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Churches barred from 'gay' discrimination
WorldNetDaily ^ | January 22, 2005

Posted on 01/21/2005 10:24:51 PM PST by scripter

Illinois churches are protesting a new state law that bars them from "discriminating" against homosexuals, contending it robs Christians of their First Amendment freedoms.

Gov. Rod Blagojevich signed the bill into law yesterday amid a demonstration led by the Illinois Family Institute, or IFI, a non-profit group affiliated with Focus on the Family, Family Research Council and Alliance Defense Fund.

The measure adds "sexual orientation" to the state law that bars discrimination based on race, religion and similar traits in areas such as jobs and housing.

The bill was signed to loud cheers and a standing ovation from about 150 homosexual-rights supporters who see it as a human-rights issue.

"This legislation sends a clear message that we will not allow our citizens to be discriminated against," Blagojevich said in a statement.

"What we're doing today is older than scripture: Love thy neighbor," the governor told the audience yesterday, according to the Associated Press. "It's what Jesus said when he gave his Sermon on the Mount: 'Do unto others what you would have others do unto you."'

Illinois is the 15th state to prohibit discrimination based on "sexual orientation."

But IFI Executive Director Peter LaBarbera notes the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Carol Ronen, D-Chicago, is on record stating it should be applied to churches, meaning they would not be allowed, for example, to reject a job applicant who practices homosexual behavior.

Ronen said: "If that is their goal, to discriminate against gay people, this law wouldn't allow them to do that. But I don't believe that's what the Catholic Church wants or stands for."

LaBarbera argues politicians who don't view homosexuality as a sin have no right to take away the freedom of churches and people of faith to disagree.

"Since when do politicians get to interpret sacred religious teachings for the rest of us?" he said.

The law applies to organizations or businesses with more than 15 employees.

LaBarbera points out the Illinois law firm Ungaretti & Harris, which specializes in labor and employment issues, published an analysis of the measure, which says, "While many such municipal prohibitions on sexual orientation discrimination expressly exempt religious organizations from their coverage, the new amendment to Illinois' Human Rights Act does not."

The analysis says, "The question inevitably presented by this omission is whether the Bill will be applied to compel religious organizations to set aside convictions about homosexuality when making employment decisions. ... The measure may ultimately force courts to consider and balance its ban on sexual orientation discrimination with State and Federal constitutional safeguards of religious freedom."

LaBarbera says that with enactment of this law, government is coming down on one side of a heated moral controversy by forcing the acceptance of homosexuality, bisexuality and transsexuality.

"It's about saying that 'gay rights' are more important than religious freedoms, and we hope ultimately it will be struck down in court," he said.

The bill was passed on the last day of a lame-duck legislative session after a campaign by the state's leading homosexual lobby, Equality Illinois.

Commented LaBarbera: "There is no societal consensus for homosexuality, bisexuality or transsexuality as the basis for civil rights -- and certainly none for the idea that the 'rights' of homosexual should trump those of churches and people of faith to live our their rational belief that homosexuality is unnatural, wrong and harmful to those who practice it."


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1 posted on 01/21/2005 10:24:52 PM PST by scripter
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2 posted on 01/21/2005 10:25:54 PM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
The whold dang World's gone crazy!

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3 posted on 01/21/2005 10:32:58 PM PST by MarineBrat ("Religion in a Family is at once its brightest Ornament & its best Security." --Samuel Adams)
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To: scripter

this combined with a lifetime of voting fraud and the recent attempts in Illinois to physically confiscate firearms has led me to the final decision to move.

I will be leaving the State of Illinois. I have tendered my resignation at my job and I don't know where I'm going, but the Fascist "We ARE your God" State of Illinois is no longer a place to raise my children.

Given the current state of Illinois politics, there may be no going back. The City of Chicago and the "judicial hell-hole" counties of Madison and St. Clair (which I call home) are going to take this State off a cliff. And I, for one, am letting go of the rope.

Any suggestions on where to go would be extremely helpful as this is not just to make a point. I'm moving my family of five to another state. How's Nashville? Anyone live there?


4 posted on 01/21/2005 10:37:28 PM PST by dannyboy72 (How long will you hold onto the rope when Liberals pull us off the cliff?)
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To: scripter

Uh, whatever happened to "separation of church and state"? The government is now telling churches what they can and cannot do? -- uh, freedom of religion, too ??? Now the left continues its attack on Christianity VIA THE GAYS???

Just more pushing of the liberal fringe agenda using the judiciary --- remember, this is their strategy.


5 posted on 01/21/2005 10:40:47 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: scripter

If there were a church, Heaven forbid, that condoned homosexuality, would they be subject to the same rules where by the discriminated against heterosexuality?


6 posted on 01/21/2005 10:47:53 PM PST by Smartaleck
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To: scripter

It's coming! Kinda hoped I'd die first.


7 posted on 01/21/2005 10:51:23 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian ( Do laws that restrict you and remove gov't restrictions make you feel more safe?><BCC>)
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To: dannyboy72

Leaving Los Angeles, CA this summer and headed for Flagstaff, AZ myself.


8 posted on 01/21/2005 10:53:38 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian ( Do laws that restrict you and remove gov't restrictions make you feel more safe?><BCC>)
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To: dannyboy72
How's Nashville? Anyone live there?

No. Lots of tourists, but nobody lives there. ; )

9 posted on 01/21/2005 10:58:35 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: scripter
Now Illinois can be the second state to approve gay marriage. All it takes is one stupid law like this to set the tone for the debate. The good people of Illinois better act quickly before this becomes a reality.

My family is there. Most of my closest friends are there. But I'm glad I left.

10 posted on 01/21/2005 11:01:05 PM PST by SaveTheChief (There are 10 types of people -- those who understand binary, and those who don't.)
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To: scripter
It's now against Canadian law for a priest or pastor to preach against homosexual acts, and a Swedish pastor is now serving time for doing that in his country. Now the leftwingnut fascists in the US are attempting to make and enforce the same laws down here.

If the people of IL stand still for this outrageous law, what's next? You can't make me believe that a majority of Illinoisans are in favor of forcing churches to hire sodomites as their staff workers. When a state's elected lawmakers get this far out of touch with the people they represent it's time to jerk their chain, HARD.

11 posted on 01/21/2005 11:04:46 PM PST by epow
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To: scripter

Let's see...are the HRC and other assorted groups promoting the homosexualist agenda going to file suit against the rapidly expanding Madrassas, Mosques and other "Religion of Peace" outfits that employ more than 15 people? I somehow doubt it - they might end up with their head in a refrigerator somewhere.

No. what is now going to happen will be a full-scale legal assault upon every Christian school and organization in the state. When we post stories like the arrest of Ake Green in Sweden, there are invariably the folks who solemnly intone that it can't happen here. Well, guess what? IT IS HAPPENING HERE. The President's speech about promoting freedom and opposing tyranny seems more than a bit hollow sitting here in the #1 judicial hellhole in America.


12 posted on 01/21/2005 11:06:31 PM PST by Bogolyubski
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To: dannyboy72
Any suggestions on where to go would be extremely helpful as this is not just to make a point. I'm moving my family of five to another state.


13 posted on 01/21/2005 11:08:28 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: dannyboy72

huh...

You're running away, and I came to Illinois to work to beat 'em...


14 posted on 01/21/2005 11:12:55 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Left believes in everything about the First Amendment....except what it actually says!)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
It's coming! Kinda hoped I'd die first.

Im afraid we are all gonna sit and watch it burn.

I have a much different perspective of the entire collapse, from the outside looking in.

We are headed for a major turning point in our nation's history, but before that happens, the cities will be burned.

15 posted on 01/21/2005 11:16:33 PM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: dannyboy72

I would suggest Texas and soon. You need to get out before the the riots and violence starts up.


16 posted on 01/21/2005 11:18:57 PM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: dannyboy72

Why don't you stay and fight?


17 posted on 01/21/2005 11:19:27 PM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: Blue Collar Christian
Leaving Los Angeles, CA this summer and headed for Flagstaff, AZ myself.

Say goodbye to mild weather and hello to beautiful scenery. Flagstaff is a liberal college town set in the midst of pine forests. Arizona is a conservative state as a whole, though

18 posted on 01/21/2005 11:26:20 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (No tagline needed.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

Arizona..lived there in 96 for awhile. Fairly conservative, with a lot of libertarians however. Nebraska is better, but Arizona is prettier and has better mexican food :) Tempe is nice..


19 posted on 01/21/2005 11:26:45 PM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: Major_Risktaker

Some people have families


20 posted on 01/21/2005 11:27:47 PM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: scripter

I am so outraged by this I don't even know where to begin. Let them try to enforce this with churches. I think the "homosexual agenda" people should prepare for a very strong backlash against them. "And the lamb shall lie down with the lion" but not just yet.


22 posted on 01/21/2005 11:30:08 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: dannyboy72

My sis is in Nashville..a bit different than where she moved from..new orleans. Not as corrupt politically, less rain, and crowded as hell. Most BIG cities like it are breeding centers for socialism though, but i dont think you have to worry about gun confiscation there. No complaints from her end at least.


23 posted on 01/21/2005 11:30:39 PM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: Javelina

Right...the courts. Don't hold your breath.


24 posted on 01/21/2005 11:36:55 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: Major_Risktaker

It's traditional for Americans to seek freedom over the next mountain and around the next bend. If the spirit moves you, I say go for it. My wife and I got out of California this summer and are glad we did.


25 posted on 01/21/2005 11:38:27 PM PST by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: scripter
The Nazis closed down non-compliant churches and sent dissidents to concentration camps. The Nazis took over churches willing to be compliant to Nazi ideology. The Nazis chose who could be a church leader and what could and could not be taught in church, etc. until these churches were just propaganda organs of the Nazi Party.

It is easy to imagine that the state will bring criminal charges against chruches that refuse to have gay "marriages." The possibilities from there are limitless. What if an Islamo-fascist is offended by the doctrine of the Trinity? Will the state officials next forbid that the doctrine of the Trinity be taught in churches because it "discriminates" against other views about God? Will the teaching of Hebrew be banned in synagogues be banned because it "discriminates" against Arabic? Will the state demand that there be a certain number of lesbian priests? Now we are being told that the First Amendment does not apply to religious or political views and only politically-favored groups should enjoy freedom of speech and association. These are criminals and tyrants who have taken their lessons from Hitler. It is no wonder that they are also trying to confiscate firearms.

26 posted on 01/21/2005 11:39:36 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: claudiustg

Something is wrong when Americans have to leave certain states because of a fear of religious or political persecution. If President Bush wants to expand freedom, he should look closer to home and consider what is happening in Illinois.


27 posted on 01/21/2005 11:48:08 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: dannyboy72

Nashville is very blue. Knoxville would be better.


28 posted on 01/21/2005 11:53:53 PM PST by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: Windsong

And Scottsdale is even better! **shameless plug**


29 posted on 01/21/2005 11:56:39 PM PST by IrishRainy
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To: expatguy

There won't be any riots and violence. Was there any in Sweden? in Canada? in California (the faux-Republican Schwarzenegger signed a similar measure into law there this past fall)? No. Step by step, the left takes over. They've been working relentlessly for decades to achieve this end. They control most of the wealth in this nation, and the money they've spent on marketing the religion of 'tolerance' has done its work. Even many of the people of this forum hold to liberal principles in one way or another.

Barack Obama, a man who can best be described as a monster (he opposed outlawing the killing of infants who survive an abortion by sme miracle), was elected to the US Senate with 70 percent of the vote. The state is run by criminals who are voted in year after year by a stupid, doped-up, indoctrinated electorate - proof that democracy is useless in the hands of fools. The so-called opposition party is as hoplessly corrupt as the Dhimmicrats are. The party chief, a despicable corrupt RINO named Judy Barr Toopinka, marched in Chicago's Gay Pride parade. Illinois is going to become another Massachusetts - a place where you an vote for any candidate you wish as long as they are liberals.


30 posted on 01/21/2005 11:59:53 PM PST by Bogolyubski
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To: claudiustg; expatguy
It's traditional for Americans to seek freedom over the next mountain and around the next bend.

Were running out of mountains and bends which to tuck tail and run to. It's time to make a stand.

I just found this on the net looking for Anita Bryant information. My mother stood up for Anita a long time ago when I was a kid. Anita's career was crushed by the media and big business let her go.

Were all being attacked by the homosexual agenda one way or another.

Sorry for the picture. http://www.brumm.com/gaylib/images/anitacure.gif

http://www.brumm.com/gaylib/anitabryant1977_2.html

Here's one more:


The Link:

31 posted on 01/22/2005 12:06:09 AM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: dannyboy72
Best place I ever lived is Casper, Wyoming, Dick Chenney's home town.
32 posted on 01/22/2005 12:16:53 AM PST by dagogo redux (I never met a Dem yet who didn't understand a slap in the face, or a slug from a 45)
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To: scripter

>"What we're doing today is older than scripture: Love thy
>neighbor,"

Too bad such logic is not applied to, "Thou shalt not steal."

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Matthew 19:4-6


33 posted on 01/22/2005 12:22:35 AM PST by ROTB
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Catholic Ping - please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


34 posted on 01/22/2005 12:23:07 AM PST by NYer ("In good times we enjoy faith, in bad times we exercise faith." ... Mother Angelica)
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To: dannyboy72
How's Nashville? Anyone live there?

Lived in and around Nashville for 15 years. (Since college). Great place to raise a family, really friendly. Big enough to do "city" things (football, hockey) but still has a small town feel. Best of all. NO INCOME TAX!

35 posted on 01/22/2005 12:31:02 AM PST by Lost Highway (The things of earth will grow strangely dim in the light of his glory and grace.)
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To: expatguy

If the cities must burn to restore our Republic to what it was once and was meant to be, so be it.


36 posted on 01/22/2005 12:58:26 AM PST by Romish_Papist (www.angrygrimm.blogspot.com)
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To: scripter
"What we're doing today is older than scripture: Love thy neighbor," the governor told the audience yesterday, according to the Associated Press. "It's what Jesus said when he gave his Sermon on the Mount: 'Do unto others what you would have others do unto you."'

so basically, the governor is just saying that his religion is better than anybody else's and that's that....

freedom of religion...as long as its mine......

37 posted on 01/22/2005 1:03:05 AM PST by cherry
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To: Major_Risktaker

I'll tell you why. Because 85% of the population of southern illinios is made up of lawyers. In Illinios it is LEGAL for lawyers to contribute to the re-election campaigns of sitting judges, even judges who preside over their cases.

In East St. Louis, Democrats openly pay five dollars for every vote. We've tried to stop this, but the courts are literally owned by Democrats.

In Belleville, it has become some communistic that they created the "Good Government Party". One of their new "innovations" is to hold inspections for each property in the city and if someone needs to have repairs, they must use one of the city's contractors or face fines. They've taken cronism to a new high.

I've lived here most of my life (except college in Champaign). I've seen conservatives work themselves to death just to get an even shake. It will not happen.

Now you have the Chicago Daley Machine poster boy in office and he's importing drugs from Canada with no regard for what it does to our local businesses, no problem with undermining the American economy. Then, he's calling the desire to have gay sex a civil right.

If we've come to the point where our desires must be catered to, then I'll expect my carton of cigarettes in the mail each week. Oh, Blagoyebit$h also is adding to gun restrictions, having his aids take his kids to school, etc. And our local congressman has had three members of his family hired for 50K+ positions while the state was in a hiring freeze.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm fired up and I could go on forever.


38 posted on 01/22/2005 2:55:07 AM PST by dannyboy72 (How long will you hold onto the rope when Liberals pull us off the cliff?)
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To: epow
Well, ummm, I live here in Illinois, in the far far suburbs of Chicago, and I can tell you this.... Chicago sets the mandate for this entire state, and Chicago is a cesspool of homosexuals and liberals (yes there are a some conservatives in Chicago, but most live in the suburbs).

Entire neighborhoods are gay (boys town is the largest), Dennis Rodman was a icon to this town, the CrowBar is the elite bar to go to, etc.

Anyone with any assemblage of morality fled Chicago and Cook county years ago.

The problem is... we will soon have to leave the state, because of the dems now redistricting for judges, they will even be able to control the Republican counties from Chicago, and the Governor is just a shill for His Highness Mayor Daily.

Make no mistake, if Chicago was not in Illinois we too would be a blue state (look at county to county elections). Its just too bad that the city can set mandates for the entire state from the state school unions to religion, it just doesn't stop.
39 posted on 01/22/2005 3:52:31 AM PST by esoxmagnum
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To: scripter

ping


40 posted on 01/22/2005 5:18:41 AM PST by ViLaLuz
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To: dannyboy72

Leaving insanity in Oregon this year, moving to TEXAS.

Sounds like the real reason for this anti-discrimination legislation is to start a process of banning the bible and considering some scripture as hate speech.


41 posted on 01/22/2005 5:36:32 AM PST by truthandlogic (you are a free individual, with a free will, endowed by your creator with certain inalienable rights)
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To: scripter

How can a pastor who practices that life style lead his flock?
God said that lifestyle is wrong (leviticus 18:22, Romans 1). We are to love the sinner, not the sin. In order not to embrace the sin, do not embrace the lifestyle. Do not accept the lifestyle but accept the person.


42 posted on 01/22/2005 6:07:55 AM PST by navygal
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To: scripter

""What we're doing today is older than scripture: Love thy neighbor,""

Yes - Love Your Neighbor, absolutely correct.

However, loving your neighbor, and blindly 'tolerating' his or her immoral and destructive behavior are two entirely different things.

Give them the gospel - a belief in Christ is the only thing that will save them from their sin. Helping to save their eternal soul - that's love. Looking the other way in the name of 'tolerance' as they destroy themselves is NOT love.


43 posted on 01/22/2005 6:08:16 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow (Be Thou my wisdom and Thou my true word)
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To: dannyboy72
Any suggestions on where to go would be extremely helpful

Montana.

In the Western part East of the Rockies the weather is actually MILDER than here in IL. Even in the 'famous' city Cut Bank the high today will be 45o and 50's are forecast for the week. And if you like open prairies, there's Miles City in the Eastern part - which has one of the lowest Crime Rates in the USA. There the weather there is like IL (almost equal for today), but ZERO humidity in the summer. Then there's Hardin, its a tad East of Billings and near the Custer Battlefield.

In case you can't guess, some day (not quick enough) I'm gettin' out of this hell-hole called IL too! I have been checking out MT for a few years now.

That being said, a freeper posted last week the Mississippi has almost ZERO gin control laws, so if that's a primo important issue for you, MS might be it. BTW, I have a cousin that moved from IL to MS a few years back (job relocation) and he loves it.

44 posted on 01/22/2005 6:13:05 AM PST by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Gen G Patton)
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To: scripter

Perhaps this is a plea for the New Madrid fault superquake to strike sooner than later.


45 posted on 01/22/2005 6:21:31 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: dannyboy72

mobve across the border to indiana they have fairly lax gun laws and we just got a republican governor for the first time in 16 years they property taxes are a little screwy but over al l its a pro freedom state as long as you stay out of south bend that place is turning into mini chicago curroption wise and indianapolis is getting kinda bad every place else is alright to live in and raise children in


46 posted on 01/22/2005 6:46:17 AM PST by freepatriot32 (http://chonlalonde.blogspot.com)
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To: scripter
LaBarbera argues politicians who don't view homosexuality as a sin have no right to take away the freedom of churches and people of faith to disagree. "Since when do politicians get to interpret sacred religious teachings for the rest of us?" he said.

Precisely. Hopefully, the court will overturn this statute's application to religious institutions on Constitutional grounds.

47 posted on 01/22/2005 7:31:34 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: scripter
This is key to why the change is such a big issue:

LaBarbera points out the Illinois law firm Ungaretti & Harris, which specializes in labor and employment issues, published an analysis of the measure, which says, "While many such municipal prohibitions on sexual orientation discrimination expressly exempt religious organizations from their coverage, the new amendment to Illinois' Human Rights Act does not."

48 posted on 01/22/2005 7:58:45 AM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
However, loving your neighbor, and blindly 'tolerating' his or her immoral and destructive behavior are two entirely different things.

Exactly. Since those pushing the homosexual agenda can't see the difference, or don't care, we must:

  1. Continue pointing this out
  2. Tell as many as possible what's going on
  3. Remind folks that the number of former homosexuals continues to grow
At least as I see it...
49 posted on 01/22/2005 8:06:08 AM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Condor51

Wow...you can never have enough gin....


50 posted on 01/22/2005 8:06:18 AM PST by xp38
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