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High Court Rules Dog Sniff During Traffic Stop OK Without Suspicion Of Drugs
Associated Press ^ | 1/24/2005

Posted on 01/24/2005 9:20:02 AM PST by Lazamataz

The Supreme Court gave police broader search powers Monday during traffic stops, ruling that drug-sniffing dogs can be used to check out motorists even if officers have no reason to suspect they may be carrying narcotics.

In a 6-2 decision, the court sided with Illinois police who stopped Roy Caballes in 1998 along Interstate 80 for driving 6 miles over the speed limit. Although Caballes lawfully produced his driver's license, troopers brought over a drug dog after Caballes seemed nervous.

Caballes argued the Fourth Amendment protects motorists from searches such as dog sniffing, but Justice John Paul Stevens disagreed, reasoning that the privacy intrusion was minimal.

"The dog sniff was performed on the exterior of respondent's car while he was lawfully seized for a traffic violation. Any intrusion on respondent's privacy expectations does not rise to the level of a constitutionally cognizable infringement," Stevens wrote.

In a dissent, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg bemoaned what she called the broadening of police search powers, saying the use of drug dogs will make routine traffic stops more "adversarial." She was joined in her dissent in part by Justice David H. Souter.

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To: blueknight

BTW, I don't count NC as 'the South' in this regard. It's kinda Northern-y in it's approach to everything except guns.


401 posted on 01/24/2005 1:10:32 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: HamiltonJay
"someone smells wrotting flesh from your trunk"

A strong and identifiable odor coming from the vehicle is a far cry from being in equipment, biological or otherwise, to scan the vehicle. What's next? A portable self-inflating x-ray machine you have to drive your car through whenever you're pulled over at a traffic stop to make sure there are no guns in the car? Perhaps some heavy duty infrared scanning gear to search the car without laying a hand on it?

Either the officers are restricted to 'plain view' for their safety or they're allowed to scan the car using things which detect things humans cannot detect in order to find reasons to lock you up. There ain't no third direction.
402 posted on 01/24/2005 1:12:05 PM PST by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: Dead Corpse; John Lenin

Now available on 8-Track!

I like the Beatles. I don't think much of jerks that pose (or feel they must use someone else's fame, to be heard!!!)!

Have a toke for me!

403 posted on 01/24/2005 1:13:20 PM PST by pageonetoo (I could name them, but you'll spot their posts soon enough.)
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To: rushfreedom
"Yes the ACLU was helping to defend the druggie - Roy Caballes. I hope everyone that disagrees with this ruling knows they are agreeing with the ACLU. The defenders of Druggies."

And see, that's the great thing about the United States of America - everyone has rights and there's always someone there to provide a rigorous defense of them.
404 posted on 01/24/2005 1:14:03 PM PST by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: Lazamataz

No need to explain, we have our own share of "rude cop" episodes. My experience has been that cops usually do the right thing, they just sometimes don't do it in the right or polite way. We are constantly working on our officer's "bedside manner."


405 posted on 01/24/2005 1:15:31 PM PST by blueknight
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To: E Rocc
The cops can say you "acted nervous" (who doesn't, when getting pulled over??) and bring in the dog.

Now they can pull you over for "swerving in your lane" (aka, not driving in a perfect straight line) and search you for "acting suspicious".

Basically, they can pull you over and send in the dogs for a search with no cause whatsoever.

Today's tyranny minute has been brought to you by the U.S. Supreme Court. Nice work, folks.

406 posted on 01/24/2005 1:15:50 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (NFC Champions!)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
"What about insurance checkpoints? There have been some checkpoints set up to see if the drivers are properly insured."

File it under: Searching for reasons to lock people up and/or get more cash out of the pockets of citizens and into the pocketbook of government
407 posted on 01/24/2005 1:15:52 PM PST by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: NJ_gent

Sorry fella, you have no expectation of privacy to the AIR around your car. Whether it be a dog, or odor sensing device... Odors eminating from a vehicle, no MATTER HOW STRONG OR WEAK are not owned by the owner of the vehicle nor can any expectation of privacy related to them be expected.

XRAY required the GENERATION of XRAYS to detect them... or an exterior act... sniffing the air, whether by human, or dog, or electronic device does not.

Court made the right call.


408 posted on 01/24/2005 1:16:24 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: blueknight
No need to explain, we have our own share of "rude cop" episodes. My experience has been that cops usually do the right thing, they just sometimes don't do it in the right or polite way. We are constantly working on our officer's "bedside manner."

Good.

Couldjya come down to Georgia, fire every officer, and start from scratch maybe?

I'm glad you are aware of the problem and even more glad you are actively trying to do something about it. Are you a CPT, LT, or the like?

409 posted on 01/24/2005 1:18:09 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz

I'm sure the fact the IL Attorney General (Lisa Madigan)was completely unqualified to argue a case in front of the Supreme Court had nothing to do with the outcome. Had the AG done the right thing and let an experienced trial lawyer argue the case, the ruling may have gone another way. Her daddy (Mike Madigan, speaker of the house) even cancelled a session of the legislature so he could watch her in action. Yet another example of how corrupt Dems are ruining everyone's life.


410 posted on 01/24/2005 1:18:26 PM PST by 2red4Chicago
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To: Lazamataz

Lieutenant


411 posted on 01/24/2005 1:19:39 PM PST by blueknight
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To: m1-lightning
"Since when are roadblocks considered a guilty sentence?"

I'll answer that if you can answer this question for me:

Why does the Constitution read: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."?

In other words, why is a warrant required before the police can search your home, place of business, etc?
412 posted on 01/24/2005 1:20:16 PM PST by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: Lazamataz
NC is in the South. Believe me, it is as retro as you will likely find...

Unfortunately, we have carpetbaggers, and South Carolina lawyers that like to play Senator! It was always Dimocrat, and will be for a long time... I was born there, have a home there, don't stay there long!

Now, WV is where I spend most of my time, except when on the road in my RV, or cruzin on one of Celebrity's boats!

413 posted on 01/24/2005 1:22:08 PM PST by pageonetoo (I could name them, but you'll spot their posts soon enough.)
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To: blueknight

Outstanding. You actually will have some clout in making the necessary changes.

Between your reasonable demeanor on this thread, your basic understanding of the rights of citizens and the desires Americans have to be free, and now your immediate concession that Southern cops have -- by and large -- some 'issues', you have absolutely earned the respect of this particular citizen.


414 posted on 01/24/2005 1:22:20 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: antiRepublicrat
"this can be done relatively cheap, and without having to get a security clearance to work with TEMPEST."

I'm thinking that the security clearance will slowly give way over the next five to ten years such that the FBI will have access to it - assuming this hasn't already been done. It's fairly common knowledge that the FBI does NSA's domestic dirty work because the NSA's charter doesn't technically allow it to operate domestically.
415 posted on 01/24/2005 1:22:33 PM PST by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: pageonetoo; blueknight
NC is in the South. Believe me, it is as retro as you will likely find...

Well, I was tryin' to give blueknight a chance to save face, when I checked his location after posting the Southern cop riff. He seemed like a nice guy and I wanted to give him some wiggle room.

Turns out he's more interested in honesty than saving face. He stepped right up and admitted the problem.

Now THAT'S a FREEPER, baby.

416 posted on 01/24/2005 1:24:18 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: skr
If a two-legged law officer's nose detects marijuana, is that counted as probable cause to search a car?

Question: If a two legged officer's nose can detect marijuana, why use dogs?

417 posted on 01/24/2005 1:24:57 PM PST by Huck (I only type LOL when I'm really LOL.)
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To: Bigs from the North; All
This is a minor inconvenience to the average drive and a problem for the criminal... and whats wrong with causing criminals problems?

As one who drives 10+ different cars per week back and forth between service shops, dealerships, auctions, etc., and not knowing who the car belonged to (trade ins) I have a real problem with whatever "inconvenience" this could get me into.

We had a call from the NC State Police not to long ago asking us to provide our ownership history of a car we had sold over a year ago. Turns out this car had previously belonged to a small time drug dealer who was doing time on drug charges - he hid some drugs in the headliner of the car, had a friend sell it, we somehow ended up with it as one of the trade ins we buy and then we sold it at the auction (and I drove this car around as my demo for about three weeks - with my kids!). . .as it turns out, there was enough heroin in that car that could have gotten me 10 to 15 or $10-15K in attorney fees defending my innocence if on a traffic stop a dog came and sniffed. NC State Trooper explained this is a common way for perps to save a stash for when they get out of jail - they locate the vehicle via DMV records, break into it, get their stuff and go on their merry way.

418 posted on 01/24/2005 1:25:55 PM PST by Dasaji (Are the voices in my head bothering you?)
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To: Lazamataz
NC is "northerny"???

Damn, son, you ain't from around here, are you?

Oh wait, you must be thinking of the Raleigh area where all the liberals live, not the rest of the state.

419 posted on 01/24/2005 1:30:41 PM PST by snopercod ( We as the people no longer truly believe in liberty, not as Americans did -- Dayfdd ab Hugh)
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To: Lazamataz

Okay, but I wouldn't restrict any "problems" to just southern cops. I recently attended the FBI National Academy with supervisors from all 50 states ( and 25 foreign countries)and I did not feel inferior to any other region.



420 posted on 01/24/2005 1:31:51 PM PST by blueknight
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To: snopercod
Oh wait, you must be thinking of the Raleigh area where all the liberals live, not the rest of the state.

That's the only place I've been in NC.

421 posted on 01/24/2005 1:34:42 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: blueknight
Okay, but I wouldn't restrict any "problems" to just southern cops.

Well, I noticed the difference. Up in New York (upstate) the cops were friendly and non-aggressive as can be. I'd have no problem having them around.

Then I came to the South. What a difference! Like angry hornets waiting to sting!

I asked a few Southerners, and they all confirmed my opinion... but the problem is probably all over....

422 posted on 01/24/2005 1:37:19 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: blueknight
Okay, but I wouldn't restrict any "problems" to just southern cops.

Well, I noticed the difference. Up in New York (upstate) the cops were friendly and non-aggressive as can be. I'd have no problem having them around.

Then I came to the South. What a difference! Like angry hornets waiting to sting!

I asked a few Southerners, and they all confirmed my opinion... but the problem is probably all over....

423 posted on 01/24/2005 1:37:59 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz

Doh!


424 posted on 01/24/2005 1:39:17 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Lazamataz
That's like judging California by only going to San Francisco or LA.

NC is a big state, mostly rural (like California). Out West here, it's definitely Southern and definitely conservative.

But also like California, the rural folks always get outvoted by the city folks in Raleigh.

425 posted on 01/24/2005 1:40:20 PM PST by snopercod ( We as the people no longer truly believe in liberty, not as Americans did -- Dayfdd ab Hugh)
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To: Lazamataz
Now THAT'S a FREEPER, baby.

My oldest son is a townie in OK. He enjoys the adrenalin when he makes the drug busts... I don't know where I went wrong... ;(

My #2 son is a high school music teacher, and never got high in his life. But, he smokes cigarettes, has asthma, and plays a great trumpet!

I'll not state what I smoke... but... I do go through a lot of these...!

426 posted on 01/24/2005 1:42:52 PM PST by pageonetoo (I could name them, but you'll spot their posts soon enough.)
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To: snopercod
That's like judging California by only going to San Francisco or LA.

I did that too.

427 posted on 01/24/2005 1:43:21 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
That's the only place I've been in NC...

That 'splains it!

428 posted on 01/24/2005 1:48:45 PM PST by pageonetoo (I could name them, but you'll spot their posts soon enough.)
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To: pageonetoo; John Lenin
"I don't think much of jerks that pose (or feel they must use someone else's fame, to be heard!!!)!

So you think that John Lenin is being a jerk by using the fame of the Beatles?

John Lenin, I set up the shot -- you go right ahead and spike it over the net.

429 posted on 01/24/2005 1:53:36 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Lazamataz
Up in New York (upstate) the cops were friendly and non-aggressive as can be.

I love Rochester city cops... like the time my band smoked a joint on the side of a parking garage downtown and walked around the corner to 4 cops standing there laughing at us (whoops! good sense of humor, though, officers!) Or the time I was dead broke and let my car insurance lapse, which caused my NYS DMV registration to get revoked, and I got pulled over for a burned out headlight on the way back from a party. Good thing it was in a bad neighborhood, the cop says "son, you want to tell me why you have no insurance?" When I explained I was dead broke and that was also the reason they suspended my registration he says "well, just get the hell out of here and fix up your problems".

Sometimes I like living in a high-crime city. LOL!

430 posted on 01/24/2005 1:53:55 PM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
I see your point, but I have more of an issue with the search itself. What you have is a situation where you're using something (a dog in this case) which detects things out of the range of what can possibly be considered 'plain view'. The 'plain view' search that allows a cop to see the gun sitting on the dashboard and use its illegality against the suspect exists for the protection of the officer. That carries over for seeing a bag of pot on the dashboard as well. The human officer can see both and can distinguish both from legal items. What follows from that is the 'plain view' search using senses other than sight. If the cop hears someone screaming 'help' from inside the trunk or smells rotting flesh, then those things can also be said to be in 'plain view', and he can also distinguish those things from legal sounds and smells.

The problem with using a dog is that you've exited that box of human 'plain view' searches and entered a world where any probe, scan, or other means of detection can be used to locate anything illegal within the vehicle. If the guy has a gun hidden under the seat, but the officer doesn't know about the gun and has no good reason to search the entire vehicle, then the gun is likely not admissible in court against the person if the cop just decides to tear through the car anyway. However, if we set up a nifty new portable x-ray machine and scan the entire car, we've conducted what is, in essence, a full search of the vehicle without the consent of the owner/operator. Anything found by these extraordinary 'plain view' searches should never, in my opinion, be usable in court. You either keep 'plain view' as the standard, or you may as well just say that police can rip the car apart on a whim. There ain't no third direction.
431 posted on 01/24/2005 1:55:15 PM PST by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: t_skoz

t, does your tagline mean that you are a MC5 fan? (kick out the jams)


432 posted on 01/24/2005 1:57:45 PM PST by blueknight
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To: ellery

"But aren't the two rulings inconsistent? I.e., don't you release a heat signature into public air, just as you do a scent? If so, why is a sniff okay but a thermal image not okay?"

I think the difference is that the thermal imaging cases involved looking into homes and courts have ruled that people have a greater expectation of privacy in their homes than in their vehicles. Also, these thermal imaging devices can actually see the thermal images of people in the homes, doing whatever people might be doing in their homes that they might not want others watching them do. It is a greater invasion of privacy.


433 posted on 01/24/2005 1:59:04 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: t_skoz
Rochester cops are great. They care about REAL crimes. They are tough on CRIMINALS, not on procedural violators, or mistake-makers.

In the collar communities of Chicago, the cops can be pretty cool, too. I was pulled over one time in Naperville, found out I had a procedural license suspension (an unpaid NY state ticket), and the cop said, "Clear it up. I'll check next time I see you around."

In Atlanta, I would have been dragged from my car, swallowed some pavement, been booked and thrown in jail, and my car would have been impounded.

434 posted on 01/24/2005 2:01:52 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: TKDietz

On the contrary, thermal imagers merely read the temperature of the outside surface of a house. Both wood and glass are opaque to far IR. The reason for the ruling was not that cops could see people doing things inside their houses, but rather that the specialized technology crossed the line too far beyond the "plain sight" arguments offered by the cops. (Presumably when everyone has thermal imagers in their cell phones, this reason will vanish. It has already vanished for radar speed guns, the practice of using a formerly classified military technology to enhance revenue at the municipal level.)


435 posted on 01/24/2005 2:06:37 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: blueknight

436 posted on 01/24/2005 2:08:09 PM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: John Lenin
"If you are not a butthead you usually doen't get busted for petty drug use, they pick out idiots and rightly so."

Who is an "idiot" is a subjective question. The idiots that are more likely to get busted are often "idiots" simply because they are minorities and/or poor people and/or people who have different hairdo's or different clothes. If you live in places like where I live I guess you are an idiot if you happen be driving on the interstate with a rental car or a vehicle with Arizona, New Mexico, or California tags, because any of those things makes you much more likely to be pulled over and searched. I suppose if you are not in the "idiot" class, everything is fine. You might have a different opinion if the law for some reason decided you were one of those in the "idiot" class.
437 posted on 01/24/2005 2:08:37 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz

Incidentally, submillimeter wave radars see through wood, clothing and drywall ... those things aren't thermal imagers. And SCOTUS hasn't ruled on their use, either.

From the present ruling, I'd expect the court to be all for SMMW radar, so long as the suspect was actually guilty - and therefore have standing to appear before SCOTUS in the first place.


438 posted on 01/24/2005 2:10:37 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: t_skoz



Around 1970 my best friend and I prided ourselves on being probably the only MC5 fans in Daytona Beach, FL. We somehow got ahold of their live album and played it over and over. They were probably ahead of their time.


439 posted on 01/24/2005 2:12:29 PM PST by blueknight
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To: E Rocc; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

I suspect the "drug smell on money" thing is a scam. Money has its own smell, and if you taught a dog to sniff that, then if you have money the dog sniffs it and that is probable cause for a fullblown dope search.

Otherwise, bring the dog into a bank and have the cops remove all the contaminated money, then search the bank for contraband.


440 posted on 01/24/2005 2:12:38 PM PST by Ender Wiggin
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To: E Rocc
Sheeesh....they basically just vacated the right to decline when they "ask" if they can search your car. The cops can say you "acted nervous" (who doesn't, when getting pulled over??) and bring in the dog. Dishonest ones can toss a roach in the car...

Exactly right - What a terrible decision - My Father always warned about having too many judges appointed by Republicans on the High Court - He did so solely because of privacy rights and how they would be done away with simply for the power of police -

Daily we are losing our freedoms. We simply are.

441 posted on 01/24/2005 2:13:17 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: blueknight

THE AMERICAN RUSE
( Words & music by MC5 )

They told you in school about freedom
But when you try to be free they never let ya
They said "it's easy , nothing to it"
And now the army's out to get ya
Sixty nine America in terminal stasis
The air's so thick it's like drowning in molasses
I'm sick and tired of paying these dues
And i'm finally getting hip to the American ruse

I learned to say the pledge of allegiance
Before they beat me bloody down at the station
They haven't got a word out of me since
I got a billion years probation


Sixty nine America in terminal stasis
The air's so thick it's like drowning in molasses
I'm sick and tired of paying these dues
And i'm sick to my guts of the American ruse
Phony stars, oh no! crummy cars, oh no!
Cheap guitars, oh no! Joe's primitive bar... nah!

Rock'em back, Sonic !
The way they pull you over it's suspicious
Yeah, for something that just ain't your fault
If you complain they're gonna get vicious
Kick in the teeth and charge you with assault
Yeah, but i can see the chickens coming home to roost
Young people everywhere are gonna cook their goose
Lots of kids are working to get rid of these blues
cause everybody's sick of the American ruse

Well well well , take a look around !
Well well well , take a look around !
Well well well , take a look around !
Well well well , take a look around !
Well well well , take a look around !


442 posted on 01/24/2005 2:14:02 PM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: bigLusr
"My point was that the dog sniff itself was not an invasion of privacy."

Then neither would running an x-ray machine over the car or running an infrared scan on the car or doing other such tests which don't physically impact the vehicle. Either we keep it to what a human officer can detect in 'plain view' or we open the floodgates to using things like NSA's TEMPEST to really shoot personal privacy to hell.

"But the cops had probable cause.... the dog barked."

Remind me to take my dog's "Puperoni" treats out of my trunk before driving home. Wouldn't want to send the wrong message.

"The opinion specifically noted that the sniff itself didn't inconvenience Caballes in any way"

It doesn't inconvenience you in any way if I put a tap on your phone and read your email either. So long as I don't disrupt your telephone service or your email, everything's a-ok, right? Inconvenience isn't the reason we don't allow blanket searches. We don't require warrants because it's 'inconvenient' to have a dozen cops rifling through your stuff. We require warrants because it's wrong for the state to invade the privacy of citizens without just cause and due process. Using devices or animals which perceive beyond 'plain view' violates the reasoning behind 'plain view's' reason for being. If you can search everything, then search everything. It's either plain view or it's everything.

"The fourth amendment protects a person's effects except when the state has probable cause to search or seize them."

The protection of privacy extends beyond seizure to cover the search itself. A 'plain view' search is really a misnomer. Things have to be readily apparent to be caught in such a "search", whereas a true search involves seeking out something. When a drug dog was brought over and used to search the vehicle using its extraordinary abilities (a sense of smell many times more powerful than that of a human), a search was conducted without probable cause. The only 'cause' mentioned was that the suspect appeared to be acting 'nervous' - whatever that means.

The Soviets had the same protections for all their citizens in their constitution that we have in our's. Ask yourself why it is that the average Soviet lived so differently from the average American when they had the same rights guaranteed in supreme law.
443 posted on 01/24/2005 2:14:08 PM PST by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: blueknight
Probably ahead of their time? CERTAINLY ahead of their time. There never has never been a band like the MC5. What the world needs now is a radical libertarian version of the MC5 (gimme a couple of years, I'm workin on it...)

A friend of mine is a really big conservative, his parents are really big conservatives but were LSD and pot hazed hippies in Ann Arbor in the 60s... his mom is a riot... he called me from his parents' house on Christmas and I screamed KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHERF*$#ERS as loud as I could so his mom could hear me... I could hear her laughing in the background, she used to be the biggest MC5 fan!

444 posted on 01/24/2005 2:18:30 PM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: Wheee The People

Dog wants to know whether you went whiz or bang.


445 posted on 01/24/2005 2:19:12 PM PST by Kay
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To: TKDietz

After watching 3 friends and one cousin die from drugs and having another family member on disability from them I think I have a right to tell you fools that you are playing with poison.


446 posted on 01/24/2005 2:19:25 PM PST by John Lenin (You have to be a lunatic yourself to appeal to the RAT base)
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To: robertpaulsen

Or, the Illinois State troopers were lying. Is that what you're alluding to?



What? Cops lying to avoid a "technicality", and thus to secure a conviction of a truly guilty person? Heaven forfend! That would NEVER happen!


447 posted on 01/24/2005 2:19:44 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: HamiltonJay
"Sorry fella, you have no expectation of privacy to the AIR around your car. Whether it be a dog, or odor sensing device... Odors eminating from a vehicle, no MATTER HOW STRONG OR WEAK are not owned by the owner of the vehicle nor can any expectation of privacy related to them be expected."

And the NSA can read what's on your computer screen without being inside your house using the electromagnetic interference patterns generated by your monitor. (See: TEMPEST) Now, does the NSA/CIA/FBI/local police have the right to park outside your house and use infrared scanning equipment to watch your every move, CIA laser technology to monitor everything that's said inside your home, and TEMPEST technology to record everything you do with your television or computer?

Don't answer with what they would or wouldn't do - the question is do they have the right to do those things?
448 posted on 01/24/2005 2:19:51 PM PST by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: Lazamataz
Seriously. You don't have anything to hide, do you? Freepmail me your address. We're going to search.

Perhaps if you can tell me what connection you have with law enforcment, I'll consider cooperating.

449 posted on 01/24/2005 2:21:24 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Lazamataz

Great decision, the druggies at DU will be distressed ...


450 posted on 01/24/2005 2:23:05 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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