afro-Americans.” No one bothered to point out that the Ku Klux Klan did not “crucify,” but lynched, its victims; that the Grand Kleagle did not lead his followers in song, much less Christian hymns, during these lynchings, and that the stoutest enemies of slavery, and then of the Ku Klux Klan, were to be found in the churches themselves, beginning with such celebrated abolitionist ministers as the Reverend Theodore Parker and Henry Ward Beecher.

Though NPR has had hosts and guests who allude to Islam, those hosts, and those guests, almost without exception, are well-versed graduates of the Taqiyya and Tu-Quoque schools or, as the taxonomically-minded rhetoricians would say, suppressio veri and suggestio falsi. Those with degrees in Taqiyya insist on focusing on that “handful of extremists,” and “radical Islamists” who, of course, have nothing to do with “the real Islam,” the “peaceful, tolerant Islam” practiced by “the vast majority of moderate Muslims.” Graduates of the Tu-Quoque Academy (whose diplomas are still written in Latin) like to refer airily to “fundamentalists on all sides” who pose an equal threat to one another, and how important it is to “rein in the crazies” that “every society” and “every religion” throws up. But now, at least one invited guest commentator on NPR has suggested that things need to be taken one step further, and the word “Jihad” be dispensed with altogether. And should that step be taken, all the king’s horses and all the king’s men will not be able to put NPR together again.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: clashofcivilizations; dhimmi; religionofpeace; taqiyya

1 posted on 01/13/2005 8:24:45 PM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
"The Crusades lasted a mere 200 years."

It ain't over yet...

2 posted on 01/13/2005 8:29:51 PM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: endthematrix

It will NEVER be over!!


3 posted on 01/13/2005 8:35:21 PM PST by VNam68
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To: dennisw

As frightening a piece as I've read.


4 posted on 01/13/2005 8:36:25 PM PST by Nachum
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To: dennisw
Why on earth do we pay for NPR out of our tax dollars...we already have the politicians to lie to us...it's redundant to employ NPR to do the same thing.
5 posted on 01/13/2005 8:42:47 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: dennisw

bttt


6 posted on 01/13/2005 8:45:51 PM PST by Luigi Vasellini
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To: highlander_UW

Huh?


7 posted on 01/13/2005 8:46:24 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: dennisw
It has been quite an effort to prevent Infidels from getting the wrong (that is to say, the right) impression of Islam, at least until such time as Muslims in the West currently singing the praises of “pluralism” no longer have need for Infidel good will and tolerance.

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The use of the word in Qur’an and Hadith, and constantly through 1350 years of Muslim history, has certainly endowed the word “Jihad” with a meaning of struggle, usually through military means, to expand the domain of Islam.

Almost all Muslims understand that “warfare” (qital, qatala) is the essential meaning of the word. But Infidels, who prefer to think otherwise, have eagerly snapped up little guides such as that put out a few years ago by Karen Armstrong, a complete apologist and no scholar of Islam


A long article, but well worth the read.

I can also tell you that I'm getting pretty tired of the word Infidel, and those who use it.
Don't let anyone tell you it is not a pejorative.

8 posted on 01/13/2005 8:47:30 PM PST by konaice
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To: USF; weenie; ariamne; Happy2BMe; Former Dodger; Nesher; broadsword; Fred Nerks; JudyinCanada; ...

Jihad watch ping


9 posted on 01/13/2005 8:48:35 PM PST by jan in Colorado
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To: MEG33
Huh?

the piece is related to the following suggestion from NPR

All Things Considered. January 7, 2005 ; "Jihad" is one of the few Arabic words used in English. It means "spiritual struggle," but many Muslims have pointed out that "jihad" is almost always used in English in the context of terrorism, even though the actual meaning is broader. Commentator Anisa Mehdi would like to propose a word that could be used instead of "jihad." -- From the NPR Website

10 posted on 01/13/2005 8:50:22 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: konaice
I kind of like it now, wear it as a badge of honor:

Say it LOUD! I'm and INFIDEL and I'M PROUD!

>

11 posted on 01/13/2005 8:59:52 PM PST by Former Dodger ("To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. " Confucius)
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To: jan in Colorado

Good one, Jan, thanks for the PING!


12 posted on 01/13/2005 9:02:11 PM PST by Former Dodger ("To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. " Confucius)
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To: dennisw

I'll tell 'em how to "prevent unnecessary harm to Islam's image"...
STOP MURDERING PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF ALLAH!!!
Then again, that advice comes fourteen centuries too late, and they sure wouldn't take it anyway!


13 posted on 01/13/2005 9:04:51 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: dennisw

When you encounter ANYTHING written or spoken by a Muslim, you have to keep in mind that the "holy" Koran makes it a virtue to lie to the infidel in order to further the cause of holy war against him.


14 posted on 01/13/2005 9:07:58 PM PST by broadsword (It was far beyond anything seen here before!)
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To: dennisw
"And so, to prevent unnecessary harm to Islam’s image, she asks if it might not be possible to avoid the word “Jihad” altogether."

Mehdi, if you don't want unnecessary harm to Islam's image. Publicly renounce Al Q, Hamas, Islamic Jihad,quit beheading people, quit flying airplanes into buildings, quit taking out families in restaurants and malls by suicide bombing, etc. You are responsible for Islams image due to your abysmal failure to condemn terrorism and the islamic extremists who practice it.
15 posted on 01/13/2005 9:13:02 PM PST by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: dennisw

Thanks for the post. I does give a good summary of things many of us have been aware of. Sadly, so many are sold into converting to Islam in this country and abroad without the slightest idea of what they are getting into.
I look forward to the two upcoming articles to follow this one.


16 posted on 01/13/2005 9:18:20 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: dennisw

May I request you to ping me when the second and third installment come out? Thanks.


17 posted on 01/13/2005 9:19:47 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: Wolfhound777
Publicly renounce Al Q, Hamas, Islamic Jihad,quit beheading people, quit flying airplanes into buildings, quit taking out families in restaurants and malls by suicide bombing, etc.

Renounce their holy sacraments? No way. Dream on, my friend.
18 posted on 01/13/2005 9:21:14 PM PST by broadsword (It was far beyond anything seen here before!)
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To: jan in Colorado; dennisw
Thanks for the ping... excellent article!

Infidels have discovered websites where four or even five Quran’ic translations are laid out for comparative reading, a horizontal pentapla that may be accessed at www.usc.edu. At the same site, or at many others, Infidels can now read for themselves hundreds of the Hadith (the sayings and acts of Muhammad). In addition to reading Qur’an and Hadith, Infidels can read the sira, or life of Muhammad.

Lets keep the good work and continue exposing the evil cult of death for what it really is.

19 posted on 01/13/2005 9:34:25 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: dennisw
"Kitman" , a partial truth, omission of the whole truth or meaning with the intent to decieve...

.... in support of this doubtful proposition, the hadith in which Muhammad, returning home from one of his many battles, is reported to have said (as known from a chain of transmitters, or isnad), that he had returned from “the Lesser Jihad to the Greater Jihad” and does not add what he also knows to be true, that this is a “weak” hadith, regarded by the most-respected muhaddithin as of doubtful authenticity,...

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From another article concerning the recently elected Mahmoud Abbas, new leader of the Palestinian Authority..

Mr. Abbas shows tactical flexibility.
Unlike Arafat, who could never let go of the terrorist tool that had brought him wealth, power, and glory, Mr. Abbas sees the situation more cogently.
If stopping the violence against Israel best serves his goal of eliminating the sovereign Jewish state, that is his program.

He no more accepts what he so charmingly the other day called the "Zionist enemy" than Arafat did (or Hamas, or Palestinian Islamic Jihad), but he is open to a multiplicity of means to destroy it.
As he announced after his electoral victory this week, "the lesser jihad is over and the greater jihad is ahead."
The form of jihad must change from violent to nonviolent, but the jihad continues.

source link

It is more than that, as the explanation from this article suggests / exposes..

It is the use of a recognized "weak" and meaningless hadith, or biographical reference..
It is practically a muslim "code word" meant to say, "we will now decieve the infidels for a time.."

"The arabs who call themselves Palestinians" will now understand that [ phase b ] is now in effect..
General complaints of victimhood.. oppression by the Israelis, the west, and Jews in general..
Complaints of poverty, lack of opportunity, lack of MONEY... Demands for MONEY to provide infrastructure, (water, sewer, roads) and MONEY for jobs programs,(jobs in Israel = access to Israel ) small business loans, (metal-working shops mostly..) MONEY for education programs.. ( education at Israeli universities and colleges = access to Israel )
Complaints of ACCESS TO ISRAEL will escalate at border crossings, etc..
Finally, RELIGIOUS OUTRAGE.. Some act by Sharon or other Israeli official will be characterized as an outrageous offence..
Protest and Riots will begin..
The NEW INTIFADA is started..

Minimum time frame, 2 years..

20 posted on 01/13/2005 9:45:33 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach

No such luck, as the placing of a mine on a farm road last night and the IED blowing up the crossing where Arabs can find work in Gaza along with the dual suicide bombers used to take out the medics and the mortar barrage to take out the ambulances.

I am afraid the "Greater Jihad" uses the traditional meaning of the word, terrorism. Perhaps the Arabs should consult with the NPR on image management issues before slaughtering people.


21 posted on 01/13/2005 10:05:29 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: dennisw

So whose interpretation of "jihad" are we to accept as authentic? The "scholars" in America who tell us that the true meaning of jihad is "spiritual struggle?" Or the clerics in the Middle Eastern universities and mosques who advise their people that true Muslims are obligated to embark on jihad, and kill unbelievers wherever they find them? Since the root of Islam is in the Middle East, I tend to believe the Middle Eastern clerics.


22 posted on 01/13/2005 10:11:36 PM PST by DianeDePoitiers
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To: dennisw; All
Islam, The Alleged Religion of Peace® ( TARP™ )? Click this picture:


23 posted on 01/13/2005 11:53:45 PM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: dennisw
JIHAD:

Qur’an 2:216 “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads:] “Warfare is ordained for you.”
Qur’an 4:95 “Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward.”

Muslim:C28B20N4631 “I heard Muhammad say: ‘I would not stay behind when a raid for Jihad was being mobilized unless it was going to be too hard on the believers. I love that I should be killed in Allah’s Cause; then I should be brought back to life and be killed again.’”
Qur’an 9:111 “Allah has purchased the believers, their lives and their goods. For them (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise). They fight in Allah’s Cause, and they slay and are slain; they kill and are killed.”

Perpetual death what a concept in futility

24 posted on 01/14/2005 12:17:54 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: DianeDePoitiers
So whose interpretation of "jihad" are we to accept as authentic? The "scholars" in America who tell us that the true meaning of jihad is "spiritual struggle?" Or the clerics in the Middle Eastern universities and mosques who advise their people that true Muslims are obligated to embark on jihad, and kill unbelievers wherever they find them? Since the root of Islam is in the Middle East, I tend to believe the Middle Eastern clerics.

Which Jihad is the one that affects you and other civilized people? It's the Jihad of demographics as in Europe and the Jihad of terrorism and war.

Who gives a fig about that Jihad of inner struggle to be a better Muslims? That only affects them, the Muslims, is of no concern to me.

25 posted on 01/14/2005 1:14:58 AM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: highlander_UW
All Things Considered. January 7, 2005 ; "Jihad" is one of the few Arabic words used in English. It means "spiritual struggle," but many Muslims have pointed out that "jihad" is almost always used in English in the context of terrorism, even though the actual meaning is broader. Commentator Anisa Mehdi would like to propose a word that could be used instead of "jihad." -- From the NPR Website

Right you are. This silly interview with Anisa Mehdi was only last week. For anyone who wants to listen, go to NPR:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4273847

 

26 posted on 01/14/2005 1:20:36 AM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

I will try to track them and do so.


27 posted on 01/14/2005 1:22:38 AM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: dennisw
Commentator Anisa Mehdi would like to propose a word that could be used instead of "jihad."

Hmmmm...."kampf" might do it.

28 posted on 01/14/2005 4:42:27 AM PST by Selous
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To: dennisw
Hugh really let the cat out the hat with this nice piece on TROP. BTW, I am grateful having had the chance to read this.

Thanks,
BC
29 posted on 01/14/2005 6:58:55 AM PST by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: BayouCoyote

Hugh is very good. The truth hurts....I would not want to be a Muslim and hear him deconstruct the life of Muhammad.


30 posted on 01/14/2005 7:36:42 AM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: dennisw

I ask if you could put me on your ping list for the upcoming articles (parts,2,3). Your replie:
"I will try to track them and do so"

Thank you. And thanks again for this most well written and revealing article.


31 posted on 01/14/2005 10:36:03 AM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Firstly. I will give the URL to the Online Koran translation I have used for some time. It is:

http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

I tend to check things out I see posted based on this translation. Looks pretty much identical.

Hope other that do not have access to an English translation take advantage of the above site. It is very easy to browse, go to a particular sarah, query on verses etc..

Yea, this stuff is very troubling. At least the western world is starting to get an idea as how dangerous Islam is.
Some of the statements the authored expressed has been on my mind for a long time. People look strange at me when I make statements that the Islamic radicals are actually trying to obey their cult's writtings. And those that practice peace are not obeying allah and his prophet.
The main problem as I see it, is simple. The Islamic world must come to the conclusion their religion is actually a cult created by a quite screwed up group of individuals. Of course, this is impossible. The problem will not go away.


32 posted on 01/14/2005 11:42:36 AM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: dennisw
And should that step be taken, all the king’s horses and all the king’s men will not be able to put NPR together again."

That's too bad...really. /sarcasm

Hugh does it again!
33 posted on 01/14/2005 1:17:41 PM PST by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: jan in Colorado

Thanks for the ping jan.

From what i gather, the Muslims keep trying to explain away all of their religion's evil aspects. Jihad is a war against all non-Muslims, and any Muslim who tries to say it's a "spiritual struggle" is lying.


34 posted on 01/14/2005 2:14:17 PM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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To: Marine_Uncle
Yea, this stuff is very troubling. At least the western world is starting to get an idea as how dangerous Islam is.
Some of the statements the authored expressed has been on my mind for a long time. People look strange at me when I make statements that the Islamic radicals are actually trying to obey their cult's writtings. And those that practice peace are not obeying allah and his prophet.

No religions can live only on evil. There are good and band parts to Islam and good and bad parts of Muhammad's life. 
So think of Muhammad:
In Mecca was peaceful
In Medina was a terrorist warlord
The Koran's Medina verses overrule the earlier Meccan verses

Muhammad first taught in Mecca for 13 years and only got 100 followers. Most of his preachings were peaceful during his Mecca days. This is where the Koran gets its Meccan verses which are peaceful ones.

Muhammad then moved to Medina and this is where he becomes a terrorist, assassin, a warlord. The evil verses of the Koran reflect this latter part of Muhammad's life. The Islamic Jihadists of today are copying Muhammad's life as a ruthless conqueror. All Muhammedans are ordered to emulate the life of Muhammad. 
The Jihadists have plenty of Islamic scripture to back them up. More scripture than the peaceful Muslims have. And the later Medina verses are superior (overrule) the early Mecca verses whenever there is a contradiction.

The more peaceful Muslims try to ignore the evil side of Muhammad. They play a game of pretend. They are always intimidated and abused by the violent Muslims

35 posted on 01/14/2005 4:04:06 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: dennisw

"They play a game of pretend."
Yes. One can find verses in the Koran and Hadith the talk about when it is ok to pretend, lie, deceive, in order to "protect Islam". They are so screwed up it is totally beyond believe for those that just starting to study the cult, the histories of the region, etc.. The past few years have been a real eye opener for me. Until then I only went on what I read in a few books on Islam, one somewhat in very watered down terms made known that there was a lot wrong, but did not elaborate. It is so easy to see how these peoples in the often extreme backward social/geographic environments could so easily be keeped in ignorance. And for those that do know the real deal, Immans and professors that have contact with the western world etc., they just keep clamed up. If they get out of line due to a total change of heart (realize how bad their cult is) they stand the chance of being killed. To get truly anywhere, the world of Islam (it's various leaders) would have to provide a total thesis on how the cult really came into being and why it is not of the one real God. They would have to instruct all their peoples as how over many centuries Islam used the sword to conquere and enslave, and use OT/NT scriptures after they where converted, to teach why Islam is a clever Satanic forgery. And we know this can never happen.
So regardless of what some that abhore violence for it's very nature, try to ease the tensions, it will do no good for those billion plus adharents that have no education and have no hope, and really are still living in midevial times or earlier without a clue as how the rest of the world has moved forward.


36 posted on 01/14/2005 4:49:00 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: Marine_Uncle

Reading jihadwatch.com is very good for learning about Islam. Also "The Haj" by Leon Uris provides much insight into the Islamic mentality. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0553248642?v=glance


37 posted on 01/14/2005 9:45:00 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Karen Armstrong is the most notorious white washer of Islam. She is adored in Europe. There are other multiculturalists who are just as bad on Islam


38 posted on 01/14/2005 10:15:33 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: dennisw

Thanks for this post. Could you please ping me if you post the subsequent articles. Thanks


39 posted on 01/14/2005 10:58:40 PM PST by faux_hog
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To: dennisw

"Reading jihadwatch.com is very good for learning about Islam."
I'm aware of this site by earlier FR posts. Thanks.

"Karen Armstrong is the most notorious white washer of Islam. She is adored in Europe. There are other multiculturalists who are just as bad on Islam." Like many western Islamist apologists, they do not have the stomach to tell the whole story. They fit in quite well with the concept that it is ok to lie to protect Islam.


40 posted on 01/15/2005 10:39:37 AM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: dennisw
“Kitman” is close to “taqiyya,” but rather than outright dissimulation, it consists in telling only a part of the truth, with “mental reservation” justifying the omission of the rest. One example may suffice. When a Muslim maintains that “jihad” really means “a spiritual struggle,” and fails to add that this definition is a recent one in Islam (little more than a century old), he misleads by holding back, and is practicing “kitman.” When he adduces, in support of this doubtful proposition, the hadith in which Muhammad, returning home from one of his many battles, is reported to have said (as known from a chain of transmitters, or isnad), that he had returned from “the Lesser Jihad to the Greater Jihad” and does not add what he also knows to be true, that this is a “weak” hadith, regarded by the most-respected muhaddithin as of doubtful authenticity, he is further practicing “kitman.”

Apparently the DU folks subscribe to this practice.

41 posted on 01/15/2005 10:57:51 AM PST by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: dennisw

ping


42 posted on 01/15/2005 6:04:59 PM PST by ViLaLuz
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To: dennisw

In the middle ages bigots made suspect groups swear special oaths since it was 'known' they would lie:



"The Jew shall stand on a sow's skin and the five books of Master Moses shall lie before him, and his right hand up to the wrist shall lie on the book and he shall repeat after him who administers the oath of the Jews:

Regarding such property of which the man accuses you, you know nothing of it nor do you have it. You never had it in your possession, you do not have it in any of your chests, you have not buried it in the earth, nor locked it with locks, so help you God who created heaven and earth, valley and hill, woods, trees, and grass, and so help you the law which God himself created and wrote with His own hand and gave Moses on Sinai's mount. And so help you the five books of Moses that you may nevermore enjoy a bite without soiling yourself all over as did the King of Babylon.

And may that sulphur and pitch flow down upon your neck that flowed over Sodom and Gomorrah, and the same pitch that flowed over Babylon flow over you, but two hundred times more, and may the earth envelope and swallow you up as it did Dathan and Abiram. And may your dust never join other dust, and your earth never join other earth in the bosom of Master Abraham if what you say is not true and right. [This refers either to a decent burial or to resurrection.] And so help you Adonai you have sworn the truth.

If not, may you become as leprous as Naaman and Gehazi, and may the calamity strike you that the Israelite people escaped as they journeyed forth from Egypt's land. And may a bleeding and a flowing come forth from you and never cease, as your people wished upon themselves when they condemned God, Jesus Christ, among themselves, and tortured Him and said [Matthew 27:25]: "His blood be upon us and our children." It is true, so help you God who appeared to Moses in a burning bush which yet remained unconsumed. It is true by the oath that you have sworn, by the soul which you bring on the Day of Judgment before the Court, [before the God of] Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It is true, so help you God and the oath you have sworn [Amen]."


43 posted on 01/22/2005 7:13:24 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: dennisw
there are some other words in english that come from arabic. for example, from my random house dictionary:

ASSASSIN n. 1. a murderer, esp. one who carries out a plot to kill a public official or other prominent person. 2. assassin. a member of a secret order of moslem fanatics who terrorized and killed christian crusaders. [french < medieval latin. assassinus < arabic hashshashin, user of hashish , hashish, hashish.]

does any of this sound familiar? they've been doing this for centuries, killing public officials, and using drugged assassins, such as in chechnya, where the school kids were murdered.

44 posted on 01/22/2005 7:26:21 AM PST by ken21 (4 as much time as u spend on the internet, u cd have several college degrees--daisy noonan)
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To: backhoe

I have no tolerance for any Islamic puke.


45 posted on 01/22/2005 7:34:18 AM PST by gortklattu (As the preacher in Blazing Saddles said "You're on your own.")
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