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Big Media Won't Touch Agenda 21
SierraTimes.com ^ | Feb 3, 2005 | Nancy Levant

Posted on 02/03/2005 10:37:05 PM PST by hedgetrimmer

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To: hedgetrimmer

Some rep(R) in the GA statehouse is attempting to establish the mechanics in GA now. Private enterprise(orgs) propose projects and work with gov't and w/o giving prior notice, or bids, simply go ahead with the private proposal. The use of emminet domain to enable the public works "proposals" is a key part.


51 posted on 02/03/2005 11:33:49 PM PST by spunkets
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
What's happening in U.S. schools?
WorldNetDaily
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27440

"Santa Cruz is one of the first cities to adopt a "Local Agenda 21" program. For 10 years, a local group has been promoting the implementation of Agenda 21 recommendations. Almost every community now has some local group promoting Agenda 21 policies, but using names such as "St. Louis 2004," or "[your town] 2020." These plans focus primarily on planning, open space, zoning, land-use restrictions, heritage sites, and the like. They also contain educational elements, based on Chapters 21 and 25 of Agenda 21."
52 posted on 02/03/2005 11:34:25 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: familyop
Or is the publishing of news about the whole Agenda 21 (and related local efforts) thing against your interests?

Check out my profile. I'm not fronting for some interest which wishes to remain invisible (yet posts all it's plans on the www). My organization does have a website. It's www.navy.mil. I don't think we're part of this grand conspiracy, but I'll keep my eyes open.

I'd be fascinated to hear some of you alarmists' take on the Iraq War? Is that part of this coordinated effort? A distraction so the UN and Elders of Zion can continue their plan to make Soylent Green a reality in Amerika?
53 posted on 02/03/2005 11:36:44 PM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth; CyberAnt
BIG GREEN : Inside the Nature Conservancy Nonprofit Land Bank Amasses Billions
Washington Post

Feds seize family's ranch
World Net Daily

An Analysis of Arnold Schwarzenegger's Environmental Policy
Mark Vande Pol

CA: The California Performance Review: Devolving Constitutional Government in the Golden State
Advance Bulletin

54 posted on 02/03/2005 11:37:17 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Bookmarked.

This is the first I've heard of it....thanks.

55 posted on 02/03/2005 11:37:54 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: hedgetrimmer; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; AMDG&BVMH; amom; ..
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
56 posted on 02/03/2005 11:38:33 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
"Agenda 21 is just another utopian UN fanstasy that will collapse under the wieght of the UN's corruption and venality. "

The weight of the UN's corruption and venality must be what's keeping it pinned down alongside the river there in NY.

57 posted on 02/03/2005 11:39:17 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Spirited

You're deep into kook territory now.


58 posted on 02/03/2005 11:40:38 PM PST by Dat
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth; hedgetrimmer
Also from WorldNetDaily

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28704
Sustainable development: Erosion of freedom – Part 2 Friday, August 23, 2002 by Henry Lamb -- Terms such as Smart Growth, urban boundaries, greenbelt, brownfield, infill and open space lace the literature of sustainable development. Rarely, however, is the term "Agenda 21" found in this literature, even though it is the document thro ..."

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28669
Sustainable development: Erosion of freedom – Part 1 Tuesday, August 20, 2002 by Henry Lamb -- The World Summit on Sustainable Development will convene Aug. 26 to Sept. 4, in Johannesburg, South Africa, to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the birth of "sustainable development." This concept was given life when more than 150 nati ..."

Thanks for the prompt to disseminate this info more often from now on.

And to all others here:

Don't sell your vacant properties to large scale developers. Develop them yourself, sell them to very small business builders, or hold them for your children.
59 posted on 02/03/2005 11:43:09 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Why do you think those ordeals were such abject failures? Because the UN doesn't really care about those, it just takes the attention off of their true intentions, world domination. How could we have been so blind? I didn't know it had gone so far. Jeez, I wonder ,looking at the dates, what President's watch all of these plans and agreements were implemented under. I'll give you 3 guesses, and you know the rest.
60 posted on 02/03/2005 11:45:27 PM PST by Free2BeMe
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To: Spirited
I'm intreiged with Agenda 21.

I know the Sea of Treaty Law gives the UN the power to tax us on certain things.

61 posted on 02/03/2005 11:46:02 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Spirited
I'm intrigued with Agenda 21.

I know the Sea of Treaty Law gives the UN the power to tax us on certain things.

62 posted on 02/03/2005 11:46:15 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Yep, I am one of those. It irked me no end to find out that the Liberty Bell is now under the ownership of the UN.


63 posted on 02/03/2005 11:49:19 PM PST by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Yes, for the most part that's true.


64 posted on 02/03/2005 11:49:31 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: familyop

The large developers are well funded. They tend the local councils and they in turn are grateful. The local councils are usually composed of folks that love these ideas. That's why they're there in the first place.


65 posted on 02/03/2005 11:49:40 PM PST by spunkets
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To: familyop
Haven't you been reading lately where private homes and property have been seized without the owners oking it?

Almost daily there are people who are upset at the Imminent domain policy being used by cooperations to steal property.

66 posted on 02/03/2005 11:50:28 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
"When strong, feign weakness, when weak, feign strength." (Sun Tsu, The Art of War).

Admittedly there are many notable corrupt and incompetent appearing figureheads at the UN, Heck, the Congress seems that way, too.

Don't let that blind you to the career staffers whose competence keeps the wheels turning in both organizations.

The ones doing the armwaving in front are a cover for the dangerous ones in the shadows.

67 posted on 02/03/2005 11:51:25 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (Note to self on lemmings: never get between the herd and the water.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth; GVgirl
NH 2020 was the version they tried up in Grass Valley.

Developing Natural Heritage 2020 is an ambitious undertaking and in recognition of this fact, the County is partnering with the Sierra Business Council (SBC), a local organization with demonstrated expertise in conservation planning, public participation strategy design and other skills, to help complete the project.

This was all funded by the Packard Foundation.

68 posted on 02/03/2005 11:51:47 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: CyberAnt

"The UN cannot even find it's way to the bathroom - let alone dissolve America's sovereignty"

that's funny.


69 posted on 02/03/2005 11:54:20 PM PST by ArmyBratproud
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To: farmfriend

I knew something was happening in this country concerning all the property being taken away for citizens. Until now I couldn't put it all together, something was missing. Agenda 21 just tied it all together for me.


70 posted on 02/03/2005 11:54:36 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

The Navy is certainly a good organization.


71 posted on 02/03/2005 11:55:13 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: pbrown
away for citizens.

Should read-----away 'from' citizens.

72 posted on 02/03/2005 11:56:02 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown
You can see what we are up against by the posts here on FR. If we get this kind of reaction from politically savvy conservatives, imagine what we get from the general populace.
73 posted on 02/03/2005 11:57:40 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: familyop
Regarding The Law of Sea Treaty, anyone who loves Reagan will note that he refused to sign that treaty in 1982, but in 1994....Clinton did sign it.

What does that tell you about the treaty?

74 posted on 02/03/2005 11:59:58 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: farmfriend
Well I believe Agenda 21 is real. All the puzzle pieces fall into place now.

Let them scoff. We'll see who gets it if this comes to fruition.

75 posted on 02/04/2005 12:02:22 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: farmfriend

Schwarzenegger is about 1/100,000ths as important as the NGOs themselves are. That's because their members are out there helping to network these across the nation, one community at a time. Selling grandma and grandpa on the concept of willing their property to the state or some conservency is one of their methods. Another is for them to convince communities that they should buy up land and place it off limits.

Schwarzenegger was an idiot for doing what he did, but he'll be gone in a few years and the conservancies will still be around. We need to focus on destroying them. Frankly destroying Arnold's future viability as a candidate would a a good secondary goal.

Let's face it, the conservancy you are upset about, would have become reality just about no matter what. Only if Tom would have won would it have been struck down. That wasn't going to happen.


76 posted on 02/04/2005 12:03:04 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Free2BeMe
Because the UN doesn't really care about those, it just takes the attention off of their true intentions, world domination.* How could we have been so blind? I didn't know it had gone so far. Jeez, I wonder ,looking at the dates, what President's watch all of these plans and agreements were implemented under. I'll give you 3 guesses, and you know the rest.

*Those exact words have been uttered before. Many times. But this time, it's really happening, is that what you're saying?

An organization that can't even carry off a 2nd rate kickback scheme aspires to world domination. Really?

Their reach exceeds their grasp.

If you want to shiver around the campfire, think of the possibility of some Islamofascist group getting their hands on biological weapons.

The feckless one-world idiots at the UN and their toadies in the leftist foundations aren't even in the top five of things we truly should be worried about.

All this handwringing about some 21st century version of the Protocols of Zion is merely some peoples' way of avoiding thought about real world threats that are truly frightening.

An Islamofascist movement that is trying to annihilate us? Or a bunch of boobs who can't even get bribery right trying to run the world?

I know which one frightens me. It's not the U.N. And this isn't the 1990s. And Clintigula isn't the Emperor any more.
77 posted on 02/04/2005 12:04:21 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: familyop

Thanks for posting that article. I am going to forward it along to some folks who need some help in Oklahoma.


78 posted on 02/04/2005 12:07:21 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: All

Did you know that under the provisions of L.O.S.T. mandate that the United States must share certain technologies with other countries? These technologies will include military secrets?


79 posted on 02/04/2005 12:08:18 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
And just who would you say protects the islamofacist?

The UN!!!!!

They protect all the potentates in Africa and beyond.

80 posted on 02/04/2005 12:10:50 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: hedgetrimmer

What a lot of folks don't understand, it's not necessary or required to actually own something to control it.


81 posted on 02/04/2005 12:11:45 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: All
ON THE NET...


UN.org: "Welcome to the UN. It's Your World."

UN.org: "UNITED NATIONS DIVISION FOR SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT AGENDA 21" (UN WEB SITE SNIPPET: "Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which human impacts on the environment.")

"UNglobalCompact.org"

www.itu.int/wsis: "WSIS: THE WORLD SUMMIT ON THE INFORMATION SOCIETY"

GLOBAL POLICY FORUM

82 posted on 02/04/2005 12:12:33 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Free2BeMe; forester

It appears to be very much part of the land. Thanks for posting the article, I've sent it along to some of my timber owning friends here in Santa Cruz County CA


83 posted on 02/04/2005 12:13:25 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Protocols of Zion

What is that?

84 posted on 02/04/2005 12:16:23 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Rwanda's 800.000 dead is NOT and example of buffoonery. It IS and example of an organization with extraordinary power in the world with an utter lack of respect for human life and human endeavors. The UN is right in league with Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot when it comes to the destruction of human life. That is not incompetence or buffoonery. It is evil.
85 posted on 02/04/2005 12:20:43 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: DoughtyOne
Let's face it, the conservancy you are upset about, would have become reality just about no matter what.

I doubt that. Davis did veto it remember. It would not have passes except that it was pushed by Arnold.

86 posted on 02/04/2005 12:22:04 AM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

I agree. And the UN just sits back and watches. Look at Darfur today, same thing happening again. But the UN will not call it genocide.


87 posted on 02/04/2005 12:23:27 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth; hedgetrimmer

It was Amendment 24 in Colorado in 2000, with mentions of "smart growth," "sustainable development" and the like. We defeated it. ...might have also been a county (non-amendment) ballot issue on that here then. Hedgetrimmer, you might want to have your Oklahoma acquaintainces search and look over the information on the Web about the Colorado episode.

Keywords: colorado "Amendment 24"
(with the quotes)

You'll see many more hits than the following with those keywords in the search engine.

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Basic information on Amendment 24
http://www.egreeley.com/messages/124.html

Basic information on Amendment 24
Submitted by Roxanne Fry on 07:55:23 09/23/00:

Amendment 24, a proposal by the Colorado Environmental Coalition, mandates that local governments comply with statewide provisions stipulated in the amendment to limit growth. Under the amendment, local governments must designate “committed growth areas” where development is underway and designate “ future growth areas” where development may occur over a determined period of time. The voters at a November election shall approve these Growth area maps, and a corresponding growth impact statement. Any subsequent amendment to the Growth Area Map must be placed before the voters within the jurisdiction at a subsequent November election. This 2,200-word amendment to the Colorado Constitution opens the doors to serious implications for affordable housing, agriculture, economic development, and business.

· IMPOSSIBLE TO GROW YOUR BUSINESS. The amendment locks us into a “growth area” or a “no growth area”, and then makes it virtually impossible to obtain approval for business expansion, office buildings, commercial centers, and development, much less future schools, roads, and homes outside of urban areas.

· REDUCED LAND VALUES. If voters fail to approve growth area maps, farm and ranch land near urban areas would diminish in value dramatically.

· COSTLY LITIGATION. The threat of litigation will prevent local governments from instating “Smart Growth” management plans.

· INFRINGES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. Landowners trying to divide even one tract of land would be prohibited from doing so unless voters approve an amendment to a growth area map.

· HOUSING COSTS. This amendment will drive up the costs of new homes and restricts the available affordable housing. Housing will be so expensive that many of our public servants like teachers, policemen and firefighters will not be able to live in the communities they serve.

· COSTLY ELECTIONS. Requires costly and confusing citywide and countywide elections once a year to amend growth maps to allow any growth. All plans of would be sent to all voters prior to election.

· ENDS LOCAL CONTROL. Requires the consent of adjacent local governments to change a growth area map. The initiative says that growth area maps “shall not conflict with or overlap” existing or proposed growth areas of another local government. So one local government can be held hostage by a neighboring government. The initiative transfers a portion of the approval process from those living in a locality to citizens in adjacent towns and counties.

· FORCES A $60 MILLION PRICE TAG ON TAXPAYERS. This measure wastes your taxes on red tape and severely reduces hard to come by affordable housing. It will push unfounded mandates on local government. Crippling financial obligations will be imposed on cites and counties.

· ADDS 2200 WORDS TO THE COLORADO CONSTITUTION. Amends the Constitution with over 2200 words of complex procedures to limit local governments and to outline citizens’ management of growth. This “one-size-fits-all” approach opens the door to devastating unintended consequences.

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88 posted on 02/04/2005 12:24:50 AM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
No, It isn't really happening "this time", it's been happening all along. As far as shivering around the campfire, I base my opinions in reality and can see what's clearly under my nose. When is the last time you researched all the UN involvement in U.S. policy? The breadth is truly staggering.
The terrorist ARE a real threat, but we also are aware of that threat. It's the snake you don't see that bites you. But then what's the point of arguing with someone who's user name is a Demon from Lord of the Rings? ;)
89 posted on 02/04/2005 12:25:14 AM PST by Free2BeMe
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

I definitely don't want to argue with you. I also thank you for your loyalty and serving our country.

It is just that some of us are probably older and have noticed more.

I don't recall the exact moment that we found out who attacked us on 9/11 but I do recall we had foreign jets in our skies almost immediately afterwards. Not American jets. For some reason I never felt safe with our air sovereignty being given to foreigners for that period of time. I know I would have felt better to have our own Navy jets guarding our country.


90 posted on 02/04/2005 12:28:45 AM PST by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

You won't be laughing when it starts effecting your life. Don't you find it odd that Mrs Heinz is funding some of the most radical US style terror groups in the country ? It's no secret on Capitol Hill. Isn't it odd that the ACLU gets funding from our own government ? The passion play is playing out right before our eyes.


91 posted on 02/04/2005 12:30:13 AM PST by John Lenin
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To: pbrown

Yes, I saw some of the news about the recent Imminent Domain case. I don't recall about the Law of the Sea Treaty, though.


92 posted on 02/04/2005 12:31:05 AM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: farmfriend

It would not have become law without his signature, but the idea that he was the driving force behind it is a little inaccurate IMO.


93 posted on 02/04/2005 12:31:08 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Dat
Canada's first report to the United Nations Commission on Sustainable Development (UN CSD) describes past and current activities to implement Agenda 21, which was signed at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development held in Rio de Janeiro in June 1992.

Sustainable Transportation, Prepared in connection with Canada's participation at the meeting of the United Nations Commission on Sustainable Development April 1997
94 posted on 02/04/2005 12:31:46 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: pbrown
It's the Propaganda book written about world domination by Jews and is believed to have ignited antisemitism which helped fuel the Holocaust.
What's so strange is that he mentioned the Protocols and I looked it up earlier today because I read something about it on WND and had never heard of it. What a weird coincidence.
95 posted on 02/04/2005 12:32:32 AM PST by Free2BeMe
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To: DoughtyOne

He campaigned on it. He pushed it whether you want to believe it or not.


96 posted on 02/04/2005 12:33:26 AM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: texastoo

i've known about this for years.... i was called nuts 20+ yeras ago...

what's your opinion on W? do you think he is a Rockefeller Republican? i have a hard time believing he is.. have you read any of Dave Kopel? after Bush managed to stop the UN small arms confiscation i started thinking he was on our side. what do you think?


97 posted on 02/04/2005 12:35:56 AM PST by sdpatriot ("If I know the answer I'll tell you the answer, and if I don't, I'll just respond, cleverly." Rummy)
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To: DoughtyOne
The Sierra Nevada Mountain Range is one of the state's crown jewels. Yet, unlike many of California's other natural treasures, it has no conservancy. As Governor I will propose establishment of a Sierra Nevada Mountains Conservancy.

98 posted on 02/04/2005 12:37:15 AM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: familyop
Oh my! The L.O.S.T. is a spoke in the wheel of the UN having control of over 70% of the earth's surface and natural resources. That is what L.O.S.T. is about....and here's the kicker, President Bush and Condi Rice agree with it. I think she spoke about it at her confirmation hearing last week. Go back into her transcripts of you can.

You really need to look into it. It's a mind-blower what America gives up to the UN.

99 posted on 02/04/2005 12:38:42 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Re: After about six months of reading...

It shows. Your posts and opinions are appreciated!
100 posted on 02/04/2005 12:39:46 AM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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