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Big Media Won't Touch Agenda 21
SierraTimes.com ^ | Feb 3, 2005 | Nancy Levant

Posted on 02/03/2005 10:37:05 PM PST by hedgetrimmer

Big Media Won't Touch Agenda 21 Nancy Levant

I keep waiting, and waiting, and waiting for Bill O’Reilly or Shaun Hannity or Oprah Winfrey or somebody…..anybody, who has daily access to the multitudes, to say the words, “Agenda 21.” I’m still waiting, and for the life of me, I don’t understand the refusal to talk about the greatest threat to America that has ever existed. However, it dawns on me that wrapping a brain around Agenda 21 requires time, effort, interest, and a lot diligence. No one told me about Agenda 21. I found it by accident on the Internet. Then I went to the U.N.’s website and read Agenda 21. From there I went to Buenos Aires, The President’s Commission of Sustainable Development, my local sustainable development commissions and planners, to local visioning commissions, ecology conglomerates, and then back to the U.N.. After about six months of reading about a whole lot of global, national, and philanthropic organizations, I started documenting and keeping running lists because, I discovered, Agenda 21 was huge, highly developed, and a done deal. “How is it,” I asked myself, “that in 50 years, I never heard of any of this before? Where were my trusted newscasters? And why hasn’t my President, or the previous Presidents, ever talked about Agenda 21, the meetings in Buenos Aires, and Agenda 21’s connections to the World Trade Organization, World Bank, and a thousand other global organizations?”

So, I kept researching the Net. And lo and behold, I finally realized that Agenda 21 would never be publicized to Americans. It really can’t be.

As my running lists were now becoming encyclopedic, I also realized that there was no way to explain Agenda 21 easily. It’s too big, profoundly sophisticated, intentionally masked and hidden by corporate agendas and ecological ideologies that are, themselves, exploited by corporate agendas. But more than that, I realized that for Americans to understand Agenda 21, they would have to come to terms with a truth that, I fear, they won’t believe. What would that truth be? Let me try to say it in one sentence: Agenda 21 is the end of America.

As I read that sentence I think, “Well, Nancy, now everyone is going to think you are an extremist and no one will believe anything you say from now on. Everyone knows there can be no end to America….”

But unfortunately, my dear Americans, there can be an end to America, for America is a way of life. The place on Earth - where we are – the beautiful and bountiful lands between Canada and Mexico, might retain the name of “The United States of America,” but I’m not even sure that that is a given. If you believe even half of Agenda 21 and it’s dealings with the World Trade Organization, The World Bank, The President’s Commission on Sustainable Development, The Commission on Global Governance, The World Conference on Global Governance, The Millennium Project, The Court of Criminal Justice, The Nature Conservancy, The World Summit on Sustainable Development, Smart Growth, AND the “visioning” training and manipulation of American people, then you realize what has happened right under our noses over the past 35 years and without one national personality ever mentioning Agenda 21.

So, let me offer a list of website addresses to help readers research for themselves. I suggest you take notes and collect new website addresses. I believe that, as Americans, we owe it to our history and our sense of ourselves, to do the following:

· Read Agenda 21. If you read the other information via the web addresses in this article, you will wrap your brain around Agenda 21. It’s unbelievable and it’s dastardly, because not one politician or national media outlet has had the guts to tell us what was being taken from us.

· Pass your knowledge on to others. Don’t stew and be paralyzed. Take your knowledge to churches, civic organizations, and any other groups or individuals you can, and resolve yourselves to spread the news. Have an Anti-Agenda 21 Parade or Day to draw attention to the cause. Without fail, it’s the most important thing you will ever do in your lives as patriotic people. Write to your representatives and tell them you know what they have hidden, and that their manipulations of American citizens are shameful. Do it.

· Try so very hard to home school your children. Public schools are governmental institutions embroiled in Agenda 21 and its plans for the United States and our children. As you read and study Agenda 21, you will see it alive, well, and operating most obviously in the public schools. You will also see it clearly in the newest communities in all states across the country. Agenda 21 is everywhere, and it wants your children’s intellects and value systems as well as your land and land rights.

· Finally, teach your children about Agenda 21, what it is, and what it is doing to their country. Children have unique wisdoms at every age. Teach them truths so that they can faithfully and fearlessly speak truths. They must understand what is happening in their country. They cannot fight hidden and masked manipulations if they don’t understand how and where they operate.

Now is the time for Americans to help Americans. We cannot fight the loss of our rights unless we understand the game, and most Americans are totally unaware of what is happening to them and their communities. However, I do believe that the bulk of American people “sense” that something is amiss. Let’s commit to them, our children, and our futures. Let’s spread the news and make the media and politicians talk. They have counted on our stupidity, our silence, and our laziness. They have even counted on us not really caring.

We have to remember – it’s our government. It does not belong to politicians. They work for us. Unfortunately, they have not done that, and furthermore, they have advanced a worldwide mission without our knowledge, our votes, or even our opinions. So I say, one town at a time, here we come, and any elected official found to be complicit or a silent player in the Agenda 21 game needs to go.

Agenda 21 – Learn All About It

Basic Explanation of birth of Agenda 21 http://www.johannesburgsummit.org/html/basic_info/unced.html

Timeline of development of world governance and agenda 21 http://www.sovereignty.net/timeline.html

Key players of Millennium Project http://www.unmillenniumproject.org/documents/tf6interim.pdf

HABITAT II – U.N. Housing Requirements http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/hab2.html

Brainwashing/education http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/brainwashing.html

Global Governance – key international players http://www.sovereignty.net/p/gov/gganalysis.htm

Professor Jeffrey Sachs, Millennium Goals Project http://www.earthinstitute.columbia.edu/about/director/

Rocky Mountain Institute http://www.rmi.org/sitepages/pid61.php

Sustainable Development in the United States – natural resources goals: http://www.un.org/esa/agenda21/natlinfo/countr/usa/natur.htm

Henry Lamb http://www.sovereignty.net/p/sd/strong.html

The Sustainable Development Institute http://www.susdev.org/

American Policy Center – Tom DeWeese http://americanpolicy.org/ invasive species legislation: http://americanpolicy.org/prop/main.htm the Wildlands Project, Smart Growth Project http://americanpolicy.org/un/darkside.htm

American Farmland Trust & the Nature Conservancy & OSU http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/articles5/rustling_america_in_ohio.htm

Human Settlements – goals http://www.nlihc.org/mahn/habitat.htm ***Education for sustainability: An Agenda Action http://www.gcrio.org/edu/pcsd/toc.html United Nations dissolves USA Sovereignty http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a33916.htm Visioning Training-How To Re-Envision People and Communities www.hhh.umn.edu/centers/rlc/comm/outcome.htm People and their organizations and schemes: http://www.southern-style.com/conspiracy_of_the_left.htm How to force visioning upon the public as quoted from the United Nation’s Agenda 21 document: http://doncasey.home.mindspring.com/vision.htm World Summit on Sustainable Development http://www.minambiente.it/Sito/settori_azione/pia/docs/forum_chairman_summary.pdf


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To: spunkets
Because Agenda 21 it's old, it's not relevant?

We are trying to destroy America ourselves?

Haven't you read Agenda 21's manifesto?

151 posted on 02/04/2005 1:46:35 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
"Actually, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was a forgery made by the Czar's secret police."

BTW, I did generalize and stand corrected. See something that I recently posted, and like material ("in forum").

Putin admits Russia's anti-Semitism
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1334883/posts

...not simply bashing that country, either, but some demographics and characteristics need to be known by voters and writers in case things there don't work out the way we hope.

"The root of many later conspiracy theories of powerful groups attempting to dominate the world through deceptive means."

Yes. I think we should also be watchful about socialist property control and confiscation efforts in the USA--what the post above this thread is about. Civilian morale and our Constitution are also very important to the security of our country.
152 posted on 02/04/2005 1:54:25 AM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: All
And Convention Concerning the Protection of the World Cultural and Natural Heritage
153 posted on 02/04/2005 1:54:27 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Life is sexually transmitted.)
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To: farmfriend

Please add me to the "rights, farms, environment" ping. Thanks.


154 posted on 02/04/2005 1:55:33 AM PST by unfortunately a bluestater
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To: All
This has to be one of the best threads I have been on. If I don't get to bed my husband will unplug this computer.

I hope someone brings this subject up again, if you do, please ping me. Night all.

155 posted on 02/04/2005 2:03:28 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: trubluolyguy
"I think the day our government gave over sovereinty to the blue helmeted, sex slaver, oil for food stealing one world gov. types, you will see a second civil war in this country."

Aren't American troops in Kosovo wearing the Blue Beret?
156 posted on 02/04/2005 2:04:38 AM PST by Getsmart64 (..)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

BTW, in an e-mail to me, a British Conservative speaker and writer who is a member of a prestigious social organization (meetings at Buckingham Palace and that sort of thing) recently compared our US ease of buying and owning land to lebensraum--the old WWII Nazi plan to confiscate conquered lands for "living space." Projections like that are an old tactic in such propaganda. That's how messed up information matters regarding our way of life are getting in the convincing political speech of some influential political groups in some other countries. Also, bear in mind the increasing anti-Semitism in most radical environmentalist groups--foreign and domestic.


157 posted on 02/04/2005 2:06:54 AM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: sdpatriot

here;s another good mark for Bush on the 2nd am.

We have started a weapons collection programme composed of two phases. In Phase I, the Government announced general amnesty from 5 to 20 June for voluntary surrender of illicit weapons" — similar to the gun surrender program run by President Clinton's Dept. of Housing and Urban Development, and recently terminated by the Bush administration. Under both the Clinton and the Pakistani program, the targeted weapons firearms owned by civilians, regardless of criminality.
http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel080601.shtml


158 posted on 02/04/2005 2:08:36 AM PST by sdpatriot ("If I know the answer I'll tell you the answer, and if I don't, I'll just respond, cleverly." Rummy)
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To: hedgetrimmer
BUMP!

People thought LOST was a joke at first. Now it's being pushed as polict by our own government.

Anything think the UN is just going away anytime soon? It isn't.

Agenda 21.This is dead serious, people.

159 posted on 02/04/2005 2:11:48 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: familyop
British Conservative?

I thought they had all passed on. Today's Tories sound like Pat Buchanon on one of his "off" days.
160 posted on 02/04/2005 2:18:38 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
"I thought they had all passed on. Today's Tories sound like Pat Buchanon on one of his 'off' days."

...exactly, and well said with regards to many of them. Some reading on the British Mandate period and contemporary commentaries about "empire" was a little educational for me. Hopefully, time will allow for more.
161 posted on 02/04/2005 2:34:20 AM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Caipirabob
Here in Northern Va., there is a 'Moseby Heritage Area' complete with signs on major highways. I wonder if this is part of this plan.
162 posted on 02/04/2005 2:34:51 AM PST by X_CDN_EH (regards wb)
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To: toledocon
""what ifs" and "it mights" and "it coulds""

Sorry bud, but "it" IS. Ain't no if, ands, OR buts about it. Just check the links. EcoLogic Powerhouse also has a lot of information about what is actually happening before YOUR very eyes in YOUR time, to YOUR children's future. You might even invest a few dollars to join EcoLogic if your children's future and indeed the future of all children of the world concerns you A'tall. For, Agenda 21 insures that ALL children's futures will be alike. CONTROLLED by a few unnamed, unelected, irresponsible appointed bureaucrats. It's REAL. Peace and love, George..

163 posted on 02/04/2005 2:39:09 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
"All this handwringing about some 21st century version of the Protocols of Zion:

ABM, Really?? The Jews?? Tell me more. Peace and love, George.

164 posted on 02/04/2005 2:57:04 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: hedgetrimmer
I see the author of this took the same journey I did. We are making some headway in central Pennsylvania on educating people about Agenda 21. DCNR is pushing "PA Wilds" in north central PA, supposedly to promote tourism, but actually a tool to get control of land use and 're-wild' a core bio-reserve. Because the loyal opposition has been spreading the word, DCNR actually mentioned, in one of their 'myths about PA Wilds' brochures, Agenda 21. It was of course in the lying context that any connection between PA Wilds and Agenda 21 was a myth, but it shows that enough people are talking about it that they felt forced to address it.

I do tend to think that most (though not all) of the people implementing this stuff at the local level, state level and even within the bureaucracy really don't understand it either. They think planning councils and visioning sounds like progress - why not break out from the old governmental constraints and really work together for what everyone wants? They don't know about the agenda behind it all. Since I've been to visioning events, I can see how slick the professional facilitators are - they know what THEY are doing!
165 posted on 02/04/2005 2:57:48 AM PST by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: farmfriend

BTTT!!!!!


166 posted on 02/04/2005 3:03:21 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: X_CDN_EH

See my post at 150 for the list of World Heritage Sites in the US...


167 posted on 02/04/2005 3:12:46 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Life is sexually transmitted.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Not to mention the full court press that the MSM and most universities are putting into the promotion of such policies, even if they do not mention UN Agenda 21.

I was dismayed to read in one Op-Ed a nasty rant against the red states because they don't put more public money into public transportation, but rather "waste it" on such things as *gasp* highways.
It really got to me that the bastions of the blue (highly congested cities) believe that not only are we stupid, but also truly believe that we must follow and fund their inner city agenda.

Even here in Florida there was the high speed line fiasco.
Fortunately, that was stopped by the voters, but the choice came down to money for schools or money for a train.

Or vastly increased taxes.

With unlimited immigration and increasing amounts of land being declared off limits, it may well be that this will be the case in a few dozen years, and even if it is not part of a conscious design or plan, the result will be the same.
168 posted on 02/04/2005 3:29:36 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: hedgetrimmer

You need to include a few randomly CAPITALIZED words; extra exclamation marks at the ends of some sentences; and use words like "fedgov" and "comsymp" to really get your point across.


169 posted on 02/04/2005 3:34:11 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: All

Scary Map!!


170 posted on 02/04/2005 3:47:45 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Life is sexually transmitted.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

I think you uncovered the Art Bell wing of Free Republic


171 posted on 02/04/2005 3:47:56 AM PST by philo ("We not only sing , but we can dance just as good as we walk." Archie Bell)
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To: Dat

Sorry about Denial...

You didn't believe they monitored this board, either, I suppose...until the Feds showed up at the home of a Freeper who merely posted here.


172 posted on 02/04/2005 4:14:30 AM PST by Spirited
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To: hedgetrimmer

"Smart Growth" is "Agenda 21"
Posted on 04/01/2001 on FreeRepublic

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3ac76978087e.htm

on FR as recently as
Posted on 01/28/2005..."dangerous frauds, including Agenda 21"
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1331138/posts

Write isn't paying attention LOL


173 posted on 02/04/2005 4:18:17 AM PST by Smartaleck (Tom Delay TX ..."Dems have no ideas, no agenda, no solutions.")
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To: farmfriend

Have you seen all the stuff that is being put out to push for Ahnold for President? I know quite a few people who will go to the mat for this.

Some right here.


174 posted on 02/04/2005 4:19:25 AM PST by Spirited
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To: X_CDN_EH

They're getting us used to the sound.
UVA and Monticello was whisked in in a hurry. They have to be pc. A shame.


175 posted on 02/04/2005 4:37:53 AM PST by Spirited
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To: CyberAnt

This is all too real. I have been up against some of the outshoots from this. One particular organization known as OCTA. Which Senator Hatch of Utah supports. My property has been directly affected and I've had to fight this group, which is and will be a loosing battle. My story is listed at the APC site. You can read it here: http://www.americanpolicy.org/prop/lies.htm You can also do a google search for IdahoOCTA and see that they have posted photo's of my land and have "their" story concerning it listed there as well.
The USA is under siege and has been for a very long time and indeed there are many, many Republicans who not only allow it, but promote it and sanction it.


176 posted on 02/04/2005 5:54:54 AM PST by Sweetjustusnow (You better believe it's real!)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
I appreciate your position on this thread. But I think you are wrong....well, that is not fair...I think you are missing something. And I think those trying to highlight the threat are missing something too.

This is an ideological struggle. You are right that the UN is a bunch of incompetent buffoons. They are right that the UN is seeking, and getting, incremental control over our rights. The situation is that several of our 'rights' are now 'protected' by incompetent buffoons.

But that is not what is so important. Here is what is important...this is a struggle for ideas, and our side isn't fighting. Theirs is. Granted the left is both wrong and incompetent, but they face no organized resistance...so they are gaining ground. That is what this 21 stuff is about...it is their ideology organizing and supporting its efforts. There is no organized ideological resistance.

Most people don't consider the philosophical underpinnings of their political positions. Politics is an extension of philosophy/religion (Philosophy and religion address, ask and answer the same types of questions..they just do it from different starting points). Fundamentally, politics is an extension of individual morality/ethics (clearly reflected in religious teaching) to the group(not nearly so clearly defined, at least in Christianity). Politics is group morality and ethics.

The 'right' in this country derives its politics from a Judeo-Christian morality and philosophy. The 'left' in this country derives its politics from Kantian philosophy (which is the philosophical basis of socialism). They aren't necessarily socialists, but they share the same basic starting point, and end up somewhere pretty close. It is a difference of degree rather than of principle.

I am personally in neither camp...I am in a very tiny minority. The best way to describe where I come from is that our founding fathers were motivated and inspired by both their religion and their philosophy. I share their philosophy. The right today shares their religion. The left shares neither. Despite my differences with the 'religious right' I am allied with you. You and I can live together and respect each others rights...as demonstrated by the early years of our Republic. Neither of us can 'live with' the left because their conception of 'rights' is fundamentally in conflict.

But what is sad and dangerous is that the left is steadily advancing. At the best of times (like now with an R President, R Senate, R House and at least nominally R Supreme Court) the left doesn't advance...but it doesn't truly go back either. I can't think of any ground the left has taken that we have ever 'taken back' The closest is with welfare reform where we cut spending, but only on the condition that we acknowledge that welfare is permanent. We didn't oppose welfare. We didn't declare that is improper to seize the private property of some citizens to distribute to others...the right fought to 'save welfare'

The other thing that I find disheartening is the education system. The very vast majority of students are being indoctrinated with Kantian philosophy. Try teaching how Jesus determined right from wrong in school. But they are taught how to make judgments based on Kant every day. When people talk about morality, they generally think about the 'big picture' and obvious questions like killing. But EVERY judgment is based on the underpinnings. Not just whether or not abortion is murder, but what career to pursue. What time should you get up in the morning? That is a judgment, and a decision, and we all have to answer the question some how.

What is troubling is that so many are being indoctrinated. At best, the next generation strikes a balance between the religious conceptions they get from family and the Kantian philosophy. But what happens in the generation after that when the balance is further to the left? The point is that the left recognizes that they cannot be upfront with the American people because they would be rejected, so they go for slow steady incremental change. And that is exactly what they are doing.

The point that many don't recognize on this thread is that this a monumental ideological struggle. Most here don't quite recognize it as an ideological struggle. You very well may recognize that, but don't recognize that it is a struggle because you are so confident in your ideology/religion.

This 21 stuff is not the apex, but it is emblematic of it. Most people don't legitimately understand the philosophical (and religious) underpinnings of the struggle.

Let me try to build on your Tolkeinesque handle. Imagine the struggle against evil without the council of Elrond, or the alliances between Rohan and Gondor and the elves and the dwarves. That is what we face...the left is organized and advancing steadily, the right is not. All is not lost, but we do have to recognize that we are in a fight, and we have to organize to fight it.

177 posted on 02/04/2005 5:56:10 AM PST by blanknoone (GWB: Saying what he means and meaning what he says)
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To: CyberAnt

As you suggest, the UN can't enforce a bloody thing. However, there are traitors within our own government who will do to the US what the UN cannot.


178 posted on 02/04/2005 6:00:17 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Sorry for both the huge post and the second post. There was a point I alluded to, but never quite made that I think is important. You are right that the UN is a bunch of incompetent buffoons. But the struggle is not against the UN. The UN is a pawn in the game. It is a struggle of ideology. People don't do what they do 'for the UN'. They do what they think is right. The problem is what many think is right...is wrong. And the UN is teaching that that wrong is right, along with our educational establishment, the environmentalist movements, the 'feminist' movement, the 'peace' movement, the labor movement (unions) etc etc &c. And just about the only bulwark America has left, its religous institutions, don't juxtapose their positions with all those listed and show why they are wrong (with the limited exception of the feminists on the one issue of abortion).


179 posted on 02/04/2005 6:04:34 AM PST by blanknoone (GWB: Saying what he means and meaning what he says)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Save for later


180 posted on 02/04/2005 6:09:37 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Kay Ludlow

In fact, we came very close to officially recognizing and implementing Agenda 21 in 1994 when the senate put up the biodiversity treaty for vote.

I, as a few freepers on this post, was skeptical that the UN had a plan to control all land in the US. Then I read the treaty, all 1,044 pages of it.

The treaty was a mish-mash of soft law decrees that ordered the control of American land by law and bureaucratic dictates. Quite simply, it was a fascist document - government control of private property.

After that failed in a senate vote, Clinton started the illegal implementation of this treaty thru the President's Council on Sustainable Development. Many alphabet federal agencies began illegally writing parts of Agenda 21 into their land-use plans.

Clinton and his fascist bureaucrats stole more than a million acres of private property and placed them under federal bureaucratic control via wetland designation, the endangered species act and EPA dictates.

The courts, in a monumental embrace of judicial stupidity, went along with this piracy and called this seizure of private property a "public good." There is no such thing as "public good" in the constitution. It's "public use." Public good is nothing more than the American version of the Marxist "common good."

On the other hand, the courts did give us a few tools to fight these land grabs under Dolan, Nollan, Lucas and First English Evangelical.

And we're getting good, conservative rulings from lower district courts and state courts that will provide ammo to crush Agenda 21. It's up to us to be aware of these lower court rulings and use them against the eco-fascists and their allies in the "smarxist" growth cult.


181 posted on 02/04/2005 6:15:44 AM PST by sergeantdave (Smart growth is Marxist insects agitating for a collective hive.)
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To: Calpernia; Velveeta; Revel; jerseygirl; DAVEY CROCKETT; lacylu; SevenofNine; TapTheSource; ...

Ping


182 posted on 02/04/2005 6:41:57 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: farmfriend

Further up the thread you stated that Davis refused to sign this legislation. Therefore it preceded Schwarzenegger. Whether you want to acknowledge that or not, it is true.

Isn't this fun? Look, I believe he was wrong to sign this. If he talked it up beforehand, I don't think it was right to do so. He WAS NOT THE driving force. He was part of the problem.


183 posted on 02/04/2005 6:56:49 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: pbrown; sdpatriot
fyi: NY Times Full Transcript

Confirmation Hearing of Condoleeza Rice
Published: January 18, 2005

(snip)

LUGAR: And this is a great way to do so.

I would add in agreement, this is also important, the AMEC agreement. We have enlisted the support of Norway and friends who want to work in that area, particularly on the submarine issues and the pollution of nuclear material that may have been dumped or could be dumped without activity on our part. Let me turn to another issue. In your answers to questions for the record -- and I cite that because I've asked this question for the record and you have responded -- I particularly appreciate your response on the Law of the Sea Convention.

You urged the committee to favorably report it out and said that you will work with the Senate leadership to bring the convention and implementing agreement to the floor vote in the 109th Congress.

And you also said the following: Joining the convention will advance the interests of the United States military. The United States, as the country with the largest coastline and the largest exclusive economic zone, will gain economic and resource benefits from the convention. The convention will not inhibit the United States nor its partners from successfully pursuing the Proliferation Security Initiative. And the United Nations has no decision-making role under the convention in regulating uses of the oceans by any state party to the convention.

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LUGAR: That's clearing up an issue sometimes raised by opponents of the convention. Finally, you said, The convention does not provide for or authorize taxation of individuals or corporations. I cannot think of a stronger administration statement in support of the Law of the Sea Convention. Should I assume that the president would like to see this convention passed as soon as possible?

RICE: Would certainly like to see it pass as soon as possible. And, Senator, I think you know the history of this better than I, as well as senators like Senator Warner and others who worked very hard to make sure that some of the early concerns about the convention were addressed and that the convention as it now stands serves our national security interests, serves our economic interests. And we very much want to see it go into force.

184 posted on 02/04/2005 6:57:48 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: toledocon

"seriously people dont sink to the DU's level with ridiculous black helicopter style stories, that are embedded with "what ifs" and "it mights" and "it coulds" and this will "end america" at least at the moment there are to many decent americans that wouldnt let this destroy america"

How old are you? The America that I knew as a boy ceased to exist long ago, it cannot be saved, it would have to be resurrected.


185 posted on 02/04/2005 7:08:39 AM PST by RipSawyer ("Embed" Michael Moore with the 82nd airborne.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

"Frightening and predicted thousands of years ago in Bible prophecy. The good news is that more and more are catching on, but as our freedoms disappear, I fear it will be too late."

I fear it is already too late, friend. Try explaining to some young graduate of the public schools or even the universities that this is not supposed to be a Democracy, try explaining to them that the freedom we used to take for granted ever even existed, let alone that it should be brought back. Try asking them what the Battle of Hastings or the Magna Charta were and when they occurred or even what century the Battle of Gettysburg was fought. Ask them to quote the first line of the Gettysburg address. Those who have no idea from where we came can have no clue as to where we are headed.


186 posted on 02/04/2005 7:14:38 AM PST by RipSawyer ("Embed" Michael Moore with the 82nd airborne.)
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To: pbrown
"We are trying to destroy America ourselves?"

Depends on who you mean by "we". Agenda 21's manifesto preamble resembles the democratic party's. The difference is in scope, the focus is the same. Amongst the Rs, there are those that see opportunity in the scheme and pursue it for their own gain. Regardless of scope, it's the same rubbish that is socialism.

Agenda 21

187 posted on 02/04/2005 7:42:03 AM PST by spunkets
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To: hedgetrimmer

Hmmm...seems to fit also with the "anti-SUV" rants by the MSM over the past few years. The evil SUV will be replaced by these wonderful transportation hubs.

IMO the newly adopted "Anti-Smoking" agenda that has been implemented in many U.S. cities and states, as well as European areas, is also being directed by the U.N. And I am a non-smoker; but I believe in personal rights and freedoms. The anti-smoking campaign is just the start of other freedoms that will be taken away from U.S. citizens. This is all being done in the name of what is good for everyone. It looks like the new "anti" campaign, is the one against fat people.


188 posted on 02/04/2005 8:03:55 AM PST by all4one (My thoughts and prayers are with our soldiers.....and their families)
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To: Indie
Indie...I am bumping this thread to you...FYI.

Big Media Won't Touch Agenda 21

189 posted on 02/04/2005 8:06:33 AM PST by all4one (My thoughts and prayers are with our soldiers.....and their families)
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To: Coleus; take

Have you seen this thread yet? You might find it interesting.


190 posted on 02/04/2005 8:17:36 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: struggle

Unlike Iraq, where our nation has risen to help free the people after decades of oppression and tyranny,if the US should fall under government tyranny, there is no nation left on Earth with the resources, or the will to help us.

It will be our own fight and with just under 50% of the people already squeemish about trading blood for freedom in other places, a few freepers could be hunted down as "insurgents". The people behind the world government agenda are well shielded from the wrath of the people.
The current domination of politics by two parties proves there is little difference between the two agendas. The only disagreement is how to implement socialism. And over the past decade, much has been damaged with little recourse to get repaired.
Bush may not be directly involved, but guaranteed there are many in high places promoting agenda 21. Much of the agenda is being implemented disquised as "homeland security" and "resource management". Most of those policys are implemented without even a procedural vote from congress. Autonomy of government agencys to self dictate policy and agenda are only affected by budgetary appropriations, not content of regulations.

And unfortunately, most of America is uninformed and uncaring about what happens elsewhere. Half of America was almost scammed into voting for Kerry, even with his lousy record of accomplishment. Those people obviously will be of no help to stop Agenda 21.


191 posted on 02/04/2005 8:22:49 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: nw_arizona_granny
I investigated Agenda 21 several years ago.

The American people have no idea of the money and power behind this organization. It's an octopus with it's tentacles spread all over the world.

192 posted on 02/04/2005 8:33:12 AM PST by TexasCowboy (Ignorance is temporary and correctible; stupidity is voluntary and permanent)
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To: toledocon

48% of Americans voted for Kerry last election. These people are already hopeless and cannot be counted on.
The clock is already ticking. So sitting on your hands to wait for you to be directly affected is exactly why there is little resistance already. Try connecting the dots.
Neighborhood associations, regional planning comissions, eminent domain, annexation, conservation etc. It all leads to the source of the ideas.


193 posted on 02/04/2005 8:33:53 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: hedgetrimmer

Thanks hedgetrimmer for this well researched informative post. Your efforts are appreciated. This is something that I had thought was occuring with regard to the land grabs for open space. But I had no idea that there was an underlying infrastructure like Agenda 21.

I have also noticed an up-swing in land grabs in the name of "Emminent Domain"....the taking of private lands by local, state, gov. for use for "the good of everyone". I work in the building industry, so this info. is part of my daily life.


194 posted on 02/04/2005 8:35:33 AM PST by all4one (My thoughts and prayers are with our soldiers.....and their families)
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To: Spirited
Have you seen all the stuff that is being put out to push for Ahnold for President?

I will work with every fiber to not let that happen.

195 posted on 02/04/2005 9:12:28 AM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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sustainable development, euphemism for abortion, population control, control of Sovereign American Land by UN committees, etc. Planning to control populations and trees which lowers the creation of man to the level of a plant or  tree in a forest.   And people wonder why in 1973 the USA made the destruction of the baby in the womb legal while during the same year  enacted the Endangered Species Act which gave federal legal rights and protections to spotted owls, alligators, humpback whales, species of weeds, algae, fish, spiders, brine shrimp, etc. and yet we laugh when these demonic, satanic and pagan UN programs are developed and implemented.  In addition, land/property rights happen to be a Holy Institution granted by G-d to humanity through Abraham and Moses; it's nothing to take lightly or jokingly.  Firefighters die while fish live.

The Preamble of the UN Earth Charter states:

… we are one human family and one Earth community with a common destiny. We must join together to bring forth a sustainable global society founded on respect for nature.... Towards this end, it is imperative that we, the peoples of Earth, declare our responsibility to one another, to the greater community of life, and to future generations.

Lies and the Lying Land Grabbers Who Tell Them

UNCED -- United Nations Conference on Environment and Development

AGENDA 21    

A major achievement of UNCED was Agenda 21 a thorough and broad-ranging program of actions demanding new ways of investing in our future to reach global sustainable development in the 21st century. Its recommendations ranged from new ways to educate, to new ways to care for natural resources, and new ways to participate in designing a sustainable economy. The overall ambition of Agenda 21 was breathtaking, for its goal was nothing less than to make a safe and just world in which all life has dignity and is celebrated.

Click here for the text of Agenda 21.

Click here for a Press Summary of Agenda21.  [ French]  [ Spanish ]

Timeline to Global Governance   Key players of Millennium Project

HABITAT II – U.N. Housing Requirements

Brainwashing/education  Global Governance – key international players

Professor Jeffrey Sachs, Millennium Goals Project  Rocky Mountain Institute

Henry Lamb      The Sustainable Development Institute

American Policy Center – Tom DeWeese  invasive species legislation:   

the Wild lands Project, Smart Growth Project

American Farmland Trust & the Nature Conservancy & OSU

Human Settlements – goals         ***Education for sustainability: An Agenda Action 
United Nations dissolves USA Sovereignty Visioning Training-How To Re-Envision People and Communities  People and their organizations and schemes  
How to force visioning upon the public as quoted from the United Nation’s Agenda 21 document
 
World Summit on Sustainable Development

Sustainable development: Erosion of freedom – Part 1
Sustainable development: Erosion of freedom – Part 2

Score One for Bush
A U.N. conference concludes without too much permanent damage.


United States of America: Properties inscribed on the World Heritage List:

Convention Concerning the Protection of the World Cultural and Natural Heritage

UN and US forest
Land conservancies are gobbling up land all over America

Agenda 21 on Google Search  World Heritage Committee

NEW WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION CHIEF INVOLVED IN [abortifacient] POPULATION CONTROL VACCINE SCANDAL

POPULATION CONTROL, THE FINAL SOLUTION (1 of 3)
POPULATION CONTROL, THE FINAL SOLUTION (2 of 3)
POPULATION CONTROL, THE FINAL SOLUTION (3 of 3)Role of the United Nations in Population Control

196 posted on 02/04/2005 9:54:05 AM PST by Coleus (Brooke Shields aborted how many children? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1178497/posts)
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...

Thanks hedgetrimmer


197 posted on 02/04/2005 9:54:57 AM PST by Coleus (Brooke Shields aborted how many children? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1178497/posts)
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To: Coleus

Wow, what a great compilation.


198 posted on 02/04/2005 9:55:57 AM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: philo

Who's Art Bell?


199 posted on 02/04/2005 10:02:10 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown
when he was on full time, his show had the 6th-largest talk show audience in America where it was on in the early am in most parts of the country. Talked about UFO's and other phenomena. At times he had on some "traditional" scientists, authors and the like who were very interesting.

I was introduced to Fr. Malachi Martin, an adviser to Pope John XXIII and an exorcist while listening to a repeat broadcast about 10 yrs. ago.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
200 posted on 02/04/2005 10:14:35 AM PST by Coleus (Brooke Shields aborted how many children? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1178497/posts)
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