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'India, China may outshine US by 2020'
timesofindia.indiatimes.com ^ | FRIDAY, JANUARY 14, 2005 10:44:02 PM | CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA

Posted on 01/14/2005 10:28:02 AM PST by Destro

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To: An Old Marine


Ten years ago I had a history professor announce that Japan would own the United States by 2010.

Idiot professors.


41 posted on 01/14/2005 11:44:25 AM PST by Skinn_dogg
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To: Non-Sequitur

I have never read where Japan - a nation with less population than the USA would pass the USA except from hacks. Now China and India are different in that they have a huge population that can fuel and sustain markets and growth.


42 posted on 01/14/2005 11:47:02 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Skinn_dogg

I had virtually the same conversation when I was in a college class. That was about '69 or '70.

College profs it would seem aren't getting any smarter.


43 posted on 01/14/2005 12:04:40 PM PST by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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To: rellimpank
--as we spend ourselves into fiscal oblivion, on Congressional pork---

Government spending as percentage of GDP is higher in India and China than in the USA. But don't let reality interfere with your delusion.

44 posted on 01/14/2005 12:24:55 PM PST by Skylab
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
Does that mean that their jobs will get outsourced to the United States?

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

45 posted on 01/14/2005 12:26:10 PM PST by mhking (Do not mess with dragons, for thou art crunchy & good with ketchup...)
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To: mhking; Poohbah

Given the past track record of CIA predictions, I think China and India are hosed.


46 posted on 01/14/2005 12:29:04 PM PST by hchutch (A pro-artificial turf, pro-designated hitter baseball fan.)
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To: Destro

this is true!! not china...


47 posted on 01/14/2005 12:29:47 PM PST by nikos1121
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To: Srirangan

i was referring to china actually.. i'm not worried about india..


48 posted on 01/14/2005 12:30:36 PM PST by nikos1121
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To: indcons

true... i was referring to china.. im not worried about india


49 posted on 01/14/2005 12:31:13 PM PST by nikos1121
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To: Destro
"As India's economy grows, governments in Southeast Asia -- Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, and other countries -- may move closer to India to help build a potential geopolitical counterweight to China...[sic]

Sometimes I honestly think that our intelligence agency is stupid.

This is complete nonsense.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

50 posted on 01/14/2005 12:32:05 PM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Destro
Well, in reality, in my comparatively short lifetime I have also heard that Japan and Germany would outshine the US. Neither has come to pass and in fact, we have left them in the dust. Like Reagan, I believe this country's best days are ahead.

As far as India and China are concerned, they have not created a damn thing except for a near slave labor market for American jobs. Almost every piece of technology they have to steal, unlike the Germans and Japanese of the late 80’s and early 90’s.

51 posted on 01/14/2005 12:38:00 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: SpaceBar
"China may very well someday shine with the light of ten thousand suns."

Yeah, I hear China's nukes are getting pretty decrepit...

Or if you meant economically, by the time they hit 10,000, the US will be a few zeroes ahead.
52 posted on 01/14/2005 1:07:02 PM PST by Terpfen (Gore/Sharpton '08: it's Al-right!)
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To: Brian Allen

Lumping communists and Indians? Hmmmm...don't know if you are aware of either.


53 posted on 01/14/2005 1:56:53 PM PST by indcons (The Quran - the world's first WMD)
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To: Saberwielder

You're right. India is a long, long way off from challenging the US in the next 50 years. Yes, the country appears to be moving in a less-socialistic direction but the corruption is TERRIBLE.

The only Indians who predict a rosy future for that country (without basis) are the ones who haven't left India. India has miles to go......


54 posted on 01/14/2005 2:02:07 PM PST by indcons (The Quran - the world's first WMD)
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To: Antoninus; bayourod

Bayourod does not dwell in this dimension.

Forget reasoning, and accountability.


55 posted on 01/14/2005 2:26:33 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: bayourod

"Unemployment is low causing labor shortages in some sectors. If we don't increase our labor force US companies will be forced to close, outsource or relocate over seas."

Still reading those Archie comic books....are you?


56 posted on 01/14/2005 2:27:58 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Destro

Interesting report. The whole thing should be ended with a
IF - we don't eliminate SS, and Medicaid, and just about every Federal agency their is except the military and cut taxes by a bunch.

If we can cut government we can never be overtaken as #1.


57 posted on 01/14/2005 3:19:44 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/blackconservatism.htm)
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To: Destro; All
How about a few doses of reality injected here?

In the 1970's the US put men on the moon almost half a dozen times AND RETURNED THEM ALL TO EARTH SAFELY, while china and India have barely launched a rocket. We're seriously thinking about how to build a self-sustaining base on the moon and going to Mars while they haven't even left orbit.

Virtually everything these two countries produce was invented by Americans: Computers, copiers, printers, cell phones, satellite phones, GPS everything, Internet, wi-fi, every technological goodie that can be mentioned. They may have production facilities but they have like was mentioned in a previous post, no innovation.

We just test flew a scramjet that went about 6,000 miles per hour with potential to do 10,000 mph. They have a LONG way to go to come close to that. We have a solar powered plane that's working on making it around the world with no fuel. We just test flew the X-Prize vehicle for civilian use of space.

We have a military with stealth bombers, night vision, infrared vision, smart bombs, cruise missiles, M1A1 tanks, a dozen of the most up to date, state of the art Aircraft Carriers, the most superbly trained and equipped, not to mention bravest men and women to be found anywhere, and on and on. What have India or China got that comes close to competing?

We're creating small businesses at a frantic pace. We have an economy that has been doing its part to eradicate air and water pollution, have safety regulations that make our workplaces some of the safest in the world, companies that are well funded, small businesses that can get venture capital cash when necessary for expansion and on and on. Not to mention the fact that we have a consumer based economy that can efficiently jump start rallies during down times because of spendable income. What's the total value of our economy? It's measured in the TENS OF TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS! Our government budget, at 1.5 trillion dollars, is larger than both of their economies combined, or pretty close!

Virtually all of our largest cities and many of our medium sized cities are intalling wi-fi systems so that within a few years, every person in this country will be able to access the Internet and other online services at will for little or nothing. We still FAR outrank every other country, including these two in Nobel Prizes and we have the FOREMOST universities in the world. This is before we count over 2,500 major research laboratories and thousands more government, company and university labs. We have what? 90%+ literacy?

And just like that in the next 15 years, these two countries are going to make all of these advantages go away and surpass us? uh Yah. Sure.

Whatever sphere of influence we want to discuss, the US is the unequalled leader in them: financial, economic, military, industrial, intellectual etc.

I'm just tired of people predicting our demise. This report seems to assume that the US is just going to be sitting still in the next 15 years, waiting to be overtaken by these countries who have FAR more serious internal problems than we have in our darkest nightmares.

The CIA will have to talk a LOT faster to convince me of this premise.

Godspeed

58 posted on 01/14/2005 3:39:37 PM PST by America's Resolve (awarforeurabia.blogspot.com - Watching the war for Europe)
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To: Terpfen

I was actually referring to the luminous intensity of an uncontrolled thermonuclear chain reaction. Several even.


59 posted on 01/14/2005 5:31:59 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: indcons

<< Lumping communists and Indians? Hmmmm...don't know if you are aware of either. >>

In case you didn't notice, the delusional fantasizer of the piece at the head of this thread did that. I followed his lead.

And, having lived in and around and out of Asia two thirds of the past more than forty years -- and, as I write, being seated with a thousand miles of both squalid states -- I'll both stack my awareness of china's medieval reality and Indias's, up against any -- and, while open to any debate and discussion, will meanwhile put my money on mine.

Blessings -- B A


60 posted on 01/14/2005 8:21:30 PM PST by Brian Allen (Who is Bob Wallace?)
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