Skip to comments.Big Media Won't Touch Agenda 21
Posted on 02/03/2005 10:37:05 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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REAL ID Act of 2005 (Introduced in House)
Most of the people who push these "communtiy issues" are plants from other areas who want to make an area more to their liking.
Same in rural areas. A real life example is the area my father lives in. He has a farm. The land is in a relatively low population area because of agriculture being the predominant economy. People from urban areas have purchased several large acreages surrounding his farm.
One acreage is 600 plus acres to the north. They hunt the land so it has not affected the area much. One area is probably equally 600 acres to the west and south. The west and southern land boundarys a large creek with bluffs and extends at least a mile down the stream.
That property has been closed to hunting. It was a prime area for hunting. There have been "nature trails" developed, complete with park like benches. The owner contacted my father about purchasing some adjoining acreage from him. That acreage is prime hunting ground that we visit every year to harvest deer etc. Of course my father is a no sell.
Private ownership of land is a good thing. But there is a cancer being spread by self proclaimed environmentalists who own property for the sole purpose of preserving or restoring the land. I believe it will be not too many years and that very land will be a foothold to a public set aside. I don't know if this is the case with the new property owners, but the actions are very suspicious to other land owners, including my father.
Another aspect of rural land grabs. The CRP (conservation reserve program). CRP pays land owners cash rent to keep land out of production. CRP establishes native prarie grass and promotes reforestation. The farmer or landowner sets up an account with the USDA (US Dept of Agriculture) and promises to keep the land out of production for a period of years, 10 or more,in exchange for say $50 to $60 dollars an acre per year cash. The landowner gets the cash money to use for the basis for paying off the land. So the plan finances land purchases as well as pays the current landowner. The CRP transfers to a new landowner who is obligated by law to fulfill the land contract or be forced to reimburse the government for all the money paid for the prior years. There may be other stipulations that make it hard to reuse the land as it had been previously used.
Since there is but a few farms and property owners it is very easy to establish conservation areas and buffer zones. Agenda 21 seeks to establish population zones and rural zones. Ownership of rural propertys are by a significantly small portion of our population, so it is easy to impose regulations on farmers and ranchers that city dwellers ignore and in many cases promote.
Another land grab is watershed districts. The US Corp of Engineers want to prevent flooding and soil erosion. So they designate a watershed that drains to a particular stream. If a landowner lives in that district they are taxed so as to provide flood protection and water quality monitoring down stream. Of course, in the watershed there are designated areas for wetlands restoration. And then there are conservation areas along the watershed for public access.
Every time government takes control of some land, the land is taken off of property tax rolls. This places a higher burden on the remaining landowners to make up for school and road taxes. Areas that have huge holdings of government land become economically depressed because of lost property tax revenue. Local government becomes financially strapped and the idea is floated to create regional government districts. That takes us back to the original context of this thread. Agenda 21 is all around us. Urban, rural, nobody is immune to all the "great ideas" to help preserve our "heritage". The outcome and objective of Agenda 21 completely undoes our national heritage. There is nothing more important in America than following the exact principles that brought our founding fathers here to seek freedom and land ownership.
See post 704 as well.
No indeed. "Anything detrimental" doesn't qualify for that about which I was writing.
"they'll be the ones with boot polish on their tongues."
..And money in their pockets for their "paid" opinions.
Brainwashing bump for later -- this concerns me.
You miss the tie that binds. Islam is the same concept of Communism. They work hand in hand. They are one in the same. They are of the same ideal.
To defeat any enemy, you need to see it for what is. Dominion Rule. Power. End of individual or State sovereignty. The end of YOUR freedom.
Good. This should concern each and every one of us, because if we lose our property rights, we have lost all our rights.
You are dead on accurate, Zark. The fight is upon us.
You would not believe the threat and the losses already sustained. "We people of the USA" have been under attack for a long time. We have lost much. Can we defeat the enemy? Is it too late? Do we roll over? Or............
I hope to see more and more people aware, and expressing, holding Representatives to account, etc. People MUST GET INVOLVED.....NOW.
I could not agree more. I've been researching Agenda 21 for some time but the URLs in this post are very helpful. The biggest problem seems to be convincing some people this stuff is really happening right before their own eyes. Our enemies have studied the art of boiling frogs.
SUN is very catchy. Stop the UN. YES! We are definitely getting burned, no thanks to the uN operatives here in America, working for dismissal of our Constitution. Those people are traitors if they are American Citizens. And if they are not citizens, who gives them the right to voice political opinion regarding American Sovergnity, and why do politicians even listen to them?
I did a Google search on the Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) for the State of Missouri. This link is a national map. Check your state for individual programs.
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Missouri 2005 Environmental Quality Incentives Program (EQIP)
The Environmental Quality Incentives Program (EQIP) is a voluntary conservation program from the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) Natural Resources Conservation Service (NRCS). It supports production agriculture and environmental quality as compatible goals. Through EQIP, producers may receive financial and technical assistance with structural and management conservation practices on agricultural land.
EQIP was reauthorized in the Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002 (2002 Farm Bill) and is administered by NRCS. Information about EQIP in Missouri is detailed below. NRCS, Farm Service Agency (FSA), University Extension, or your local Soil and Water Conservation District (SWCD) can provide more information. All Missouri sign-ups are conducted at USDA Service Centers. Your local USDA Service Center agencies are also listed in the telephone book under United States Government, Department of Agriculture.
Missouris EQIP program is developed using locally led conservation through Soil and Water Conservation Districts and the Missouri State Technical Committee. The Missouri State Technical Committee is composed of individuals who represent a variety of natural resource sciences and occupations including agricultural producers, agribusiness, nonprofit organizations, state and federal agencies. National priorities and national measures are an important consideration in EQIP program development.
Eligible conservation practices, financial assistance (cost share and incentive rates), local priorities, scoresheet ranking criteria, and scoresheet ranking points have all been reviewed and are used in the development of Missouris EQIP program. Based on the 2004 EQIP year, Missouri expects to fund 40 to 60 percent of 2005 EQIP applications.
Brought to you by the makers of Agenda 21!!!!!!!!
GeronL, you wrote: "Its more than just the UN we're fighting." Absolutely, and many more people need to understand this if we're to prevail.
Hedgetrimmer, this thread that you initiated has been an eye-opener to so many of us. Thanks.
Now since we know that our enemy is like an octopus, with
tentacles having a vast reach, here's another one that readers of this thread should be aware of. It is FEMA. Through a series of executive orders, some of which are listed in the first linked article, "FEMA: The Secret Government" by Harry V. Martin and research assistance from David Caul. http://www.heartsongs.org/FEMA.htm )
FEMA can override our Constitution and impose martial law.
The second link: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/facility/mt_weather.htm gives information about Mount Weather, a continuity of government facility with an expansive underground bunker that FEMA operates.
Why would they need an underground bunker? War? With Americans?
Glad you've got your computer back up. I'm listening to an interview with Joan Veon as I write. She just got back from covering the meeting in Davos Switzerland and she's reporting on it. Tune in if you like: http://www.rense.com
Mt. Weather has been in existence since early in this century. Now it is the command center for FEMA and a haven for a so-called shadow government that would operate should the present government become inoperable. There's too much going on there to present it here but for more information here's a link: http://members.aol.com/poesgirl/mtweathr.htm
Thanks for the links. I'll listen after daybreak. Are you listening to Jeff Rense/Joan Veon now? After Joan's interview ends Lindsey Williams will be the next guest.
No, its about the end of the day for me.
Do they archive the shows?
Yes, the programs are archived, but there's a membership charge to view them. I'll check around and see if I can find a recent interview that's archived and available at no cost and let you know what and where.
Here is how the state of California proposes to slef fund the smart growth control of the housing market and where people live:
State Treasurer Phil Angelides has proposed turning the state's real estate assets into moneymaking ventures, and channeling the earnings to an endowment that would support young Californians wanting to attend college.
The Department of Motor Vehicles and other agencies often have small buildings built on large tracts of land that could be put to better use, he said. For example, the DMV would continue to use the buildings, but mixed-use housing and retail development projects could be built up around them, Angelides said during a visit Thursday to the Mercury News.
The real estate assets would be transformed into a $5 billion-plus trust, called the ``California Hope Endowment,'' which would seek ways to attain returns. Environmentally sensitive land would be exempted. Earnings could reach $300 million a year, Angelides said.
Brought to you by the makers of Agenda 21!!!!!!!!
lol - yep. You nailed it.
My clock has 11:36 am. Your posting time is 12:19 am. somethings off. I'll check and see if the interview is still on. Thanks.
"WTC brought down by explosives"
"Paranoia in White House"
Sounds like something the Democrats would all agree with though.
LOL. I sent the email to you shortly after midnight. So, your computer clock is no doubt okay.
In Washington now they are at lunch break. When 12:00pm my times rolls around I will be making my calls to my politicians. I'll see if they have any answers to my questions, and if they don't, I'll ask them why they have none on such important issues facing American sovereignty.
"You are very brave. Thanks for the work you have done on this issues in the past."
Hedgetrimmer, I wanted to make this last post on FR and thank you for your kind words. Brave? Hardly. I looked at my family and no one would speak up. Then I looked at my neighborhood, and no one cared. Then I looked to my community and found not even a handful of people willing to risk it all for this country. I looked to FR and found some of the best Americans I've ever known, but FR has changed.
Why have I spoken up? Bravery? No. It's because no one else would.
Lot's of us appreciate this thread and the gravity of the problem(s) that it addresses in a manner that shows it transcends left/right, and goes to idea of what are our rulers planning for this country.
And what can each of us do to make a difference for the better?
The original definition of liberal was outstanding - thanks for bringing back the distinction.
Thats right... I don't mind being stroked, but sooner or later... I need closure!
The numerous links you've posted present valuable information from many sources. Combined, they reveal that dangers that threaten our freedom, sovereignty and lives coming at us from many directions.
Thus far I haven't worked my way through most of the links, but I listened to Michael Shaw's program about the Emergence of the Soviet State that demonstrated to me how Regional governance and council rule circumvent the voters' directives. If I've missed anyone who has posted links on this string, it was unintentional and my thanks to you as well.
Lodwick, I've heard Alex Jones talk about the toll roads in Austin. Do you have more information that you can share about this? From my understanding of it, you will have transponders or the like in your automobiles so that your usage can be tracked and later taxed. If it is successful in Austin and other cities, no doubt it will spread across the nation.
I've forgotten who posted the link to Ron Paul's liberty Committee, but that's one that we should all subscribe to since through its alerts, we can immediately and effortlessly contact our congress critters and let them know that we're watching them.
Haven't seen any links to CASPIAN regarding the RFID and Verichips , so here it is:
Thanks to you all. So glad to benefit from your knowledge and concern. If I've missed anyone who has posted links, it was unintentional and I offer my thanks to you as well.
It is a war on freedom.
Folks, this is not about left/right - it is good/evil. Believe it.
This toll crap is going in all over our country: just google toll roads and see it happening throughout America. For information about Austin's plan, and what we're trying to do to stuff it, go to Austin Toll Party .
I agree. The leftists and the UN are buddies in the same. I forgot the link but Ted Kennedy and some other Senator want the UN to control OUR elections. It is just insane.
Hi Dixielander, I see you have B4Ranch on your ping list. He was banned earlier today.
Oh no! What happened?
Sorry to hear that.
This is off-topic, or is it? I think not.
Action Alert: Oppose H.R. 418 (national ID)
February 8, 2005
Are the terrorists winning? When al-Qaeda attacked the United States on
September 11, 2001, they made it clear they hate America and want to terrorize
us into changing America.
If they could, the terrorists would destroy the unique American way of life. But they
can't. Only we can do that.
Tragically, too much of the legislation enacted by Congress in a knee-jerk reaction
to 9/11 does al-Qaeda's job for them. The Patriot Act took the first, disastrous
step toward fundamentally changing our way of life. Then came the homeland
security bill, followed by the 9/11 intelligence reorganization bill. And now the Real
ID Act of 2005 (H.R. 418) will be voted on Thursday, February 10th.
What's wrong with H.R. 418 -- a bill we are told will stem the flow of illegal aliens
through our porous borders? For starters, it does NOTHING to stem the flow of
illegal aliens. Instead, H.R. 418 will:
1. Establish a national ID card.
2. Establish a federally-coordinated database of personal information on
merican citizens with Canada and Mexico.
3. Use the new national ID to track American citizens when traveling outside
the U.S. -- and within the U.S.
4. Re-define "terrorism" in broad new terms that could include members of
firearms rights and anti-abortion groups or other such groups as determined by
whoever is in power at the time.
5. Authorize the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to unilaterally
expand the information included in driver's licenses, including such biometric
information as retina scans and DNA information -- and even radio frequency
identification (RFID) tracking technology. Carry a drivers license with RFID and
governmental officials will know your whereabouts 24/7.
Incredibly, H.R. 418 does nothing to solve the growing threat to national security
posed by people who are already in the U.S. illegally. Instead, H.R. 418 states
what we already know: that certain people here illegally are "deportable." But it
does nothing to mandate deportation. H.R. 418 fails miserably on this most
The Real ID Act or Real National ID Act will impose a Soviet-style internal
passport on law-abiding American citizens. Proponents of H.R. 418 say we must "make sacrifices" like this to control our borders and fight illegal immigration. But
H.R. 418 is a Trojan horse -- it pretends to offer desperately needed border
control in order to stampede Americans into sacrificing what is uniquely American:
more of our constitutionally protected liberty. H.R. 418 does what al-Qaeda could
never do without our help.
H.R. 418 does what legislation restricting firearm ownership does. It punishes
law-abiding citizens. Criminals will ignore it. H.R. 418 offers us a false sense of
greater security at the cost of taking a gigantic step toward making America a
police state. The terrorists will have won.
Urge your U.S. representative to vote "no" on H.R. 418.
Go to http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/alert/?alertid=6938731&type=CO
The Liberty Committee
HR418 is only meant to cover 4 items tossed out of the "intelligence bill"...you know the one that calls for 2000 border guards, but the white house won't fund. Our reps would like us to believe the problem of illegal immigration is being addressed by it. Not much. It will never get through the senate and it does nothing to stem the tide of illegals, but the 4 items in it might be okay, it just doesn't go far enough. Search "immigration" and you'll see posts about it.
Thanks for the info.