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TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO FEBRUARY DAILY THREAD 2005: TERRI IS OUR VALENTINE!
Free Republic and various sources | December 30, 2004, January 31, 2005 | Florida Voter

Posted on 01/31/2005 9:14:49 PM PST by TAdams8591

*Michael, HAVE A HEART !!!!!For Valentines Day give Terri back to her MOM & DAD, The Schindlers!!!!!!!!*

The Terri Schindler Schiavo Daily Threads are created month to month as we watch local and national news regarding Terri and her family.

Since Terri's supporters are in every time zone, you may see something FIRST. Please share news with us that you don't see here already. Now, why would you want to do that? Terri's Daily Thread for September/October of 2004 was viewed over 15,000 times. Terri's November Daily Thread was viewed over 6,000 times. December's thread is over 3,000 views. January 2005 Daily Thread was a RECORD HIGH!!!!!!! 15, 103 VIEWS!!!!!!

More and more good folks are finding out about Terri and that judicial tyranny would take her life, but for lots and lots of prayer and non-stop lobbying of relatives, friends, clergy, our leaders, the media, a passerby, a cashier - ANYONE who you feel comfortable chatting with.

Folks always want to know how can this be in America or on earth for that matter? Unfortunately, this is really happening to an innocent woman who just celebrated her 41st birthday. She's not the only one but she's the one with devoted parents and siblings who knows what's in Terri's heart. Terri has a strong will to live. That's apparent. It's been 14 years.

Besides, feeding tubes have been around practically since the Civil War. They are not high tech devices. Terri is "not hooked up to machines". Her feeding tube is the diameter of a piece of spaghetti.

Talkin' about Terri is the best way to lobby for her. It is a salespitch to save her life and subsequently, many lives. If you've never sold anything in your life, START NOW. START WITH TERRI.

See Terri's flash movies if you need more information. You can see for yourself that's she's interactive and follows the doctor's instructions.

Visit: http://www.terrisfight.org

NOTE: Terri's December Dailies are noted as a source above. There are lots of important links at the very top of that thread. If you missed Terri's Celebration of Life, you can click on it from there.

AGAIN WE HAVE A NEW RECORD: 15,103 views on the tote board for the Terri Schindler Schiavo January Daily Thread!

The most significant event in Terri's case in January, was the Supreme's Courts refusal to hear Governor Jeb Bush's appeal, after the Florida State Legislature struck down Terri's Law. This once again places Terri's life in extreme jeopardy, though there are other issues regarding her case before the court.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 3branches; abuse; baird; civilrights; dayincourt; dohscandal; dueprocess; euthanasia; flagcrist; flahouse; flasenate; greer; jebbush; judgegreer; paleopticnerv; right2counsel; schiavo; schindler; starvation; terri; terrischiavo; uscongress
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To: pc93

I agree, but to have him saying one thing while the split screen shows the opposite is rich.


2,651 posted on 02/22/2005 1:05:23 PM PST by freepertoo
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To: Sun

"Since I don't have cable, unfortunately I did not see any of Greta's re: Terri myself."

Sun, Hope this works for you--

Click where it says:

FREE FOX News Video:•Watch Greta's interview with the Schindler family attorney

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148341,00.html


2,652 posted on 02/22/2005 1:09:13 PM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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To: All; freepertoo

And another lie that I just heard two minutes ago.

When they announced the good news that Terri Schiavo had a stay that her feeding tube can't be removed until 5 p.m. Wednesday they added a lie.

ABC radio news said that Terri in COMATOSE and her parents are hoping she will come out of it.

These lies/misinformation are blood boiling.


2,653 posted on 02/22/2005 1:09:59 PM PST by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: Sun

Anyone have the phone number for ABC radio news?


2,654 posted on 02/22/2005 1:12:32 PM PST by freepertoo
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To: Sun

Here's the transcript--Tuesday, February 22, 2005

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148353,00.html


2,655 posted on 02/22/2005 1:13:00 PM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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To: Scoop 1

Greer cannot be trusted obviously.


2,656 posted on 02/22/2005 1:16:10 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (Save Terri Schiavo!!!)
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To: freepertoo

I don't see a phone number on the site.

http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/default.htm


2,657 posted on 02/22/2005 1:16:14 PM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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To: floriduh voter
Felos is one of the Bigest Liars on the Face of the Globe, and I will Never be "Resigned" to the Planned Cold Blooded Murder of my sister, Not Ever!
2,658 posted on 02/22/2005 1:17:34 PM PST by Kitty Mittens
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To: freepertoo

I guess they are using weird psychological tactics.


2,659 posted on 02/22/2005 1:18:15 PM PST by pc93
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To: freepertoo

Here' a way to contact them by email--

http://abcradio.com/index.cfm?bay=comm.contact


2,660 posted on 02/22/2005 1:19:02 PM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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To: All; freepertoo

I don't have the phone # for ABC radio news, so I just thought I'd send this to an ABC tv e-mail address that I have. I figured it wouldn't hurt.

It is netaudr@abc.com

Here's my brief e-mail which I hope they will pass on to the radio news:

"I heard on an ABC radio news that Terri Schiavo is comotose.

She is NOT comotose. Please visit Terrisfight.org and watch videos of her.

Please give both sides of the story."

I should have added WHY DON'T THEY PUT THEIR CAMERAS IN HER ROOM?


2,661 posted on 02/22/2005 1:22:44 PM PST by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: Chocolate Rose

Thanks for posting the transcript of Greta's program.
Did you notice she said in the intro that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state. Sheeeeeeesh already!


2,662 posted on 02/22/2005 1:22:52 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (Save Terri Schiavo!!!)
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To: Kitty Mittens; Ohioan from Florida; russesjunjee; tutstar; Republic
PRESS RELEASE

2/22/2005

Immediate Release

Schindlers Hopeful Michael Will Welcome Resolution to

Unresolved Questions About Terri

While the family of Terri Schiavo is grateful for the stay issued today by Judge George Greer of Pinellas County Florida’s Sixth Judicial Circuit, they continue to be hopeful that the court will allow the numerous, outstanding legal issues in Terri’s case to be resolved before any action to end their daughter’s life is taken.

Recent advances in neurological testing may be better suited to determining Terri Schiavo’s true cognizant state and the Schindlers would like them to be made available so that no doubt about their daughter’s condition remains.

The family believes that Michael Schiavo will welcome this new opportunity to resolve unanswered questions about Terri’s neurological state before any further action to remove her food and fluids is carried out.

The Schindler family and their legal team with the Gibbs Law Firm are committed to working with the guardian, his counsel and the courts to ensure that every appropriate measure is taken to ensure that Terri Schiavo’s rights and legal interests are respected.

Though the 2nd District Court of Appeals has issued their mandate to remove Terri’s assisted nutrition and hydration, it is the hope of the Schindler family that Michael Schiavo will allow his wife due process and refrain from further pursuit of her death until the court can review the appropriateness of new neurological testing.

The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation is the official organization responsible for speaking on behalf of the Schindler family.

For more information and background on the case, visit the foundation’s website at www.terrisfight.org.

2,663 posted on 02/22/2005 1:25:05 PM PST by floriduh voter (PRIMO TERRI NEWS www.theempirejournal.com Send everybody there!!!)
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To: Chocolate Rose

Can't imagine, but for the grace of God, how they endure this day after day, year after year .. thinking each day could be the last for their precious daughter. God, continue to grant Your mercy and calm to the Schindlers ... surround Terri with your angels ... bathe the Schindlers and Teri with Your love and peace. Fight, Terri, fight on!!


2,664 posted on 02/22/2005 1:25:11 PM PST by STARWISE (The UN -- sanctuary for thieves, liars, despots, protected criminals, mercenaries + phonies)
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To: All; Chocolate Rose

Thanx for the Greta link.

BTW, I happen to have a phone # for CBC handy, for when they make us angry.

It is: 212-975-3247


2,666 posted on 02/22/2005 1:26:17 PM PST by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: pc93

Thanks for all the links. I have time to send lots more email.


2,667 posted on 02/22/2005 1:29:07 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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FOX said it AGAIN----Terri is in a "vegative state" ---- won't come out of it...&$%#@!% !!!!


2,668 posted on 02/22/2005 1:33:23 PM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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To: tutstar

Sounds rather familiar doesn't it? THIS is another thing that the Governor could do. He could launch an investigation into THIS Judge's actions.


2,669 posted on 02/22/2005 1:34:38 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South !)
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To: Sun

I'm just praying someone at the hospice has one of those new-fangled button-sized or really tiny digital cameras you find at the spy shops .. and that we'll eventually see some film of Terri in this time period, secretly being recorded by some loving and decent soul who works there.


2,670 posted on 02/22/2005 1:35:33 PM PST by STARWISE (The UN -- sanctuary for thieves, liars, despots, protected criminals, mercenaries + phonies)
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To: STARWISE

There's so much evidence NOW...I doubt they'd pay any more attention to THAT than they have anything else...but I wish someone would do that, too!


2,671 posted on 02/22/2005 1:37:13 PM PST by freepertoo
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To: Sun

Thanks--bump


2,672 posted on 02/22/2005 1:40:34 PM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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To: Chocolate Rose

Yep just saw the FoxNews trailer that says she is completely dependent on hospital machines. They are not even trying to correct their mistakes, since this is the second day in a row, that they've printed false information.

Drudge has the emergency stay story on his site.


2,673 posted on 02/22/2005 1:41:02 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict

All right...even Fox won't report her true condition...what do we do? Emails and calls obviously don't work.


2,674 posted on 02/22/2005 1:44:04 PM PST by freepertoo
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To: Saundra Duffy

You CANNOT trust Greta Van Sustern. She's baad news, always has been, always will be. Don't trust her AT ALL.


2,675 posted on 02/22/2005 1:47:00 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South !)
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To: freepertoo

I mean they don't seem to work to get the networks to stop using the wrong terminology...not that emails and calls don't work, period.


2,676 posted on 02/22/2005 1:47:40 PM PST by freepertoo
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To: floriduh voter

Called Gov offc. Asked if Terri had been taken into protective custody yet. Operator couldn't comment. So I left msg begging him to do so. She said he'd get the msg. She was very friendly, and I got the impression from her tone that she really appreciated my call.

Called Crist at 850-414-3300. Operator asked if I was in state or out. When I told her out of state, she said to call 850-414-3990. I asked why there is a different number for out of state, and she said she would have given me a different # even if I was in state. I again asked why there is a different # for in state & out of state. She said because there is a toll free # that only works inside Fla.

Calling now. All personnel are busy. Pls hold. 4:37 pm.

4:39 Operator answered. I said I was calling about Terri Schiavo. She took my name & number. I asked if Terri was in protective custody yet. Sorry, I didn't write her answer down at the time, but as I recall, it was non-answer. I asked that he take her into protective custody now, then I begged. Paraphrasing: We don't have an issue. I asked what that meant. Paraphrasing again: We don't have jurisdiction. We are keeping list of names, numbers, and comments to present to AG Crist. I expressed my disgust at his shirking of his duty, and stated he does have jurisdiction. I think I ticked her off. Oh well. Overall, I got the impression she was annoyed with me from start to finish.


2,677 posted on 02/22/2005 1:50:34 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb

I've been trying to be nice as possible, but they sure do get teed off when you tell them they can do something about this case. Same thing with the legislatures. I'm surprised they don't have more polite phone screeners taking the calls.


2,678 posted on 02/22/2005 1:56:32 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: pc93

I've often found it amazing how they can do that.


2,679 posted on 02/22/2005 1:57:39 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: BykrBayb

Good. If they're annoyed, they're getting flooded.

I just wrote ABC and asked why they're reporting false information about her condition...and are they aware there are bloggers and video out there that make them out to be liars.

Keep going, folks!


2,680 posted on 02/22/2005 1:57:52 PM PST by freepertoo
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To: freepertoo

What would it take to set a DVD player up on a table outside the hospice and show that film of Terri reacting over and over and over to passersby?


2,681 posted on 02/22/2005 1:59:32 PM PST by freepertoo
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To: freepertoo

Usually, it works with Fox.

Maybe it depends on who's manning the phone calls and emails. Maybe if we send complaints at different times of the day, we will have a better chance of getting them to report the truth.

Here's the contact info again.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77538,00.html


2,682 posted on 02/22/2005 2:01:33 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: BykrBayb

Public employees tend to be liberal and therefore most but not all are unlikely to be sympathetic to the Schinlders. Many also dislike taking a rash of calls. They often have the philosophy: the calls come and go, but I am always here!


2,683 posted on 02/22/2005 2:04:54 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.

I'm glad I can't understand their reasoning. I'm curious, but I really don't want to know.


2,684 posted on 02/22/2005 2:09:25 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: FL_engineer; cyn; FR_addict; windchime; Budge; Deo volente; nicmarlo; Ohioan from Florida; ...
Subject: Re: Deposition of Dr. Walker, Manatee Hospital -- Originator of Bone Scans: Beating
From: pc93
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:39:30 -0500
To: Drk4The1@aol.com
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I just called the Governor's Office and tried to ask what was happening in the matter of Terri Schiavo and was told that the courts haven't decided yet. I told the person that Gov. Bush is the Chief Law Enforcement of the State and the Head of DCF and AHCA and how there was non-addressed complaints by AHCA. They transferred me to AHCA. This is going nowhere. I am supposed to be in training this week and already missed one day. My job is in jeopardy because my Governor and President cannot do their damn jobs. That goes for my representatives and for the FBI and the USDOJ whom I have notified of crimes against Teresa Schiavo in regards to people conspiring to murder her. IF YOU DO NOTHING TO AVERT THERESA SCHIAVO'S MURDER THE BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS!!!

Juan V Schoch
Lake Mary, FL 32746
407-925-4141

Drk4The1@aol.com wrote:

> PROOF that George Felos LIED in court to Judge Greer during a hearing specific about this new finding in which the parents of Terri Schiavo asked the Judge to abate his ruling and order an investigation into how Terri got these serious and multiple fractures. They did not mean for Greer to do the investigation, but for him to do his SWORN OATH duty and legal requirement to bring in LAW ENFORCEMENT. Judge Greer, state attroney Bernie McCabe and past Sheriff Everett Rice have been seen together and it is reproted that Greer was overheard at a baseball game talking about the Schiavo case with one of them. Felos made claims and produce alleged affidavits, but unverified as noted in court, which state exactly the opposite of the doctor. Felos claimed that Terri had a bone disease and there was nothing there of any importance to warrant any further attention. Thus actively hiding the fact that this Guardian has concealed and not treated (Felony Crimes) the 13 fractures by trying to say that she merely has a bone disease. Wait till you read about THE BROKEN BACK and the BROKEN FEMUR probably caused by direct blunt trauma like furniture, stairs or golf club!

>
> Terri is a VICTIM and needs PROTECTION from this bunch
NOW!
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> *_url_*: http://www.zimp.org/stuff/03%20-%20WalkerDepositionDepo.htm
>
> *November 21, 2003, deposition *
>
> (excerpts) taken from Dr. Walker, a board-certified radiologist at Manatee Memorial Hospital. _Dr. Walker is the doctor that prepared the bone-scan report from the image of Terri Schiavo taken on March 5, 1991._
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>
>
> 15 Q What is a total-body bone scan used for
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> 16 typically?
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> 17 A It's to look for abnormalities of the
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> 18 bone, whether they -- if they would be recent
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> 19 abnormalities.
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> 20 Q Recent --
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> 21 A Recent.
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> 22 Q -- abnormalities?
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> 23 A Correct.
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> 24 Q Is it also a technique to diagnose
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> 25 osteoporosis?
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>
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> 1 A No.
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> 3 Q And the next sentence, "There are an
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> 4 extensive number of focal abnormal areas of nuclide
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> 5 accumulation of intense type." What does that mean?
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> 6 A Well, that means that there are a lot of
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> 7 areas that look black on the images because lots of
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> 8 that radioactive decaying material was happening at
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> 9 those points and was being recorded by the imaging
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> 10 system.
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> 11 Q Okay. "These include multiple bilateral
>
> 12 ribs." What would that mean to you?
>
> 13 A Well, you know, there's left ribs and
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> 14 right ribs. And that would mean that more than two
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> 15 ribs on each side were involved.
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> 13 Q "Several of the thoracic vertebral
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> 14 bodies, the L1 vertebral body, both sacroiliac
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> 15 joints." These are all areas that were abnormal on
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> 16 the scan?
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> 17 A That's what this indicates, yes.
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> 18 Q "The distal right femoral diaphysis,"
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> 19 what area of the body is that?
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> 20 A That would be the right leg, the upper
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> 21 part of the right leg.
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> 22 Q Distal?
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> 23 A Above the knee.
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>
>
> 5 Q So on the thigh bone above the kneecap
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> 6 but not involving the joint?
>
> 7 A That's what that particular thing says,
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> 8 but I think somewhere in there also, it mentioned
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> 9 that both knees --
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> 10 Q Right. Right after that.
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> 11 A Right after that. So that's different
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> 12 from the knee activity.
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> 13 Q And, "Both ankles, right greater than
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> 14 left." Those are two additional areas that showed
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> 15 up as abnormalities on the scan?
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> 16 A That's correct. Correct.
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> 13 *Q Would you draw any conclusions from that*
>
> *14 how old the ossification was?*
>
> *15 A You could say that it wasn't real old,*
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> *16 because typically, as we mentioned, the bone is a*
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> *17 dynamic structure, and it's constantly being*
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> *18 remodeled normally. So the body tends to take away*
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> *19 extra bone eventually to remodel it to look like*
>
> *20 normal bone. So typically old bone injuries are*
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> *21 remodeled so that eventually they may almost*
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> *22 disappear, particularly in young people. In the*
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> *23 very young, a fracture you won't even see in three*
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> *24 or four years, it will be totally erased.*
>
>
>
>
>
> 8 Q Then you go on to say, "Most likely the
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> 9 femoral periosteal reaction reflects a response to a
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> 10 subperiosteal hemorrhage." Would that be a bone
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> 11 bruise?
>
> 12 A Correct.
>
> 16 Q Then you go on to say, "And the activity
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> 17 in L1 correlates perfectly with the compression
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> 18 fracture which is presumably traumatic."
>
> 19 A That's what it says.
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> 20 Q In other words, the x-ray confirmed the
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> 21 L1 fracture?
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> 22 A The x-ray shows an abnormality at L1
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> 23 which happens to correspond with the abnormal bone
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> 24 turnover on the bone scan at that point.
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>
>
> 7 *Q Is this compression fracture, then, in*
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> *8 common parlance, a broken back?*
>
> *9 A Yes.*
>
> *10 Q Is there any way to tell how old that*
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> *11 fracture would be?*
>
> *12 A Well, as I've alluded to, the bone scan*
>
> *13 gives some suggestion of that.*
>
> *14 Q More recent rather than less recent?*
>
> *15 A Correct. Typically in trauma the rule of*
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> *16 thumb is that a traumatic fracture is not active on*
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> *17 the bone scan after 12 to 18 months. *
>
>
>
>
>
> *9 Q The report goes on to say, "The*
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> *10 presumption is that the other multiple areas of*
>
> *11 abnormal activity also relate to previous trauma."*
>
> *12 A That's what it says.*
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> 13 Q And, again, that's based on the fact that
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> 14 Dr. Carnahan is a rehab physician, that you were
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> 15 asked to evaluate for trauma?
>
> *16 A And the pattern of activity is fairly*
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> *17 typical of multiple traumatic injuries of relatively*
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> *18 recent origin.*
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> *19 Q I realize you can't assign a cause to*
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> *20 these injuries that you picked up in this report.*
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> *21 But typically in your experience, what would be the*
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> *22 causes of this pattern of abnormality?*
>
> *23 A In somebody her age, an auto accident is*
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> *24 by far the most typical cause.*
>
> *25 Q Assume that she was not in an auto*
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> * *
>
> *1 accident but that she had suffered an anoxic or*
>
> *2 hypoxic encephalopathy type of injury from a cardiac*
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> *3 arrest and had been bedridden for a year at this*
>
> *4 point. What might account for these abnormalities?*
>
> *5 A In my knowledge, that type of injury*
>
> *6 would not account for this pattern of abnormalities.*
>
>
>
> *5 Q Okay. Is this a pattern of heterotrophic*
>
> *6 ossification as reported in the literature that you*
>
> *7 looked at?*
>
> *8 A Not typically.*
>
> *9 Q What makes it atypical?*
>
> *10 A Well, if I were to pick one thing, I*
>
> *11 would say the activity in the ribs is not typical.*
>
> *12 And typically heterotrophic ossification occurs*
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> *13 around the joints because they're not being moved.*
>
> *14 And typically you will see on the radiographs*
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> *15 calcium deposits actually sitting there. And they*
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> *16 don't look like periosteal reaction typically*
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> *17 either; they have a different appearance.*
>
>
>
> *4 Q Can you say, then, within a reasonable*
>
> *5 degree of medical certainty whether this bone scan*
>
> *6 is consistent with heterotrophic ossification?*
>
> *7 A In my knowledge, it's not consistent with*
>
> *8 heterotrophic ossification as I typically see it.*
>
>
>
> 21 Q Okay. And later on in your direct
>
> 22 examination you were saying that traumatic fractures
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> 23 typically are not active on a bone scan after 12 to
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> 24 18 months. Is that correct?
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> 25 A That's correct.
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> 19 Q Okay. Is there any way for you to say
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> 20 from looking at this report when any of these
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> 21 occurrences took place that caused the abnormality
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> 22 to appear on the bone scan?
>
> *23 A I can only say that if they were*
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> *24 traumatic that they probably occurred within 18*
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> *25 months.*
>
>
>
> 1 Q Is it possible that the abnormalities
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> 2 that you noted on the right femoral diaphysis and
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> 3 metaphysis could have occurred if the patient was
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> 4 standing and suffered a cardiac arrest and fell to
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> 5 the floor?
>
> 6 A Probably not. That wouldn't be a typical
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> 7 mechanism of injury that would cause a periosteal
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> 8 bruise. Typically you need a direct blow of some
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> 9 kind. I suppose one could speculate that she fell
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> 10 on a piece of furniture, that that could produce
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> 11 that injury. But just typically falling on the
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> 12 floor would not do that.
>
>
>
> 9 Q Okay. The bone scan and radiographic
>
> 10 report shows only one fracture. And that is a
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> 11 compression fracture to L1. Correct?
>
> 12 A Well, I should clarify that by stating
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> 13 that not all of the areas of bone-scan abnormality
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> 14 were imaged concurrently. Okay. And that's
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> 15 important. In other words, we didn't x-ray every
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> 16 area that was hot on there. A couple of typical
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> 17 areas were imaged but not all. Of those areas that
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> 18 were imaged, the only area that showed what was a
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> 19 clear fracture was L1.
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>
>
> 2 Q The radiographs did not show any
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> 3 fractures of the right femur. Correct?
>
> 4 A They don't show a typical fracture. They
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> 5 show periosteal reaction, which could be the result
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> 6 of a bone bruise, which is a bone injury that's not
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> 7 a loss of continuity of the structure of the bone.
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> 8 So to the extent that you define fracture as a loss
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> 9 of structural continuity, then, yes, that is an
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> 10 actual fracture as is typically described.
>
> 10 Q Okay. If an immobile patient is going
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> 11 through physical therapy and part of the physical
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> 12 therapy is to have manual manipulation of the legs,
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> 13 particularly flexing of the knees, is it possible
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> 14 that that physical therapy would result in an
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> 15 abnormal appearance on a bone scan?
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> 16 MS. ANDERSON: Objection. That question,
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> 17 I think, is virtually unanswerable because it
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> 18 is so vague.
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> 19 A I could only speculate.
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> 20 Q Okay. In your opinion, is that something
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> 21 that would show up on a bone scan?
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> *22 A I would think only if the joint were*
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> *23 injured would it show up on a bone scan. Just*
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> *24 simple manipulation of an injured part should not*
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> *25 show up as an abnormality on a bone scan.*
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> *22 Q Would a kick be the kind of direct blow*
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> *23 that would produce that femoral abnormality?*
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> *24 A That would be a possibility, yes.*
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> *25 Q Would being thrown into a sharp furniture*
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> * *
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> *1 corner?*
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> *2 A That would be a possibility.*
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> *3 Q Would being struck with some sort of*
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> *4 blunt object like a golf club or something do it?*
>
> *5 A Yes.*
>
> *22 Q You mentioned that you have seen*
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> *23 fractures in bedridden patients before?*
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> *24 A Yes.*
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> *25 Q How frequently have you seen that?*
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> * *
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> *1 A Rare.*
>
> *2 Q It's rare?
>
> 3 A Yes.*
>
>

2,685 posted on 02/22/2005 2:12:27 PM PST by pc93
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To: pc93

Looks like the Governor is NOT going to be convinced to get involved. What a shame.


2,686 posted on 02/22/2005 2:24:59 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South !)
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To: BykrBayb

Many government employees feel underpaid and underappreciated. When they read of Medicaid paying Terri's bills, they grow resentful. They reason that public money paid out for a person in "vegetative state" is money that could otherwise go to salary increases for themselves. Of course, not every government employee is so self-centered.


2,687 posted on 02/22/2005 2:29:54 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: All

Click http://www.rightmarch.com/media/FlyerforTerri.pdf to download a PDF of a bulletin/flyer printed twice on an 8 1/2 piece of paper. It has a brief history of Terri's story, as well as the phone number and the e-mail for Governor Bush, the Speaker of the Florida House, and the President of the Florida Senate. We did this so that you could use your home printer or go to a copy shop and make copies to put in your church bulletin, or hand out at church, or to give to your friends at work. As you will see, you can cut it in half after copying, and it will fit inside most church bulletins. (If the clergy won't help, maybe you could put it on cars in the parking lot.) This flyer will help increase the waves of outrage we need to come from around the nation.


2,688 posted on 02/22/2005 2:32:20 PM PST by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: pc93

PC93, you who keep such great records. By any chance do you have any type of link to that exact courtroom testimony by Michaels brother where the brother testified that Terri said she didn't want any extrodinary measures. Remeber that transcript? It was just only a few lines and that is what Judge greer accepted and determined that Terri should die? If you could find that without to much trouble, I would liekt ot use it i an e-mail.

Many thanks


2,689 posted on 02/22/2005 2:32:39 PM PST by ExPatInFrance
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To: STARWISE

Yes, there must be SOMEONE at Hospice that is both brave and loving that would have a camera and/or tape recorder, and give it out to the media, and make a statement (even anonymously) to the news media.


2,690 posted on 02/22/2005 2:35:30 PM PST by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: Theodore R.
Ethicist Explores Nazi Medical Abuses


Nazi poster bearing the phrase, translated from German, "A strong and healthy nurse is there only to give care to a dangerous madman. Shouldn't we be ashamed?"

2,691 posted on 02/22/2005 2:37:40 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: ExPatInFrance

Any type of link? How's this?
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/11/08/Tampabay/Schiavo_s_wishes_reca.shtml


2,692 posted on 02/22/2005 2:38:07 PM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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To: Chocolate Rose
Send this on to Fox, and anyone else, CR ... this should set the record straight ...

========

A Visit With Terri Schiavo

Attorney Barbara Weller

This past Christmas Eve day, 2004, I went to visit Terri Schiavo with her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, her sister, her niece, and Attorney David Gibbs III. The visit took place at the Woodside Hospice for about 45 minutes just before noon.

When I knew I was going to visit Terri with her parents, I had no idea what to expect. I was prepared for the possibility that the Schindlers love their daughter and sister so much that they might imagine behaviors by Terri that aren't actually evident to others. The media and Mr. Schiavo clearly give the impression that Terri is in a coma or comatose state and engages only in non-purposeful and reflexive movements and responses. I am a mother and a grandmother, as well as one of the Schindlers’ attorneys, and I could understand how parents might imagine behavior and purposeful activity that is not really there. I was prepared to be as objective as I could be during this visit and not to be disappointed at anything I saw or experienced.

I was truly surprised at what I saw from the moment we entered the little room where Terri is confined. The room is a little wider than the width of two single beds and about as long as the average bedroom, with plenty of room for us to stand at the foot of her bed. Terri is on the first floor and there is a lovely view to the outside grounds of the facility. The room is entered by a short hallway, however, and there is no way for Terri to see out into the hallway or for anyone in the hallway to observe Terri.

From the moment we entered the room, my impression was that Terri was very purposeful and interactive and she seemed very curious about the presence of obvious strangers in her room. Terri was not in bed, but was in her chair, which has a lounge chair appearance and elevates her head at about a 30-degree angle. She was dressed and washed, her hair combed, and she was covered with a holiday blanket. There were no tubes of any kind attached to her body. She was completely free of any restraints that would have indicated any type of artificial life support. Not even her feeding tube was attached and functioning when we entered, as she is not fed 24 hours a day.

The thing that surprised me the most about Terri as I took my turn to greet her by the side of her chair was how beautiful she is. I would have expected to see someone with a sallow and gray complexion and a sick looking countenance. Instead, I saw a very pretty woman with a peaches and cream complexion and a lovely smile, which she even politely extended to me as I introduced myself to her. I was amazed that someone who had not been outside for so many years and who received such minimal health care could look so beautiful. She appeared to have an inner light radiating from her face. I was truly taken aback by her beauty, particularly under the adverse circumstances in which she has found herself for so many years.

Terri’s parents, sister, and niece went immediately to greet Terri when we entered the room and stood in turn directly beside her head, stroking her face, kissing her and talking quietly with her. When she heard their voices, and particularly her mother's voice, Terri instantly turned her head towards them and smiled. Terri established eye contact with her family, particularly with her mother, who spent the most time with her during our visit. It was obvious that she recognized the voices in the room with the exception of one. Although her mother was talking to her at the time, she obviously had heard a new voice and exhibited a curious demeanor. Attorney Gibbs was having a conversation near the door with Terri’s sister. His voice is very deep and resonant and Terri obviously picked it up. Her eyes widened as if to say, “What’s that new sound I hear?” She scanned the room with her eyes, even turning her head in his direction, until she found Attorney Gibbs and the location of the new voice and her eyes rested momentarily in his direction. She then returned to interacting with her mother.

When her mother was close to her, Terri’s whole face lit up. She smiled. She looked directly at her mother and she made all sorts of happy sounds. When her mother talked to her, Terri was quiet and obviously listening. When she stopped, Terri started vocalizing. The vocalizations seemed to be a pattern, not merely random or reflexive at all. There is definitely a pattern of Terri having a conversation with her mother as best she can manage. Initially, she used the vocalization of “uh’uh” but without seeming to mean it as a way of saying “no”, just as a repeated speech pattern. She then began to make purposeful grunts in response to her mother’s conversation. She made the same sorts of sound with her father and sister, but not to the same extent or as delightedly as with her mother. She made no verbal response to her niece or to Attorney Gibbs and myself, but she did appear to pay attention to our words to her.

The whole experience was rather moving. Terri definitely has a personality. Her whole demeanor definitely changes when her mother speaks with her. She lights up and appears to be delighted at the interaction. She has an entirely different reaction to her father who jokes with her and has several standing jokes that he uses when he enters and exits her presence. She appears to merely “tolerate” her father, as a child does when she says “stop” but really means, “this is fun.” When her father greets her, he always does the same thing. He says, “here comes the hug” and hugs her. He then says, “you know what’s coming next---the kiss.” Her father has a scratchy mustache and both times when he went through this little joke routine with her, she laughed in a way she did not do with anyone else. When her father is ready to plant the kiss on her cheek, she immediately makes a face her family calls the “lemon face.” She puckers her lips, screws up her whole face, and turns away from him, as if making ready for the scratchy assault on her cheek that she knows is coming. She did the exact same thing both times that her father initiated this little routine joke between the two of them.

The interactions with her family and our appearance in her room appeared to require some effort and exertion from Terri. From time to time, she would close her eyes as if to rest. This happened primarily when no one was paying particular attention to her, but we were talking among ourselves. After a few minutes or when one of the visitors approached her and started to talk directly to her again, Terri would open her eyes and begin her grunting sounds again in response to their conversations. Although I approached her, leaned close and stroked her arms and spoke to her, she did not verbally respond to me.

Terri’s hands are curled up around little soft cylinders that help her not to injure herself. I understand that these contractures are likely very painful, although there was a time when Terri was receiving simple motion therapy when her hands and arms relaxed and were no longer as constricted. When the therapy was discontinued by order of her guardian and the court, the contractures returned. These contractures would apparently be avoidable if Terri were given the simple range of motion therapy she previously received. It is very sad to observe firsthand these conditions that make her life more difficult, but that would be correctable with little effort.

When we were preparing to leave, the interactions with Terri changed. First, she went through the joke routine with her father and the “lemon face.” When her niece said goodbye to her, Terri did not react. Nor did she react to me or to Attorney Gibbs when we said our goodbyes to her. When her sister went to her to say goodbye, Terri’s verbalizations changed dramatically. Instead of the happy grunting and “uh uh” sounds she had been making throughout the visit, her verbalizations at these goodbyes changed to a very low and different sound that appeared to come from deep in her throat and was almost like a growl. She first made the sound when her sister said goodbye and then, amazingly to me, she made exactly the same sound when her mother said goodbye to her. It seemed Terri was visibly upset that they were leaving. She almost appeared to be trying to cling to them, although this impression came only from her changed facial expression and sounds, since her hands cannot move. It appeared like she did not want to be alone and knew they were leaving. It was definitely apparent in the short time I was there that her emotions changed—it was apparent when she was happy and enjoying herself, when she was amused, when she was resting from her exertion to communicate, and when she was sad at her guests leaving. It was readily apparent and surprising that her mood changed so often in a short 45-minute visit.

I was pleasantly surprised to observe Terri’s purposeful and varied behaviors with the various members of her family and with Attorney Gibbs and myself. I never imagined Terri would be so active, curious, and purposeful. She watched people intently, obviously was attempting to communicate with each one in various ways and with various facial expressions and sounds. She was definitely not in a coma, not even close. This visit certainly shed more light for me on why the Schindlers are fighting so hard to protect her, to get her medical care and rehabilitative assistance, and to spend all they have to protect her life.

I realize that Terri has good days and bad days. There are obviously days when she does not interact with her family, as they had previously told us. There are also apparently days when Terri is even more interactive and responsive to them than she was on the day I visited. Since this visit I am more convinced than ever that the Schindlers are not just parents who refuse to let go of their daughter. There really is a lot going on with their daughter and potentially, it seemed obvious to me, Terri could improve even more with appropriate care and 24 hour a day love that can only come from a dedicated family. As I watched her, my foremost thought was that on the next day, Christmas, Terri should not have been confined to her small room in a hospice center, nice as that room was, but that she should have been gathered around the Christmas dinner table enjoying the holiday with her family.

MEDIA: Call the Gibbs Law Firm Media Director, Mr. Keith Brickell, at O:727-399-8300 or C:727-458-4824 to arrange an interview with Attorney David Gibbs III or Attorney Barbara Weller. He can be reached by email: kbrickell@gibbsfirm.com.

The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation is the official organization responsible for speaking on behalf of the Schindler family. For more information and background on the case, visit the foundation’s website at www.terrisfight.org.

2,693 posted on 02/22/2005 2:45:25 PM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: All; Canadian Outrage

I copied this from post #2,451. Darn, I forgot to write down the poster's name, but you can go there to find out who the poster is. Here's the post:

"Another place to write would be Columba Bush - Gov. Jeb Bush's wife.

Her website is http://www.myflorida.com/myflorida/governorsoffice/firstlady/recent_news/art.html

And her email is: http://www.myflorida.com/myflorida/governorsoffice/firstlady/contact.html

Her Phone and Fax: Telephone:
850/488-4441
Fax: 850/487-0801

As a mother, I know she would understand. I've written to her before about something else and she did respond -

So maybe she would this time also and even intervene.

Let's try!"


2,694 posted on 02/22/2005 2:48:10 PM PST by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: BykrBayb

The guardian of the property Alison Carpenter was purposefully not paying Hospice out of Terri's $110,000 when the trust was set up in 2002 so that the death attorneys could be paid first. They let Hospice go over 6 months arrears and then they hid the info from the public guardianship file.

And Carpenter never marshalled the house Michael owns, 50% belonging to Terri into the Guradianship and Terri is still not on the deed 3 years later.


2,695 posted on 02/22/2005 2:48:16 PM PST by pc93
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To: Chocolate Rose

One of the biggest travesties of this case is one of language: tubes are being interchanged with wires, as in hooked up to equipment, ventilators, heart-lung machines, etc. They've been able to take her basic food nourishment TUBE and construe that as artificial support! God Bless Terri Schiavo!!!! Fight, Terri, fight on!!!


2,696 posted on 02/22/2005 2:50:06 PM PST by STARWISE (The UN -- sanctuary for thieves, liars, despots, protected criminals, mercenaries + phonies)
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To: Chocolate Rose

I haven't seen the details of Michael's story before. Thanks for the link.

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/11/08/Tampabay/Schiavo_s_wishes_reca.shtml

A girlfirend said she watched the Karen Quinlen movie with Terri. They had just graduated from high school when the movie came out. Her story is very credible.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/24/schiavo.profile.ap/

I want to put these two links together so I have them in one post


2,697 posted on 02/22/2005 2:56:40 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: STARWISE

You got that right! It is very frustrating how they are interchanging terminology to make it more palatable.


2,698 posted on 02/22/2005 2:58:02 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: Pegita

Bump


2,699 posted on 02/22/2005 3:02:18 PM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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To: pc93

Post #2665 bump!


2,700 posted on 02/22/2005 3:06:21 PM PST by windchime (Hillary: "I've always been a preying person")
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