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Big Media Won't Touch Agenda 21
SierraTimes.com ^ | Feb 3, 2005 | Nancy Levant

Posted on 02/03/2005 10:37:05 PM PST by hedgetrimmer

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To: hedgetrimmer
Let's put our heads together and figure this out. Definitely worth while. B4Ranch any ideas?

I agree. We should put our heads together. Anyone with the financial resources to create a nation wide version of TBPA/TBK?

651 posted on 02/06/2005 6:57:39 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: pbrown
Americans Freedom From the UN.........A.F.F.U.N.?????Just juggling it a bit.

Foundation for a Free America?

652 posted on 02/06/2005 6:59:35 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: B4Ranch
Americans at War Freedom from the UN

I like that one.

653 posted on 02/06/2005 7:00:52 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: Paul_Denton

If all the state chapters got together on this it could be done. Some states don't have chapters, maybe we could get some going too.


654 posted on 02/06/2005 7:02:45 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: pbrown

Americans for Independance from the UN?


655 posted on 02/06/2005 7:04:22 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: Paul_Denton
Someone suggested, Stop the United Nations...S.U.N.

The name could imply, you get too close, you're gonna get burned.

Americans at War,Freedom from the UN. A comma would have to be placed there, wouldn't it? For the slight pause.

656 posted on 02/06/2005 7:13:02 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown; All

The John Birch Society for many, many years has had a "Get US out of the UN" drive. Of course, that organization's credibility was smeared by the powers that be. The attacks though undeserved, were successful. Nonetheless the JBS continues and through its online bookstore sells anti-UN bumper stickers. I bought one that says "The U.N. is Not Your Friend," though I never affixed it to my bumper. Perhaps its time that I did. Morever it might be effective for everyone reading this thread---and I'm delighted and surprised at how well-informed most of you are--- to order and affix bumper stickers on your cars. If enough of us do this, perhaps others will take notice and join the campaign to rid our involvement with the U.N.


657 posted on 02/06/2005 7:35:39 PM PST by Dixielander
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To: Dixielander
I've been to the Birch Society site. It's a good one.

Display your bumper sticker with pride. An American, who puts America's interest over the UN's.

658 posted on 02/06/2005 7:44:25 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: B4Ranch

Yep.


659 posted on 02/06/2005 7:51:58 PM PST by glock rocks (We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty.)
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To: Paul_Denton

bttt


660 posted on 02/06/2005 7:58:54 PM PST by meema
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To: pbrown

I like SUN. And yeah. I dunno if the common would be good or bad though.


661 posted on 02/06/2005 8:09:59 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: Paul_Denton
It just sounded like two seperate ideas to me. Americans at war.

Freedom from the UN.

Then again, you don't wanna know my punciation and English grade either....lol

Have you ever hear of "Move America Forward"? They are a group working to get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US. Their numbers are growing.

662 posted on 02/06/2005 8:21:39 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown
Cool

LOL my english and punctation are under the weather too.

I heard of them. Yes. They are one of the best groups.

663 posted on 02/06/2005 8:25:56 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: Paul_Denton

Have you signed their petition to get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US?


664 posted on 02/06/2005 8:30:26 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

Yep I did. I signed that the first time I ever saw it.


665 posted on 02/06/2005 8:33:37 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: Paul_Denton

Good, my fellow American.


666 posted on 02/06/2005 8:39:25 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

Please Lord, I didn't see that I would be typing on that unholy number.


667 posted on 02/06/2005 8:40:46 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

You did that purely unintentional. If anythgn epitomizes that number its the UN itself.


668 posted on 02/06/2005 8:52:18 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: Paul_Denton
When my eyes lighted on what number it was, my stomach turned. I said a quick prayer.

It is a number that belongs to the UN, they are Godless.

669 posted on 02/06/2005 9:09:15 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Dixielander
A simple google search of "a new definition of sovereignty"+UN will pull up some good articles, many of them in favor of this new world order.

http://www.21stcenturytryst.org/nation.doc

What has happened to the nation state in this new system? First it has become less aggressive. Indeed the new system is possible only because the imperial urge seems to have died in European states. It is striking that the developed world as a whole is neglecting the many fine opportunities for imperialism which are open to it, eg in Africa or in the Balkans. It may be that European states have come to understand that the costs of war or colonies far exceed any possible benefits. Wealth and power today depend not on the acreage of land owned but on skills, capital and technology.

Second, states have become more open. Especially in Europe the distinction between external and internal affairs is increasingly hard to sustain. International treaties permit challenge inspection not only of armies but also of prisons (Council of Europe Convention on Torture), abattoirs, and beaches. European negotiating processes determine the price of agricultural products, the amount of fish that can be caught and the way animals are looked after in zoos.

Thirdly in a world of growing individualism there is growing sympathy for other individuals. International news media can make events in distant lands dramatic and immediate. Against this background the morality of Machiavelli is no longer sustainable. Governments have to follow the concerns of voters. Most people do not want to belong to states which behave according to raison d’état, disregarding moral issues. Governments are obliged to take account of issues such as human rights and environmental damage.

Fourthly the network of international agreements to which almost all states subscribe has radically limited their freedom of action. Admittedly it would be possible to tear up all treaties and to refuse to operate international agreements; but no state could gain by this. The cumulative effect of international agreements and of the written and unwritten rules of the international system is to limit the freedom of action of the individual state very considerably. The image of Gulliver bound by the thousand silken threads of the Lilliputians (which was often applied to Germany) could be applied to Leviathan.

What, in this situation, is the meaning of sovereignty? If sovereignty is defined as a state’s monopoly on law and force within its own territory, then it exists today only in an attenuated form. The monopoly on law has been weakened by every international treaty obligation. In particular for European countries the monopoly has been broken by the creation of an alternative source of law in the collective law making capacities of the European institutions. The monopoly on force is circumscribed in a number of ways: by alliance obligations, by arms control treaties, by international institutions such as the UN, and in some special cases by the (contested) right of humanitarian intervention.

As we approach the end of the 21st century a new definition of sovereignty is needed. If sovereignty no longer means the monopoly on law and force what then does it mean? Probably it is best defined today as the right to cooperate, the right to reach international agreements, the right to a seat at the table.

670 posted on 02/06/2005 9:12:29 PM PST by GeronL (2-7-72 is my birthday, in lieu of gifts, just send me cash)
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To: Paul_Denton; pbrown

Its more than just the UN we're fighting


671 posted on 02/06/2005 9:14:55 PM PST by GeronL (2-7-72 is my birthday, in lieu of gifts, just send me cash)
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To: pbrown

How about Sovereingnty International?


672 posted on 02/06/2005 9:15:54 PM PST by GeronL (2-7-72 is my birthday, in lieu of gifts, just send me cash)
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To: pbrown
It is a number that belongs to the UN, they are Godless.

I agree. That was what I meant by epitomy.

673 posted on 02/06/2005 9:16:32 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: GeronL
Its more than just the UN we're fighting

Our enemies all have some connections to the UN though. The UN is a dictator's country club and meeting place.

674 posted on 02/06/2005 9:20:52 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: Paul_Denton

bump


675 posted on 02/06/2005 9:21:47 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: Paul_Denton
yup and people should wonder what their local United Nations Associations have been up to. Making presentations in schools maybe?

Why did the United Nations University have something called the UN Legitimacy Project?? - and why did they check in to look at my old 'geocities' website years back?

676 posted on 02/06/2005 9:23:08 PM PST by GeronL (2-7-72 is my birthday, in lieu of gifts, just send me cash)
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To: GeronL; hedgetrimmer

Thanks to you both for the articles on a new definition of sovereignty.

GeronL, the article you posted is nightmarish:
its outright lies and spin are deplorable. Its still hard for me to accept that people in their right minds would go along with the godless New World Order.


677 posted on 02/06/2005 9:31:21 PM PST by Dixielander
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To: GeronL

Good question. Before I started home schooled I got various liberal and UN-propaganda shoved in my face in publik school. Of course I knew it was not true, I come from an anti-UN and anti-liberal military family.


678 posted on 02/06/2005 9:32:38 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: GeronL

They are the touchstone. The internationalist in this country, "OUR" politicans will lose their main base, the UN. We have to start somewhere. And, they are a good place to start.


679 posted on 02/06/2005 9:33:55 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

Notice that my note to you in not at the 666 number. However, I want to call to your attention in the event that you don't already know it that the U.N. Meditation Room is replete with occult symbolisms, and is maintained by either the Theosophical Society or the Lucius (formerly Lucifer) Trust. (I can't remember which, but both are involved with U.N. matters.)

There's also a little book "The Cult of the All-Seeing Eye" that is still in print that provides much detail about the Meditation Room.


680 posted on 02/06/2005 9:38:57 PM PST by Dixielander
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To: Dixielander

Wow, I never knew that.


681 posted on 02/06/2005 9:51:03 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: Dixielander
Hitler was deep into the occult as well. I didn't know the UN was into that, doesn't surprise me in the least somehow.

Why is the UN allowed to have such a room as that?

If I had seen that number I never would have typed. It gives me the creeps.

682 posted on 02/06/2005 9:56:08 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Paul_Denton; pbrown

A Metacrawler web search turned up this particularly revealing article about the U.N. Meditation Room. Perhaps you'd like to read it:

http://www.diakrisis.org/un_occultism.htm


683 posted on 02/06/2005 10:25:51 PM PST by Dixielander
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To: Paul_Denton

bump


684 posted on 02/07/2005 5:47:17 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Taking vast tracts of land, also, raises the price of remaining land, so that very few can own it. Which, if I understand the article, is part of the agenda.


685 posted on 02/07/2005 6:00:21 AM PST by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: Dixielander
Thank you for the article.

They are all freakin' crazy over at the UN.

686 posted on 02/07/2005 6:04:40 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Thank you for the ping. I haven't read all of the posts, but I do believe that we are being destroyed from within.

Power and greed are the vines interlacing this planet.


687 posted on 02/07/2005 6:06:32 AM PST by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
PARANOIA ALERT
688 posted on 02/07/2005 6:09:44 AM PST by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: hedgetrimmer; everyone

This is not what I'd planned to bring up for discussion today, but it is outrageous enough for posting here:

PLEASE SHARE WITH ALL YOU KNOW. POST EVERYWHERE YOU CAN. WE MUST ACT NOW!!
ATTENTION:
This action MUST be STOPPED!!
WE NEED YOUR HELP!!!



Our right to choose our vitamin, mineral and other supplements may end in June of this year (2005).

After that, US supplements will be defined and controlled by the World Trade Organization (WTO) and the World Health Organization (WHO).

It is called the CODEX ALIMENTARIUS (food code) and it is setting the supplement standards for all countries in the WTO. CODEX met secretly in November, 2004 and finalized ‘Step 8 (the final stage)’ to begin implementation in June, 2005, severely restricting the use and availability of numerous vitamins, minerals and other supplements.

The US president and congress agreed to the take over when the WTO treaty was signed, therefore these supplement standards WILL BE ENFORCED BY THE WTO AND WILL OVERRIDE US LAWS. CODEX violations are/will be punished by WTO trade sanctions.

CODEX Includes:

No supplement can be sold for preventive or therapeutic use.

Any potency higher than RDA (recommended daily allowance, aka minimal strength) is a ‘drug’ requiring a prescription and must be produced by drug companies. Over 5000 safe items now in health stores will be banned, terminating health stores as we now know them.

CODEX regulations become binding internationally.
New supplements are banned unless given very expensive CODEX testing and approval.

CODEX now applies to Norway and Germany, among others, where:
Zinc tablets rose from $4 per bottle to $52.
Echinacea (an ancient immune-enhancement herb) rose from $14 to $153.
Both examples above are now allowed by prescription only. They are now ‘drugs’.

Vitamin C above 200mg? Banned for over-the-counter. Sold as a prescription drug only.
Niacin above 32 mg? Banned for over-the-counter. Sold as a prescription drug only.
Bitamin B6 above 4 mg? Banned for over-the-counter. Sold as a prescription drug only.
Same for Amino Acids like arginine, lysine, carnitine, etc.
Same for the Omega Essential Fatty Acids and many more supplements including DMEA, DHEA, CoQ10, MSM, beta-carotene, etc.

The CODEX rules are not based on real science. They were made by a few people meeting in secret (see web sites below); not necessarily scientists. In 1993 the FDA and drug companies tried to put all supplements under restriction and prescription, but over 4 million Americans told congress and the president to protect their freedom of choice on health supplements. The DSHEA law was passed in 1994 which does so, but this will be overruled by CODEX and the WTO.

Virtually nothing about it has been in the media. What the drug corporations have failed to do through congress, they have gotten by sneak attachk through CODEX with the help of a silent media.

So…what can be done at this late hour?

Spread the word as much as possible. Inform yourselves fully !!

Oppose bills S.722 and H.R.3377. These support the CODEX restrictions with US laws, changing the DSHEA law.

Support H.R.1146 which would restore the sovereignty of the US Constitution over CODEX, etc.

1) Express your wishes ASAP to the president, senators and representatives (they got us into this!).
2) Contact multi-level health marketing groups that can get their members to inform the government.
3) Send donations, however small, to the British Alliance for Natural Health (see website above). It has succeeded in challenging the CODEX directives in World Court later this month or next. They need help financially, having carried the fight effectively for everyone.

CODEX claims to wish to protect us the same way the FDA protects us from prescription drugs. To accomplish this, they used a study of prescription drugs (not supplements) by three medical scientists as reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association, April 15, 1998-Vol. 279, No. 15, p. 1200, "…Incidence of Adverse Drug Reactions (ADRs) was found to be extremely high." Covering 30 years from 1966 to 1996, it was found that in the US, an average of 106,000 hospitalized patients per year die from ADRs. That’s equivalent to 290 people per day. 2.2 MILLLION need more hospitalization for recovery. And these were FDA approved drugs, properly administered by competent professionals in hospitals…yet none were considered malpractice. ADRs represent the number four cause of death in the US. When combined, they account for 7% of all hospitalized patients. This is equivalent to a 9/11 attach every ten days.

Contrary to pharmaceutical drugs, there are few fatalities from supplements. Can you just imagine the news coverage if vitamins and supplements created the amount of death that drugs do?

There is no need for more FDA control of supplements than is already in place, which is substantial. Instead of drastically restricting supplements, why doesn’t the FDA better control and restrict the extremely dangerous pharmaceutical drugs which are now killing us at the rate of a major airline crash per day?

Wallace G. Heath, PhD.
1145 Marine Drive Bellingham, WA 98225
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The more insane, the better for these basturds.


689 posted on 02/07/2005 6:20:54 AM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: familyop

With home ownership up, way up, interest rates still at a 40 year low, and the biggest non union organization, National Association of Realtors, lobbying hard in DC and across our state capitals, they will have a very tough time with private property rights. That is number one on NAR's agenda. We fight the enviornmentalist every day. Here in Oregon we had, for a second time, a landslide victory about private property rights, the tide is turning against enviornmentalists, at least in my state.


690 posted on 02/07/2005 6:21:24 AM PST by thirst4truth
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To: verity

Its not paranoia it is very real. Just google for LOST Treaty and Agenda 21. Even the UN itself even makes no secret of it.


691 posted on 02/07/2005 6:24:44 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: Paul_Denton

If you live in CA, you have more immediate problems to worry about.


692 posted on 02/07/2005 6:29:11 AM PST by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: Dixielander; everyone
Recommended reading from the NYTimes best seller list: Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins, his life story, and his attempt to expose what he calls the corporatocracy that is running and controlling the world.
693 posted on 02/07/2005 6:30:54 AM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Pay attention now. Smart growth is happening in every city in this country. It promotes high density "ant farms" where you sign a covenant with your land lord

You left out an important part. You voluntarily sign a covenant. You may leave at any time you wish by selling your property. You may petition to have the covenants changed.

Now. When the state begins forcibly relocating people, grab your gun. Until then, quit being a kook.

694 posted on 02/07/2005 6:42:05 AM PST by frgoff
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To: frgoff
Now. When the state begins forcibly relocating people, grab your gun. Until then, quit being a kook.

That very thing happened in WWII with Japanese Americans, entire families including children. Whose to say somone like HITLERy won't try it?

695 posted on 02/07/2005 6:47:14 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: Paul_Denton
The draconian gun laws proposed for my state even include random home inspections. That is not only a draconian gun ban but an invasion of privacy.
696 posted on 02/07/2005 6:50:05 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: hedgetrimmer
· Pass your knowledge on to others. Don’t stew and be paralyzed. Take your knowledge to churches, civic organizations, and any other groups or individuals you can, and resolve yourselves to spread the news.

I give up. What knowledge? What info? I've read the article twice and don't no any more about Agenda 21 than I did before except that it has something to do with the UN and means the end of the USA.

sigh

697 posted on 02/07/2005 7:09:31 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Dixielander

"Evidence of the growth of the human intellect along the needed receptive lines [for the preparation of the New Age] can be seen in the "planning" of various nations and in the efforts of the United Nations to formulate a world plan... From the very start of this unfoldment, three occult factors have governed the development of all these plans". [Alice B. Bailey, Discipleship in the New Age (Lucis Press, 1955), Vol.II, p.35.]
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Seems as though it's always been out there for us to see if we just knew where to look.

Thanks for the linkage, DL.


698 posted on 02/07/2005 7:12:27 AM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: Triggerhippie

Yeah yeah yeah, Just look away and it will be ok. Trust me.
Witness the work of the thought Police.


699 posted on 02/07/2005 7:35:23 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: frgoff

No, here is what is happening in my county.

The county, which issues building permits, only issues permits for a tiny handful of single family homes to be built each year, so even though they are the most desirable properties, they are becomine as rare as diamonds here. So, especially for young people, their first homes are in stack and pack smart growth projects.

They can't accrue equity and move up because they don't own the stack and pack apartment and can't own houses that are priced sky high because of the restricted markets without equity.

The state is forcebly relocating people. They decide where the stack and pack developments are built(always on a rail line or bus terminal), they decide what kind of housing is built, and the covenents are actually between the developer and the state, not the renter and the apartment building owner. Since the state is building this housing to protect the world for "future generations" this kind of housing blackmail will never stop as long as we have corrupt politicians funding smart growth. Another form of coercion, the federal government withholding road and freeway funds, unless smart growth housing is built.

One more coercion that occurs, is that the planners design the workplaces into these smart growth developments. In that, they control what kinds of businesses can be operated, who can run them, and how big they can be. Its total economic control from jobs to transportation to housing. It is the soviet union reborn, and you can't get away from it in this country anymore.


700 posted on 02/07/2005 8:24:52 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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