Skip to comments.Sign the Grassroots Petition: No Thanks, AARP!
Posted on 01/23/2005 9:59:48 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds
The American Association of Retired People is the biggest obstacle to President Bushs plan to modernize Social Security to include individual savings accounts for younger workers. The Wall Street Journal recently wrote that the AARP is dead set against Social Security reform. AARP has already launched a $5 million plan to scare older Americans into believing that the Presidents proposal is dangerous and will steal Social Security benefits from current retirees.
But this is a misleading argument at best. President Bush has explicitly stated that he will not cut benefits for current retirees. Current beneficiaries have nothing to worry about from President Bushs Social Security reform proposals. Still, that hasnt stopped the AARP from waging a campaign to mislead citizens and rally its 35 million members.
So why does the AARP oppose Social Security reform? It seems that the AARP has a single public policy agenda to lobby Congress to provide ever more subsidies to the retired community. What that really means is transfer wealth from the young to the old.
Is that what most of our older Americans really want? Is that whats really best for our country? Certainly many older Americans would support President Bushs proposal to give young Americans a chance to own their own retirement savings a chance to pursue the American dream of savings and accruing wealth over the course of their working life.
Heres what you can do. Visit www.NoThanksAARP.com and sign the petition, stating that you pledge to never become a member of the AARP.
Once youve signed the petition, we urge you to educate current AARP members about the facts on Social Security reform: educate them about how the AARP is trying to stop the President Bushs reform proposal. Tell them how AARP is trying to kill a reform that will improve the lives and futures of their grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
You can also tell them to quit the AARP by Calling 1-888-687-2277: Urge them to: Tell the AARP that I no longer want to be a member of the AARP since they oppose Social Security reform. Tell the AARP that I care about the future of your grandchildren and great-grandchildren!
The goal of this petition is to show the members of Congress that Americans are sick and tired of the AARPs scare tactics. President Bush has courageously decided to strengthen and modernize Social Security to provide a better deal for young Americans. We cant afford to let the Greedy AARP stop this important initiative!
Please visit this site and sign the petition!
1) AARP discriminates against people under 50. (taking a page out of the Dem. playbook).
2) AARP should lose it's "charity" (nonprofit) status immediately and have to pay back all the subsidies it's gleaned from it's bogus nonprofit status.
Please visit, sign the petition, and recruit some other grassroots petition signers! The AARP certainly doesn't represent my interests or the interest of my kids... I hope you will agree.
Asking the government to reform Social Security is a bit like asking the Corleones to reform their numbers racket. It's a Ponzi scheme, there is no trust fund, there is no money, they spent it all.
I sisgned the petition against the "Anti American Republic Pac". Cut off their money. I heard that they receive Tax money also. All of these groups against the Constitutional Republic of the United States are funded by our Tax money!
The ACLU, AARP, the UN and probably a hellof a lot more that we don't even know their names. We have so
much "American Tax Money" going into the system to
these "Anti American Organizations" it's a wonder we
have survived this long.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I actually don't like the President's plan. $2 Trillion is a LOT of money. I'm not sure the solution to the problem needs to costs that much. To be honest, I also wonder if the problem itself is a less than $2 Trillion shortage (making this plan a washout as far as tax dollars go). A $2 Trillion dollar fix for a $2 Trillion dollar problem doesn't seem like much of a fix to me. Especially when the problem is that we can't pay the $2 Trillion in the first place. If we can't come up with the cash, how is having a different plan that costs the same amount of money that we can't come up with going to solve the problem?
If anyone has any information on this, please post.
What the AARP IS is a slick marketing funnel for a host of products that might appeal to their membership base such as auto insurance, so-called health insurance, collectibles, and on and on, each offered with a 'Discount' tied to AARP Membership. Simply put, it is a marketing machine that has convinced a large group of people that they should pay for the privilege of mailboxes full of AARP approved offers - nothing more.
I signed. For me, it's a no-brainer. I'll never be a member of AARP.
Every beg letter and come-on I get from the AARP gets the following response:
"Since I support neither gun control nor socialism, I am not even remotely interested in joining the AARP. Your anti-American agenda has earned you a place on my roster of America's domestic enemies."
How can you not like a plan that isn't even formed yet? All things are on the table for discussion, but there is no plan, not yet anyway. Only proposals, and discussion.
my liberal in laws live with my hubby and I and our mailbox is crammed with AARP crap every day. I had a huge blowout with my fatherinlaw who insisted on usingAARP homeowner insurance,guess what? instead of 400.00 yearly premium they charged us 1250.00 and depleted our tax account,which gave me an almost heart attack because our mortagage co. sent us a bill and then raised our house payment. I told my father in law to get the problem resolved ASAP or else I wouldnt pay the overage on the house payment nor would I pay for his crappy AARP homeowner coverage. he's quite mad at me right now and I dont really give a D**M.
AARP is a total sham and ripoff artists.
Middle-O-Road: The current unfunded liability in Social Security is probably north of $10 trillion, so the $2 trillion "transition cost" is a very small price to pay for fixing this problem once and for all. The Democrats focus on the $2 trillion transition cost while begging "don't look at that $10 trillion problem over there... maybe it will go away! Maybe there will be a tsunami that will wipe out 20-30MM future beneficiaries and Social Security will have another 40 years of ponzi-scheme viability!" That's the Paul Krugman view of this.
Why don't you visit the Cato or Independent Women's Forum or Heritage Websites and look at some of the very good papers that have been done on Social Security. Or ask your Congressman how the city of Galveston, TX, workers are doing having opted out of Social Security many years ago? Answer: they're loving their private plan... just as Congressmen love their 401K private plan. And those plans aren't going bankrupt.
Agreed. Set a date and get rid of Social Security. Socialist programs can't be "fixed."
You're assuming that the $2 Trillion price tag won't balloon out of control once Congress gets their hands on this issue. It would turn into a pork fest. No thank you. I'd like to see some alternatives before I bite.
Also, if we can't afford the $10 Trillion, how do we afford the $2 Trillion?
As to 'fix the problem for good' - well, I've heard that one before.
My Dad had been using AARP for homeowner's insurance but he has since died. Your payment of 400 dollars for home insurance shocked me. I am having to pay forinsurance for an $129,000 house for around 950 dollars a year. Geez, wonder what my Dad would say if he could read your post!
I will discuss this with my brother in a little while.
Fine. Give me back all the money I and my employer have contributed for the past 25 years plus interest, and you can do whatever you want to Social Security.
BUMP for more signatures!!!
Actually, there is NO PROPOSAL yet. The president has said he won't come out with specifics until there's been a chance to debate the matter.
I'll be retiring in 3 years with a good pension from the state of OR. For myself, I think we should do three things now:
1) means test SS benefits for current retirees;
2) increase the retirement age;
3) start the process of privatizing SS for younger workers.
It's the only way to deal with the problem & be fair.
I'm okay with the first two suggestions. WRT the third, that's where the money comes in we've been talking about - $2 Trillion.
What if that money gets tacked on to the federal deficit? It would start costing us interest, and could, in the long run, cost us more than the shortfall itself. Yikes!
Just thought of something.
I'm not one of them, but a lot of people disagree with the means test because they contributed over the years and thus feel they should collect at retirement. It would be a really tough sell.
Probably #2 would be the easiest to pass, especially since medical improvements are making us live longer anyway.
My mom cancelled her membership. All they do is send duplicate membership forms begging for money.
I've already dropped my and my wife's memberships because of AARP's stand on gun control. It boils down to the fact that they want to disarm us older citizens, apprently because:
a. they don't think we have the mental capability to use a firearm and are afraid that we may hurt ourselves, and/or,
b. they think "sensible gun control" will cause a drop in crime. They don't bother to define "sensible".
AARP apparently doesn't read the papers: crime in the States which have Concealed Handgun License laws have lower crime that the States which have strict gun control--a perfect example is Washington, D.C.
Ask AARP about their gun control policy. Read it and weep for us Old Folks.
2) increase the retirement age
How old are you?
What part of "set a date" don't you understand? Did you think I meant "set a date" 20 years in the past? Duh.
The greedy geezers would sell their very souls to save $5 on a motel room.
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Signed it, ReleaseTheHounds:
I turned 50 in June. Been getting all kinds of propaganda and junk mail from them. Even though I tore up and tossed out my initial registration package.
I find it amusing that AARP is supposed to be one of, if not the largest lobbying group in politics. While constantly being slapped back into place for the past fifteen years by one of the smallest. The NRA.
Great. So I should settle for similar treatment, then? Or am I supposed to wait until you die, so I can make the same demand of someone else down the road? I'm going to get screwed out of several years worth of SS taxes as of right now, and if they keep raising the retirement age,my hubby will get screwed out of more money than you probably will. But that's okay, so long as you get yours?
The whole thing is unfair, and needs to be scrapped. I'm not gonna sit there and take it just because you got ripped off, too. Any solution is going to make someone unhappy, but let's get real here. You wouldn't get everything back, and neither would younger folks than you. It's no excuse to keep throwing good money after bad.
This, "SHow me the money" crowd.. will not allow the federal government to be downsized.. Don't matter, white, black, latino, women, men, poor or rich.. These people would sell their future for a government CHECK.. I be one of their generation(s) myself.. its true.. They are mostly ALL government WHORES.. and the foundation of the Washington D.C. whorehouse..
You're not alone, the plan to reform Social Security is a very bad idea.
The problem with setting a date to dissolve Social Security is that no matter what date you set, the same situation exists. People will have contributed a lot of money, and they will be told they will get nothing in return. The only way to resolve that injustice is to give them back their money. That would be prohibitively expensive, and for that reason I would not personally support it.
The evil of Social Security is that now we've got it, we can't get rid of it without causing severe pain to alot of people, including taxpayers in general who are not even in Social Security at all.
Are you under the impression that you have any legal right to the money you've contributed to Social Security? If so you're mistaken, a Supreme Court case whose name escapes me settled that years ago.
My point is that whatever the solution is, it needs to be fair to everyone, including younger workers.
I'm not as old as you think - I just started work young. I get screwed big time because I'm not scheduled to retire until well past the last of the baby boom. So assuming that I'm gouging everyone else to get mine is just plain wrong.
How is it fair to stick the post baby boom with $2 Trillion in (intrest compounding) debt?
I'll answer you because I've been through this process before.
When I started paying into social security, they talked about the baby boomers but nothing had been done. Eventually they came up with the fix to end all fixes and raised the retirment age. Everyone screamed, pols got booted out of office, but it stuck because it was the fix to end all fixes.
Now here we are again, looking for a fix.
Why would I support the fix that didn't work last time rather than the current proposal? Because I personally feel the alternative will cost us more and give us less in return, and deep down inside based on what I've seen I think someone is crooked and trying to screw us. They need a better proposal before I'll support it.
The legal right I have to the money is the right I have to vote.
If they take my money, I vote 'em out. End of story.
Your mileage may vary.
Fair enough. I apologize for assuming you were older. :)
Point of fact, I don't think it's fair to stick them with the bill, either, but the fact remains that it's unfair to stick US with it, too, on that basis. They have an opportunity here to fix things that their parents didn't take...or didn't see coming, anyway.
It's going to be very difficult to work this out. I think the best that we can hope for is to have everyone a little ticked off than either A)punt the ball downfield or B)stick it to one group in particular. Slowly phasing out SS in it's current form and bringing in some kind of federal 401K is probably the best way to go. I'm no expert, so I don't know how exactly to accomplish it, but I'm sure there is a way.
What I'm hoping for is that someone will come up with a better idea. It may be a vain hope, but ...
The current system will go into the red (according to current predictions) by 2018. We can either come up with a lower-cost solution now (like what is currently being discussed, and which has worked in Great Britain, Chile, and other places) or we can begin raising taxes on everybody to pay out the promised benefits, or some portion thereof.
Where is the crook? Who is crooked? Who is trying to screw "us" and what are they trying to gain?
Any person living a normal life span will withdraw many times more than he contributes. That's not a retirement plan, it's wealth transfer.
The only REAL fix is privitization or drastic payment cuts coupled with means testing. Anything else is delaying the day of reckoning, something we've done too many times in the past.
This one was easy. Signed the petition with no hesitation.
But IS it a real fix?
What happens when Gen-X happy retiree opens up his account and he doesn't have anything in it because the fool lost it all in the stock market?
What happens to the stock market when everyone pulls their cash to fund their happy years in a camper?
What happens to that $2 Trillion interest compounding debt that the pols are pushing hard to sling around our necks? In the long run, is that really going to be cheaper than the $10 Trillion shortfall? I need to see how it will be paid for before I can decide yes or no on that question. If the fix costs more than the problem, then it's really no fix at all, now is it?
Considering the fact that there is massive unrest in Europe on pension reforms, I wouldn't use them as an example. I have no wish to repeat that scenario here.
Thanks, Jack... I'm a few years ahead of you, but I've been trashing AARP stuff for years. It's time they be taken on just like Moore and Soros. It's time to reform these government Ponzi schemes!
No Freepmail - it must have gone awry.
I'm 42. I retire in another 25 years, assuming they don't raise the age and I retire as soon as I'm eligible.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the last of the baby boomers peter out born circa 1950s.
So, I get to pay for them all before I retire. Happy day.
My Grandfather used to get a pension from the auto factory he worked in, he had 10-15 apartments he rented out, and bought a new Cadillac every 2-3 years. He used think that the world owed him that money from SS.
My bad. It was to freeper twotone. Very busy today and many beers.