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Homeland Security Agents Force Plane to Land in San Antonio
WOAI ^ | 1/24/2005 | ElephantinTexas

Posted on 01/24/2005 10:12:18 PM PST by ElephantinTexas

This is my first post so I hope I got it right.

This is breaking here in San Anonio. A single engine plane has been forced down at Stenson Field south of San Antonio. Homeland Security, DPS and SAPD are on the scene. They are waiting for a Chinese tranlator but they have Chinese illegals in custody and said that the pilot was someone Homeland Security has been looking for.

I'll post more as it comes available.


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To: ElephantinTexas

Thanks for the info, Elephant. I'm "here", too.


51 posted on 01/25/2005 12:02:05 AM PST by Mockingbird For Short ("An irreligious fanatic is just as dangerous as a religious fanatic.")
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To: bayourod
"If we had a 40,000 foot high fence across the border they couldn't have gotten over it."

Altitude, above 29,000 feet.

The E-3 Sentry is a modified Boeing 707/320 commercial airframe with a rotating radar dome. The dome is 30 feet (9.1 meters) in diameter, six feet (1.8 meters) thick, and is held 11 feet (3.33 meters) above the fuselage by two struts. It contains a radar subsystem that permits surveillance from the Earth's surface up into the stratosphere, over land or water. The radar has a range of more than 250 miles (375.5 kilometers) for low-flying targets and farther for aerospace vehicles flying at medium to high altitudes. The radar combined with an identification friend or foe subsystem can look down to detect, identify and track enemy and friendly low-flying aircraft by eliminating ground clutter returns that confuse other radar systems.

U.S.Air Force

52 posted on 01/25/2005 12:11:33 AM PST by Daaave ( I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Ooooh! That's right - I'd forgotten about the group of Chinese still wandering around.


53 posted on 01/25/2005 12:25:11 AM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Boston!


54 posted on 01/25/2005 12:25:47 AM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: Smogger

I would have liked to have seen that - I wish they had put it on the networks instead of HBO.


55 posted on 01/25/2005 12:30:02 AM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: FreedomCalls

What ever happened to Wing Tip Shoe?


56 posted on 01/25/2005 12:35:40 AM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: dixiechick2000

Here's some more info from KENS 5 TV and The San Antonio Express-News. You have to register to their site for the page and I'll post the link if you want me to. It's at www.mysa.com but here's the entire text.

Five on small plane detained at Stinson
Web Posted: 01/25/2005 12:00 AM CST
Vincent T. Davis
San Antonio Express-News
Four immigrants and a pilot were detained after a Homeland Security Department division helped surround their plane at Stinson Municipal Airport on Monday night.
The five are being investigated in connection with a smuggling operation involving Chinese nationals, said Capt. Jeff Humphrey, San Antonio police special operations commander.
The five had been flying in a single-engine Cessna 172P south of San Antonio.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement requested help from the San Antonio Police Department, which provided a Chinese linguist to translate for the two male and two female passengers.
According to the Federal Aviation Administration, the plane is co-owned by Afzal Hameed of Dover, Del., and Alyce S. Taylor.


57 posted on 01/25/2005 12:41:32 AM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: daybreakcoming

Here's the link to the text in #57. I only have a stoopid webtv and I can only do .3 things at a time. lol.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/crime/stories/MYSA012505.2B.plane.403f29ae.html


58 posted on 01/25/2005 12:52:20 AM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: ElephantinTexas

Excellent first post EinTX. Welcome to FR.
Lot's of great Texas Freepers on this board.
I'm near Kerrville...


59 posted on 01/25/2005 12:53:06 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Grateful Heart Tour 2005)
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To: ElephantinTexas

BIG BUMP


60 posted on 01/25/2005 12:57:57 AM PST by AnimalLover ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?))
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To: ElephantinTexas
Here's the plane's registration info:

AFZAL HAMEED
Co-Owned
30 OLD RUDNICK LN
DOVER, DE 19901 US
(Kent County)
1985
17276369
N98873
LYCOMING/0-320 SERIES
180 HorsePower

Fixed Wing Single Engine Info Manufacturer CESSNA
Model 172P
Code 2072436
Number of Seats 4
Number of Engines 1
Number FAA Registered 1,621

Does the 4 seats include the pilot seat, or was the plane a wee bit cramped? And was Afzal flying?
61 posted on 01/25/2005 12:59:12 AM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: ElephantinTexas
According to this site, Mr. Hameed and the co-owner of the plane, Ms. Taylor were married in Atascosa County, Texas (South of San Antonio) on October 13, 1980. He was 23 in 1980; She was 45. So he's now 48 and she's 70.

Doesn't fit the typical profile for terrorist smugglers, but who knows?
62 posted on 01/25/2005 1:07:31 AM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

The live report here in San Antonio reported that Afzel (or some other VERY arabic sounding name) was not only the pilot but had been wanted by Homeland Security but I didn't want to try and quote his name and get it wrong from hearing it on the tv.


63 posted on 01/25/2005 1:09:25 AM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: ElephantinTexas

Was the plane forced down? If so, how?


64 posted on 01/25/2005 1:19:53 AM PST by twntaipan ("A news organizationís credibility is all it has to sell, and at CBS, the shelves are empty.")
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To: twntaipan

This is all they are saying at the time time. The rest is sketchy. The local news will be back on at 5am (CST) so we'll know more then. This is the update.

Homeland Security Agents Force Plane to Land in S.A.
LAST UPDATE: 1/24/2005 10:27:55 PM
Posted By: Walker Robinson
Five suspected illegal immigrants were being questioned Monday night at Stinson Airfield shortly after their plane was forced down by federal agents.
San Antonio Police surrounded the airport close to 9 p.m. Monday after receiving a call for help from the Department of Homeland Security, officials said.
The single-engine Cessna plane was intercepted after officials said it was flying in American airspace illegally. The people on the plane appear to be Chinese.
No word on where the plane left from or its destination.
For the latest on this developing story, watch News 4 WOAI and tune into NewsRadio 1200 WOAI.


65 posted on 01/25/2005 1:30:21 AM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: conservative in nyc
4+1 in a Cess 172P is a wee bit cramped. Thats one more body than the plane is rated for.

The Cessna 172P SkyHawk II, was one of the last variant produced before Cessna suspended its engine production line in 1985. The 172P is equipped with a 160HP Lycomine O-320 carbureted engine unlike its successor the C172R. Although an older aircraft the 172P can, in most respects, match the performance of the C172R. The 172P also boasts a slightly higher useful load capacity than the C172R.
66 posted on 01/25/2005 1:43:34 AM PST by Khurkris (That sound you hear coming from over the horizon...thats me laughing.)
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To: ElephantinTexas
Thanks, and welcome to Free Republic! Initial reports are sometimes wrong, so I'm always cautious and take a wait-and-verify approach.

Three things:

1) No way Afzal Hameed actually lives in Dover, Delaware. The 30 Old Rudnick Lane address is likely a mail forwarding service of a Delaware professional services firm. A Google search brings up tons of corporations "headquartered" at that address.

2) An Alyce Stuart Taylor from San Antonio is a flight instructor, according to the landings.com database:

Name : TAYLOR, ALYCE STUART
Airman's Address : 6822 LAGUNA VERDE
SAN ANTONIO, TX, 78239-3628
FAA Region : Southwest
Airman Certificates : Flight Instructor (exp: 31-May-2005)
Airplane Single Engine
Instrument Airplane

It may or may not be THE Alyce S. Taylor referred to in the article. And initial reports are sketchy, so we don't know if she was involved.

3) There's no record of an Afzal Hameed having his pilot's license on that website, although I have no clue how complete their records would be.
67 posted on 01/25/2005 1:56:11 AM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc; Calpernia; Velveeta; Revel; lacylu

Good work finding the info on the plane.


68 posted on 01/25/2005 2:13:33 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: ElephantinTexas

Welcome to Free Republic.

Good work on posting this for us, to read.

Thanks.


69 posted on 01/25/2005 2:15:25 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: ElephantinTexas
More: Afzal Hameed is President of Alpha Tango Flying Services, Inc. at Stinson Airport. Alyce S. Taylor is co-owner and instructor.

According to a September 23, 2001 Washington Post article, Alpha Tango was one of the 4 flight schools that trained Abdul Hakim Murad. Murad was convicted of masterminding the mid-1990s plot to fly 12 planes into the Pacific and 1 into CIA headquarters.

The article also states:

After the Sept. 11 attack, Afzal contacted the FBI about names on a published list of suspects, believing some of the hijackers might also have taken instruction at Alpha Tango, according to a report in the San Antonio Express-News.

Sounds like the FBI knows who this guy is and where to find him.
70 posted on 01/25/2005 2:25:45 AM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

Wow, just wow....Wonder if UBL is in China?


71 posted on 01/25/2005 2:28:39 AM PST by craig_eddy
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To: ElephantinTexas; Fiddlstix; Flyer; Squantos; Clinger; GeronL; Billie; Slyfox; San Jacinto; ...
Thanks for the post/info.

I see there are updates posted here, too. Heads up, Texans.

Homeland Security Agents Force
Plane to Land in San Antonio

Excerpt:

This is breaking here in San Anonio. A single engine plane has been forced down at Stenson Field south of San Antonio. Homeland Security, DPS and SAPD are on the scene. They are waiting for a Chinese tranlator but they have Chinese illegals in custody and said that the pilot was someone Homeland Security has been looking for.


Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Texas ping list!. . .don't be shy.
No, you don't HAVE to be a Texan to get on this list!


72 posted on 01/25/2005 2:32:07 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Dog; kcvl; hchutch; Howlin

Look at this! Please read the entire thread...connection between the illegal Chinese and an Arab connected with 9/11!


73 posted on 01/25/2005 2:50:03 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple

All that the local news is saying this morning is....
All five that were in the plane at 10pm last night are still being detained and are being questioned.

They are four illegal "Asians", two men and two women plus the pilot. Every other question got.. "No comment".


74 posted on 01/25/2005 3:14:32 AM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: ElephantinTexas
Thanks for the additional information, and thank you so much for this post! It is WAY more important than my first post! Outstanding effort, Elephant!

I will be gone part of today, but will try to catch up with this later. Welcome to FR!

75 posted on 01/25/2005 3:35:06 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: ElephantinTexas

Bump to Homeland Security!!!!!


76 posted on 01/25/2005 3:39:20 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: conservative in nyc

KSAT 12 here in San Antonio is reporting that the pilot is Hameed Afkal, 48yo of SYRIAN decent and has a San Antonio address and owns the Alpha Flight school but his office is now at the San Antonio Airport Campus. I'll try and get that address, I missed it on the tv report. I have three of them going right now. lol.

Also..... here's the story from Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145320,00.html


77 posted on 01/25/2005 3:45:51 AM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: ElephantinTexas

BTTT and welcome to FR. I am to be in San Antonio next week.


78 posted on 01/25/2005 3:53:35 AM PST by prairiebreeze (George W Bush: Spending well-earned political capital.)
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To: ElephantinTexas

From your FoxNews link:

Capt. Jeff Humphrey, San Antonio police special operations commander, told the San Antonio Express-News in Tuesday's editions that the five suspects were under investigation in connection with a smuggling operation involving Chinese nationals.


79 posted on 01/25/2005 3:57:03 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggiefluffs

bump


80 posted on 01/25/2005 3:57:58 AM PST by GOP_Proud (Those who proclaim tolerance have the least for my views.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Thanks for the ping.


81 posted on 01/25/2005 3:59:42 AM PST by GOPJ (Journalistic integrity = Oxymoron)
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To: piasa

On a good night I can get WOAI way up here in SD, just turned on radio and it is crystal clear as we speak. Just in time for the news about clothes, police, and prostitution thing.


82 posted on 01/25/2005 4:07:34 AM PST by wita
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To: ElephantinTexas

"They are four illegal "Asians", two men and two women"

I wonder if it's the same two men and two women Asians that were being sought in Boston.


83 posted on 01/25/2005 4:15:25 AM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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To: Miss Marple; Angelus Errare; Coop; hchutch; Cap Huff; Boot Hill
According to a September 23, 2001 Washington Post article, Alpha Tango was one of the 4 flight schools that trained Abdul Hakim Murad. Murad was convicted of masterminding the mid-1990s plot to fly 12 planes into the Pacific and 1 into CIA headquarters.

A connection to Operation Bojinka...

84 posted on 01/25/2005 4:15:51 AM PST by Dog
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To: ElephantinTexas

I guess putting SAMs on the border is out of the question?


85 posted on 01/25/2005 4:16:05 AM PST by God bless Texas (I don't care how much you know until I know how much you care.)
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To: wita

LOL! Keep listening! Here's an interesting note from WOAI TV.
The plane was picked up by HOMELAND SECURITY Radar and was flying in from the South but the origin was unknown. Well...

1) I didn't know we had Homeland Security Radar down here. And...
2) It wasn't flying in from Arkansas unless Slick Willie is back in the smuggling business. lol!!


86 posted on 01/25/2005 4:18:01 AM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: wita

Its amazing how strong WOAI is when the fam and I travel to KS at night I can pick it up all the way.


87 posted on 01/25/2005 4:19:39 AM PST by Rightly Biased (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (don't be lazy look it up))
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To: ElephantinTexas

http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=2852193

Mexican authorities question man about Boston terror plot tip

SAN DIEGO The F-B-I says a man suspected of telling authorities about a possible terror plot targeting Boston is in custody.
Mexican authorities detained the man for questioning in the border town of Mexicali yesterday.

Agents say Jose Ernesto Beltran Quinones may be the one who reported that nuclear material was being brought into the U-S from Mexico. The implication from the tipster was that there was a plot to detonate a radioactive "dirty bomb."

Officials have said they doubted the terror claims. But the tip prompted a search for a group of Chinese nationals.

Some officials theorize the tip came from a smuggler who was trying to get revenge against Chinese immigrants, perhaps because they failed to pay.


88 posted on 01/25/2005 4:26:23 AM PST by maggief
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To: ElephantinTexas

Thanks for the info! There are several of us from the San Antonio area on FR.


89 posted on 01/25/2005 4:30:16 AM PST by dfwright
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To: Khurkris

One of the things I love about FR. You get a news article posted, but also a ton of cross referenced information about the article. Information you wouldn't get anywhere else. Thanks for the info!


90 posted on 01/25/2005 4:31:43 AM PST by dfwright
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To: MeekOneGOP
Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Texas ping list!. . .don't be shy.

How did I miss getting on your Texas ping? I'd love to be added. Thanks!

91 posted on 01/25/2005 4:32:37 AM PST by dfwright
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To: conservative in nyc

Azfel now has his flight school at the San Antonio Int'l Airport Campus.

Alpha Tango Flying Svc Inc
(210) 828-4479  9623 W Terminal Dr
San Antonio, TX


I JUST CAUGHT THE NUMBER ON THE PLANE BEING HELD AT STINSON FIELD.

N98873


92 posted on 01/25/2005 4:35:35 AM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: dfwright

in Seguin where are you?


93 posted on 01/25/2005 4:36:43 AM PST by Rightly Biased (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (don't be lazy look it up))
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To: conservative in nyc

Fits a marry-to-get-citizenship profile.


94 posted on 01/25/2005 4:38:45 AM PST by bvw
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To: twntaipan

More than likely, a Blackhawk or similar helicopter flew up to it, somebody inside pointed a gun at the Cessna, and beckoned them to follow the helo. A Blackhawk can easily keep up with a 172, especially an overloaded one.

}:-)4


95 posted on 01/25/2005 4:43:09 AM PST by Moose4 (http://www.livejournal.com/~moose4. Because the Internet was made for self-important wanking.)
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To: maggiefluffs
"Mexican authorities question man about Boston terror plot tip... ...the tip prompted a search for a group of Chinese nationals."

In both cases, Boston and now San Antonio reports of Chinese Nationals, 2 men and 2 women.. Coincidence? Here is the 4 wanted in Boston, I'm wondering if this is linked and these are the same 4.


96 posted on 01/25/2005 4:55:35 AM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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To: conservative in nyc

Great information posted on this thread...thank you.

Good work Homeland Security...this sounds like a good catch.

He's 48 and she's 70? He should be in jail for that alone.


97 posted on 01/25/2005 4:56:57 AM PST by JudyinCanada (Five-fingered Canadian)
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To: ProudVet77

There are tethered balloons with radar.


98 posted on 01/25/2005 5:05:22 AM PST by BillM
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To: Aeronaut

ping


99 posted on 01/25/2005 5:07:17 AM PST by snopercod ( We as the people no longer truly believe in liberty, not as Americans did -- Dayfdd ab Hugh)
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To: SeaBiscuit

On the WOAI site the latest article has this quote from the SA police captain.
""I've been looking at the pictures (of the Boston suspects) on the TV like everybody else, and I did not recognize anything that would make me think that there was a connection," Humphrey said. "

Here is the rest of the article http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=17053480-D960-4D97-9BF7-04A7492B7271


100 posted on 01/25/2005 5:07:55 AM PST by Claytay
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