Posted on 01/23/2005 6:11:43 AM PST by flitton
Babies are the way to heal this wound.
I disagree. Repentance and acceptance of God's forgiveness through Christ are the only way to heal the wounds caused by sin. Babies are not an instrument to make us feel better about ourselves. That reasoning leads to situations like this one, where at least three more babies died in the woman's quest to give birth to one.
I have no interest in having a child as this woman did, that she did is her right. My first reply was to your "sixty year olds are tired, because you were tired at forty" comment .
Who's against ideal circumstances? Things aren't always the way they should be. As to who complains about overworked grandmothers (when their daughters abuse the privilege)--I meant insofar as this conversation was leaning . . .
Sounds to me like those kids are outside the norm of their peers.
It's normal to be busy when your in a family situation. Me and my children along with all their peers go from work ( or school) to ballgames....parties.... movies....shopping...chores...coaching and on and on.
Kids today all play video games and watch TV, these are shared interests of kids and not some evil activity.
All normal things we're s'pose to do at this time in our lives.
Sitting at home playing shuffleboard is for when your in your retired 60's and you don't have the energy to run the children to where they need to be.
I feel so sad for this child who will denied a full childhood because of the lack of a mother in her prime. Living in a retirement neighborhood with old grouchy people.
Personally I know my children have enjoyed and benefitted from the friendships between our families and their friends families. We've shared vacations together, sleep overs and sporting activities ect. Their childhoods would have suffered without those bonds.
How will a near 70 woman find that in her friendships of people her own age. Lets face it her friends are in the process of dying. They will not be going to cheerleading competitions...basketball tournaments...beach vacations.
This child will pay the price for the womans selfish desire.
Your vision of seniors is set in cement, it's a shame you render them useless, I'm so glad you are not one of mine.
Pointing out to you that later years in life can be enjoyable and useful is futile, you already have us shopping for a plot.
May God open your eyes and heart someday, for now, you have a nice day!
Oh get real, I never said seniors were useless. But the truth is they are not the best candidates for raising children. If you can't see or admit to that then you have blinders on.
70 year olds are or should be looking to buy a plot. our life span in this day and age is only around 70s on average. To start having babies when your life is coming to an end is absurdly selfish in trying to recreate your youth.
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Ack! I had my last child at 38, and believe you me having my eldest at 24 was much much easier. As a young mother, staying up all night with a fretting infant is easier than staying up all night (as you know) with one at 38.
This woman is incredibly selfish and her doctors are immoral, IMO.
I was *only* 37 when James was born, but I certainly didn't bounce back afterward as easily as in my 20's.
I think there's something very twisted when a country such as Romania, which still has a very high rate of abortions, and has all those children in dreadful orphanages, also has doctors doing IVF on post-menopausal single women. Couldn't she have dealt with her guilt by supporting a crisis-pregnancy ministry?
I agree that her efforts would have been better spent either in being an advocate for crisis pregnancy or as a foster mother.
To bring a child into the world at such an advanced age and through artificial means is wrong on so many levels.
As you know, many of the former Soviet States have treated abortion as birth control for nearly 50 years. I had Russian friends in grad school who had multiple abortions and only through rediscovering a faith in God were able to comprehend what they had done. I don't fault them. They were not walking in the light. I prayed with them when they realized that it was a child they had aborted, not a nuisance.
I think I remember reading that the *average* number of abortions for a Russian woman was 10. I assume it was about the same in Romania; I remember reading that the Ceaucescu government tried to get women to have babies by offering cash bonuses, but it still didn't work. It was a miserable society.
The worst thing about this story is not that the woman had two abortions when her conscience was totally unenlightened, but that she now, while supposedly a Christian, doesn't see the connection between what she did then and what she's done now.
I believe you are correct. I seem to recall 8-10 being average. As per the woman in this article, she is at best a nominal Christian or she would see what an injustice she is serving to "her" child.
Which is genetically the child of another mother and father ... which seems to me to have all the disadvantages of adoption, and none of the advantages!
You want to know what my life choices were, really? I had two choices before me: Have a baby or have an abortion. I had an abortion. That was in 1987 and I will regret that decision to my grave. The choices seemed simple, my friend. I made the wrong one. I put my own selfish wants and desires ahead of the life of an individual, a baby. So, yes, I will judge others for the choices that they make when it comes to killing a baby. I judge myself every day. The woman in this article STILL doesn't get it:
If there is anything I regret then it is those terminations, not having a baby now.
I have committed murder. This woman has apparently done something which caused her to remain childless for a long time--that's how she sees it. Except she wasn't childless. Her dead babies are still her babies. She is still putting her own selfish needs before those of a child. This one just happens to be living.
Now, tell me again why she's selfish now. She was selfish for NOT having the baby and now she's selfish FOR having the baby. What's the difference, really? So nobody over a certain age should take care of a child? What about all the parents who are raising their childrens' children? I thought if you don't have children you're selfish. Now, if you have children, you're selfish, if you're over a certain age, of course.
Her third aboriton.
AFAIC, IVF is damn near as evil as abortion. This woman is in Romania for crying out loud. Is there suddenly a shortage of unwanted children in Romania??? Vain. She won't accept a gift of life in God's image by adopting an orphan; she has to go to incredible lengths so she can have a child in her image. Pure selfish pride. Just because science enables us to do something doesn't mean that we should. BTW--I have never accused someone who chooses to be childless of being selfish, unless they have chosen abortion as a means to remain childless. With regard to children being raised by their grandparents, I think it is a wonderful blessing that there is someone in their life to love and nurture them. Millions of kids in this world don't have someone like that. Thanks to this selfish woman's efforts, one of them will remain deprived of such an opportunity.
Adoption isn't an option past a certain age.
But she doesn't even have that, because
In Mrs Iliescu's case, both the sperm and eggs she used were anonymously donated.
So all the money and struggle, three more babies dead, and apparently simply so she could have the experience of gestating someone else's baby for 7-1/2 months. And now she has an ill, premature newborn. The advantage of this over adoption is ... ?
I've said from the beginning, I believe this woman is mentally ill.
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