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MIKE OPENS FIRE ON GUN MAKERS
New York Post ^ | 1/19/05 | TOM TOPOUSIS

Posted on 01/19/2005 12:23:51 AM PST by kattracks

For the first time in the nation, gun makers and dealers are now liable for injuries or deaths caused by the criminal use of their weapons, under a landmark law signed yesterday by Mayor Bloomberg.

The law — one of four bills signed regulating gun sales and possession — goes further than any other city's effort to hold the gun industry financially responsible for crimes involving their weapons.

"We need to do everything we can to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and out of the hands of children," said Bloomberg. "There's just no argument here. Guns kill people, it's time to get them off the street."

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Among the rules that could hold a dealer or manufacturer liable are multiple gun sales to one person or sales at a gun show without performing a criminal-background check.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; govwatch; nazi; rinowatch

1 posted on 01/19/2005 12:23:51 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks

Just as I was actually coming around to the possibility of voting for this guy...


2 posted on 01/19/2005 12:25:39 AM PST by PianoMan (and now back to practicing)
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To: PianoMan

"For the first time in the nation, gun makers and dealers are now liable for injuries or deaths caused by the criminal use of their weapons, under a landmark law signed yesterday by Mayor Bloomberg. "

OMG is this really happening...its like one of those liberal episodes of Law and Order where Jack MaCoy is trying to convince you that guns kill people...I thought it took a person to pull the trigger...lol..I could be wrong...

by the way...didn't Cain kill his brother Abel....don't think there guns then...lol..or SUV's


3 posted on 01/19/2005 12:39:56 AM PST by YoungBlackRepublican (90 percent of African Americans Vote Democrat...that's not independent thinking...it's sheep like)
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To: kattracks

Yup that'll do it. One more gun law. Yep.


4 posted on 01/19/2005 12:47:46 AM PST by bad company (if guns cause crime, then keyboards cause spelling mistakes)
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To: YoungBlackRepublican

said Bloomberg. "There's just no argument here. Guns kill people, it's time to get them off the street."

Intentional deception by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg. He states that guns kill people. According to mayor Bloomberg, guns are irresponsible, not criminals. Yet, Bloomberg seeks to make gun manufactures responsible for that which Bloomberg himself has failed. Bloomberg has failed to stop criminals from killing people.  Bloomberg has failed and now he is pointing his finger at anyone but the criminal and himself.

5 posted on 01/19/2005 12:56:18 AM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: kattracks

This is what the "big tent" crap gets you every time: Liberals masquerading as Republicans.


6 posted on 01/19/2005 1:03:33 AM PST by Prime Choice (I have to keep my expectations low. I can't fake looking impressed.)
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To: Prime Choice

Bloomie was a registered Dim until the October before the NY mayoral election the following month.


7 posted on 01/19/2005 1:20:02 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
exactly how small is mayor loonbergs brain and how big is his vagina?If this moron had any self respect he would resign now and defect to Cuba where his ideological brethren have been hanging out for decades
8 posted on 01/19/2005 1:35:58 AM PST by freepatriot32 (http://chonlalonde.blogspot.com)
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To: kattracks
"We need to do everything we can to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and out of the hands of children," said Bloomberg. "There's just no argument here. Guns kill people, it's time to get them off the street."

Spoken like a true Republican.

And to think, I thought fraud was against the law.

9 posted on 01/19/2005 1:51:54 AM PST by Imal (Let us trim our hair in accordance with Socialist lifestyle.)
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To: kattracks

BTTT


10 posted on 01/19/2005 3:03:16 AM PST by spodefly (Yo, homey ... Is that my briefcase?)
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To: kattracks
As has been suggested by so many thoughful FReepers out there, in response to anything Bloomberg dictates, a simple but firm "Not likely, no thank you." should suffice for this highly concentrated spec of irrelevancy.
11 posted on 01/19/2005 3:10:21 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: kattracks

This guy is a left wing fascist. Is there any formal procedure in the national by-laws to throw him out of the Republican party?


12 posted on 01/19/2005 5:55:09 AM PST by sergeantdave (Help save the environment. Mail your old tires and garbage to the local Sierra Club.)
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To: YoungBlackRepublican
by the way...didn't Cain kill his brother Abel....don't think there guns then...lol..or SUV's

Why yes you are right.

And Samson slew a thousand with the jawbone of an ass...

Perhaps the mayor is about to be turned into a murder weapon.

13 posted on 01/19/2005 7:02:36 AM PST by jokar (On line data base http://www.trackingthethreat.com/db/index.htm)
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To: bad company
Yup that'll do it. One more gun law. Yep.

The law — one of FOUR bills signed regulating gun sales and possession

"For the first time in the nation, gun makers and dealers are now liable for injuries or deaths caused by the criminal use of their weapons, under a landmark law signed yesterday by Mayor Bloomberg. "

First time? tell that to all the cities that have sued the industry and dealers for a decade, Now they have an actual law to do it with, maybe the supremes will have to take the case once and for all...

14 posted on 01/19/2005 7:08:46 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Patience is a virtue, but it aint one of mine !!!)
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To: kattracks
"There's just no argument here. Guns kill people, it's time to get them off the street."

Out of the hands of police, too, right?

15 posted on 01/19/2005 7:10:15 AM PST by Sloth (Al Franken is a racist.)
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To: kattracks
"We need to do everything we can to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and out of the hands of children," said Bloomberg. "There's just no argument here. Guns kill people, it's time to get them off the street."

I suggest he start with the police officers and his personal bodyguards. We don't anyone killed now do we.

16 posted on 01/19/2005 7:12:28 AM PST by hoosierboy
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To: kattracks
it's time to get them off the street.

I hate that phrase, it's not like you walk down the street and there are guns laying around.

17 posted on 01/19/2005 7:13:50 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Gilbo_3

Constitutionality aside (and it usually is when liberals discover a clause or amendment they don't like), is this legal or binding against a gun manufacturer not located or doing business in NYC?


18 posted on 01/19/2005 7:15:59 AM PST by pawdoggie
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To: kattracks
Gun makers and dealers are only held liable when they do not comply with a strict code of conduct regulating sales and transfers of their weapons to keep them out of the hands of criminals, Bloomberg said.

This will only happen once or twice. And those few instances will never be financially significant events to a manufacturer. This legislation is simply more touchy feely worthless gun legislation.

19 posted on 01/19/2005 7:20:41 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: pawdoggie
Yes, it is. Or so they hope. The small (or large) company manufacturing firearms in Arizona is now liable in NYC for the actions of the second, fifth or eighteenth buyer of the product.

If this stands, how long do you think it will be before somebody sues Ford because somebody sideswiped them with a F-150?

20 posted on 01/19/2005 7:22:36 AM PST by kAcknor (That's my version of it anyway....)
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To: kattracks
This attack is on gun owners everywhere, not just in NYC. The enormous costs generated by this law will be distributed generally throught the gun manufacturers' ownership base.

Liberals are working hard to destroy the Second Amendment through vexatious civil lawsuits. The question is, is there a sufficient majority on the Supreme Court to reverse the trend? Presently I would have to say there is not.

21 posted on 01/19/2005 7:24:22 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: Rodney King

I hate that phrase, too. We don't let our guns out unescorted.


22 posted on 01/19/2005 7:25:41 AM PST by .38sw
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To: kattracks
Bloomberg...What a maroon. This guy's the poster child for America's RINO's. He might as well be David Dinkens.

Thanks Mike, but no thanks. All the existing laws haven't kept handguns out of the hands of your beloved criminal population; a few more couldn't hurt your image, right? At least it appears like your doing something for your constituants and financial supporters. Yeah, that's the ticket.

One-term Mikey. Might as well stir the pot as much as you can now, times almost up.

23 posted on 01/19/2005 7:35:23 AM PST by paulcissa (Only YOU can prevent liberalism.)
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To: pawdoggie
Under the stream of commerce doctrine, any gun manufacturer who should reasonably foresee that its guns would end up in New York City could be sued in NYC under this law, even if the manufacturer has no physical presence in New York. I cannot think of a gun manufacturer who could successfully argue that it was not reasonably foreseeable that its guns would end up in New York City. Even if a gun manufacturer could prevail, the costs of litigating and appealing the jurisdictional issue alone could run into millions or even tens of millions of dollars.

As I said, liberals know how to attack our rights in precise and expensive ways the founders never dreamed of. It helps their cause that they own the courts.

24 posted on 01/19/2005 7:39:36 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: kattracks
...sales at a gun show without performing a criminal-background check.

Come and get me Mikey, I've done that several times.

25 posted on 01/19/2005 8:28:54 AM PST by CPOSharky (Demoncrat speak - "Bipartisan" is only used when Republicans are the majority.)
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To: CPOSharky

Leagally.


26 posted on 01/19/2005 8:32:06 AM PST by CPOSharky (Demoncrat speak - "Bipartisan" is only used when Republicans are the majority.)
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To: kattracks
I am no attorney, but...

...To me it makes more legal sense that the Mayor be held personally liable for each case of a person being victimized of a violent crime in New York City. Particularly since the city politicians are so hellbent on removing a citizen's God given right to defend themselves.

I don't see how people can live in a place like that.

27 posted on 01/19/2005 9:05:15 AM PST by Ghengis
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To: kattracks

Well well, Micky came out of the DemocRat closet?


28 posted on 01/19/2005 9:59:05 AM PST by ORECON (Condi Rice/Ann Coulter 2008)
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To: kattracks
"There's just no argument here. Guns kill people, it's time to get them off the street."

None of my guns have ever killed anyone. Must be defective.

29 posted on 01/19/2005 10:05:50 AM PST by kevao
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To: kattracks

I am so donating money to whatever Democrat runs against this $hithead.


30 posted on 01/19/2005 10:16:36 AM PST by jmc813 (The Jets have broken my heart)
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To: kattracks
Someone please answer the following for me.


Scenario 1- I am a gun mfr, I produce a pistol and sell it to a wholesaler or a gun shop owner. All paperwork is in order, all rules and regs have been followed. I am paid for my pistol and the deal is finished.

Gun shop owner sells gun to my neighbor. Gun shop owner fails to do necessary back round check before turning over gun to my neighbor. neighbor goes home, fights with wife, kills same.

Scenario-2 same as above only the gun shop owner does complete properly the back round check and my neighbor goes home with the gun. After a week he realizes he doesn't want the gun and sells it to a friend, no back round check no anything, a quick and simple cash transaction. Said friend kills his wife with gun.

Is the gun mfr responsible in either of these cases and if so what is the reasoning under this law?

Thanks for any light you can shed on this seemingly absurd law.
31 posted on 01/19/2005 10:32:20 AM PST by JoeV1 (The Democrats-The unlawful and corrupt leading the uneducated and blind)
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To: kattracks

I reckon this shall get overturned at some level in the court system.


32 posted on 01/19/2005 11:47:02 AM PST by King Prout (trolls survive through a form of gastroenterotic oroborosity, a brownian "perpepetual movement")
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To: kattracks

"There's just no argument here. Guns kill people, it's time to get them off the street."

Totalitarian types love to close off arguments against their unconstitutional actions by saying that there is no argument, when it is easy to cite a plethora of arguments against them.


33 posted on 01/19/2005 6:33:21 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: kattracks

So who died and named the New York City Council to be our new federal government?


34 posted on 01/19/2005 7:14:31 PM PST by lowbridge
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