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Christianity attacked by ACLU
Wilson County News ^ | 02.FEB.05 | Thomas D. Segel

Posted on 02/05/2005 9:22:41 AM PST by SwinneySwitch

The cross was used by those who hated Christianity, first to kill Jesus and then in an attempt to kill the faith. Today, the symbol of that same cross is so feared in secular society that their own “personal terrorist” has been sent to rip it away from the followers of Christ.

This terrorist has a name, and it is the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). Rooted in hate and communist philosophy, it cloaks itself in constitutional phraseology and the American flag. In reality, it remains faithful to seeking the destruction of American principles.

Though it is bankrolled with an annual budget in excess of $100 million, the ACLU seldom attacks any entity with major influence and political power. Instead, it wages warfare on small towns, cities of little wealth, school districts, and nonprofit organizations. It attacks them with threatened or actual litigation, often winning unwarranted settlements from public officials and organizations afraid of extensive court battles.

The ACLU filed suit against a Pittsburgh school district to ban the reference of Adam and Eve in a biology class.

In Pennsylvania, a suit was filed to stop the teaching of “Intelligent Design,” which points out that both evolution and creationism remain theories. Another Pennsylvania school district found itself in court when the ACLU filed against it for requiring students to learn more about the origination of mankind than just the theory of evolution.

Barrow County, Fla., was but one of more than 25 lawsuits filed by the ACLU to remove the Ten Commandants from public facilities.

Litigation filed by the ACLU is pending in Kent County, Mich., against a charter school that allowed prayer and taught creationism. In Elizabeth, Colo., the Elbert County Charter School faces a suit demanding that all references to Christmas be removed from school functions.

Out in the Mojave Desert of California, the ACLU attempted litigation to remove a memorial cross from government land, where it had stood since 1934.

The ACLU brought the superintendent of the Baldwin, Kan., school district into court because he allowed a minister to explain the historical significance of Christmas to an elementary-school class.

Notice the pattern of these cases … all are in arenas where it is difficult for those charged to defend their positions. By the sheer power of having multimillion-dollar resources at its disposal, the “Anti Christian Liberties Union,” as many religious groups call it, intimidates its foes and forces capitulation.

Absent from the ACLU’s extended list of attacks on Christianity are any attempts to take on those who might happen to have a stronger punch. For example, military bases are all government property. They also have chapels, chaplains, and assorted religious artifacts, and often display a variety of religious symbols. Yet we don’t read about the ACLU going after the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marines.

It is said that the White House has a number of Christmas trees, and the first family sent out thousands of Christmas cards containing quotations from the Bible. Have there been any lawsuits filed by the ACLU against President Bush?

I don’t recall that leftist organization taking on Congress for having a chaplain or holding opening prayer. I don’t remember the “liberties” crowd taking on the Supreme Court for its display of God’s word. I didn’t see the ACLU go after the Treasury Department because “In God We Trust” remains on our money.

No, they work a lot like the terrorists we are fighting all around the world. They attack those who seem too weak to fight and those without enough courage to stand up for what they believe.

Sadly, those same governmental bodies and individuals could be reaching out to other organizations dedicated to fighting the ACLU.

The Alliance Defense Fund, the Liberty Counsel, the American Center for Law and Justice, the Rutherford Institute, and the Thomas More Law Center have all taken up the mantle against the ACLU. If they hear about attacks on Christianity, they are more than willing to join the fight.

Maybe more of those being attacked should put out the call for reinforcements.

Thomas D. Segel is a twice-wounded U.S. Marine Corps combat correspondent who retired after 26 years of service.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aclu; lawsuit; purge; secularization
Join the fight!
1 posted on 02/05/2005 9:22:42 AM PST by SwinneySwitch
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To: SwinneySwitch

The Alliance Defense Fund, the Liberty Counsel, the American Center for Law and Justice, the Rutherford Institute, and the Thomas More Law Center


So I should make the check out to.....?



2 posted on 02/05/2005 9:33:36 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( There's no Double Talk from Dubya!)
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To: SwinneySwitch
I have just posted this on Christian-news-in-maine.com with a link back here so that our readers can read FreePer comments.

Thank you,
Jake

3 posted on 02/05/2005 9:35:40 AM PST by newsgatherer
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To: SwinneySwitch
The ACLU seldom attacks any entity with major influence and political power. Instead, it wages warfare on small towns, cities of little wealth, school districts, and nonprofit organizations. It attacks them with threatened or actual litigation, often winning unwarranted settlements from public officials and organizations afraid of extensive court battles.

The ACLU should be considered a greater enemy to the Republic than al Qaeda, yet the US government itself actually contributes to it's budget.

WHY??

4 posted on 02/05/2005 9:38:50 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Your choice.


5 posted on 02/05/2005 9:39:37 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (America, bless God.)
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To: F16Fighter

We should start by looking at where these communist thugs get their money. Then we can bring pressure in Congress to fund defund them as an organization of religious bigots.


6 posted on 02/05/2005 9:42:21 AM PST by Luke21
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To: Luke21

Ack, simply meant defund...my coffee hasn't kicked in.


7 posted on 02/05/2005 9:43:05 AM PST by Luke21
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To: SwinneySwitch

These frivolous lawsuits that the ACLU launches have very little support with the public at large. So where does the ACLU get the money to function from?


8 posted on 02/05/2005 9:45:02 AM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: SwinneySwitch
ACLU The Anti Christian Liberal Union
9 posted on 02/05/2005 9:45:28 AM PST by RetroWarrior ("We count it death to falter, not to die")
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To: Luke21

A lot of the money comes from Hollywood. Norman Lear started People for the American Way, which is a kind of sister organization. The Scopes Monkey Trial was the ACLUs first big case, and was hyped in "Inherit the Wind." The fictionalized account in ITW leaves out that the ACLU actually spent quite a bit of time bugging the DA to file charges, as they didn't really want to have anything to do with the case. As is usual, they found a teacher, who would agree to get more and more outragious, until they forced prosecution. Then the story was "Evil small town bigots persecute poor teacher." They've been using this same playbook for years.


10 posted on 02/05/2005 9:49:15 AM PST by Richard Kimball (It was a joke. You know, humor. Like the funny kind. Only different.)
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To: RetroWarrior

Athiests, Communists and Lunatics United.


11 posted on 02/05/2005 9:49:39 AM PST by Richard Kimball (It was a joke. You know, humor. Like the funny kind. Only different.)
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To: Luke21
"We should start by looking at where these communist thugs get their money. Then we can bring pressure in Congress to fund defund them as an organization of religious bigots."

We can start with the US government itself...

It's up to the President to order the DoJ to launch an investigation into the matter, which of course could prove the ACLU is a bigoted organization who selectively harrasses all things Christian.

P.S. - Don't hold your breath.

12 posted on 02/05/2005 9:50:52 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Richard Kimball

LOL And the hits just keep on coming!


13 posted on 02/05/2005 9:53:07 AM PST by RetroWarrior ("We count it death to falter, not to die")
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To: Clintonfatigued

When the ACLU files a suit against a municipality/county/school district or any other entity that receives tax money, and the case is a "civil rights issue", if they win their judgment, the taxpayers, according to the civil rights law, pay their expenses. Yes -- WE are funding the ACLU.


14 posted on 02/05/2005 9:57:25 AM PST by Designed
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To: F16Fighter

It's time to say "No" to all this. Let's take these criminals out. Let's not leave it to "others".


15 posted on 02/05/2005 10:23:00 AM PST by CBart95
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To: CBart95

Your proposal may well wind up as the only solution.


16 posted on 02/05/2005 10:25:38 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: SwinneySwitch

I abhorr much of what the ACLU does, but Adam and Eve and creationism has no place in biology class.


17 posted on 02/05/2005 10:36:14 AM PST by Youngblood
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To: Jay777

ACLU ping


18 posted on 02/05/2005 10:37:59 AM PST by WarPaint (%^$# mecca. Be done with it. (Is this OK Admin?))
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To: F16Fighter

It is time, and past time, to call the ACLU to account for their soft (or maybe not so soft) bigotry, using the same "hate crime" laws they were so instrumental in getting into the statutes of various states. This is notat all about a black man being lynched by his "yellow-dog" Democrat neighbors, this is about erosion of the meanings of words themselves. Hate is hate, regardless of the backgrund or physical traits of the person toward whom it is directed, or the individual who is the instrument of that hatred.


19 posted on 02/05/2005 10:42:29 AM PST by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: alloysteel
"It is time, and past time, to call the ACLU to account for their soft (or maybe not so soft) bigotry, using the same "hate crime" laws...Hate is hate, regardless of the backgrund or physical traits of the person toward whom it is directed, or the individual who is the instrument of that hatred."

It IS "time; However, the U.S. Government and DoJ has NOT seen fit to roadblock any of the ACLU's selective harrassment of the nation's Christians and their (and the nation's) time-honored traditions.

Christian legal organizations must go after the ACLU and government with the same zeal that it takes to wage a war. And make no mistake -- this IS war.

20 posted on 02/05/2005 10:51:09 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Youngblood

How about a HISTORY class?


21 posted on 02/05/2005 11:02:32 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (America, bless God.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
The ACLU only succeeds because judges consistently rule in their favor. I'm sure that if you investigated the background of judges you would find that many have an old ACLU membership in there somewhere. Being a member of the ACLU at any time in the past should automatically disqualify a lawyer from ruling on any ACLU backed lawsuit. This group has deliberately set out to sabotage the Christian faith and remove it from the center of American political and moral thought. Ex-members now hold many judgeships and cannot issue unbiased rulings in the kinds of issues that the ACLU pursues.
Their motto should be: "Why seek change through the ballot box when the legal system is more easily manipulated".
22 posted on 02/05/2005 12:28:58 PM PST by finnigan2
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To: SwinneySwitch
Just fight back. Break the laws and make them prosecute you. Then unite, and march on Washington. The little Target boycott was just the beginning. Hit those who support Christian bashing in the wallet, the only heart they have
23 posted on 02/05/2005 12:35:14 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (Mayor of Jesusland)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin; finnigan2; F16Fighter
Among ACLU's founders January 12, 1920, were William Z. Foster, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn and Louis F. Budenz. All three later became prominent leaders of the Communist Party, USA, although Budenz broke with the Party in 1945 and became a militant anti-Communist.

In 1976, Congress passed the Civil Rights Attorneys Fee Awards Act, which was designed to encourage private lawyers to take on suits to protect civil and constitutional rights. The law provides that judges can order federal and state governments to pay legal fees to private lawyers who sued the government and won. The result has been a flood of civil rights cases in federal court. From The New American Feb. 2, 1987

It's an outrage that US law, passed during the Watergate era, allows the ACLU to collect attorney's fees for makework----Christian-hatng lawsuits it itself launches.

That means "values voters" have been footing the bill for the ACLU's launching a juggernaut to remove Ten Commandments images, Christmas creches and Christmas carols, taking God out of the Pledge of Allegiance, and because they claim they have a civil right not to see the Ten Commandments, a civil right not to hear the word “God” in the Pledge of Allegiance, not to see a creche of the Baby Jesus, not to hear Christmas carols. The ACLU has collected a huge amount of our tax dollars in this left-handed fundraiser for the ACLU.

FReepers can silence the ACLU with a bit of activism. We need to insist our Congressmen repeal this abusive law that allows the ACLU to get rich on harassing Christian America. Congress must repeal laws enabling the ACLU's Christian-hating activities. Cut off the ACLU's funds and watch them disappear. Here's what we can do.

Under the aegis of the ACLU's Foundation---worth some $135 million---any number of financial travesties can be hidden. The IRS should determine whether the ACLU is properly accounting for all its tax-funded activities, whether it is inflating legal costs, and whether it is using tax dollars for the purposes stated. We need to know whether the ACLU is engaged in Enron-style accounting and spending practices.

REFERENCE SOURCE FOR ARGUING REPEAL TO CONGRESS

Apparently, when Congress contemplated the fee-shifting bill three decades ago, it never conceived that 42 U.S.C. §1988 would be used to secure fees in esoteric battles over the meaning of the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

The statute gives a court "discretion" to award attorneys' fees to the prevailing party in civil rights cases.

Study of the legislative history of the statute reveals that Congress intended this statute to apply to civil rights abuses, including certain race and sex discrimination cases, but not to arguments about whether Judge Roy Moore is allowed to display the Ten Commandments in the Alabama courthouse.

During the deliberations on the bill, the Senate penned that "in many cases arising under our civil rights laws, the citizen who must sue to enforce the law has little or no money with which to hire a lawyer."[6] In the recent First Amendment lawsuits filed by the ACLU, the tables are turned.

Small school districts and municipalities can either defend lawsuits and risk paying the ACLU's attorneys' fees if they lose, or they can voluntarily submit to the ACLU's view of the Constitution.

Even if lawsuits over the establishment clause somehow fall within 42 U.S.C. §1988, the statute empowers courts with nothing more than "discretion" to award fees.

In these cases, one would expect courts to withhold awarding fees. Since this is not happening, Congress must take immediate action to clarify 42 U.S.C. §1988 to explicitly exclude lawsuits related to the acknowledgement of God.

24 posted on 02/05/2005 2:45:13 PM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: Liz
"It's an outrage that US law, passed during the Watergate era, allows the ACLU to collect attorney's fees for makework----Christian-hatng lawsuits it itself launches."

An outrage indeed...

Thanks Liz, for an important and enlightening post.

25 posted on 02/05/2005 2:49:37 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: SwinneySwitch
The Founders' acknowledgement of Creator-endowed life, rights, and liberty constituted the foundation for their Constitution.

That idea, encapsulated in the words of the Declaration, disputed all ideas that the rights of ANY individual are derived from, or can be considered to be grants of, any other human being or collection of human beings in positions of power in government.

When the central idea underlying the protections of the United States Constitution is permitted to be eradicated from public discourse and public places, upon what basis will future generations base their understanding of rights and liberty? Either the rights and liberties of individuals are PRIOR TO to their becoming a part of a civic society, or they are GRANTS OF that civic society's ruler or ruling body. America's Founders were knowledgeable enough of the history of civilization to understand the human tendency toward abuse of power, whether by one or by many. The power of THEIR idea was their recognition of the Source of life, liberty, and rights, and the need to protect them through a written Constitution, amendable by THE PEOPLE only.

As that recognition is removed from the minds of citizens by organizations claiming to "protect" their rights, one can anticipate approaching tyranny.

"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them." - Jefferson

26 posted on 02/05/2005 5:02:29 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: F16Fighter

You have emerged as a leader at a momentous time.
You have the helm Sir.
Carry on.


27 posted on 02/05/2005 5:42:19 PM PST by CBart95
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To: SwinneySwitch
"Christianity attacked by ACLU"

This is news??? To whom?

28 posted on 02/05/2005 6:17:33 PM PST by sweetliberty (Blind stupidity or blind loyalty is still blind.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Anything that we can be confident was an actual occurence should be in discussed in history class. Adam and Eve or a global-scale Noah's Flood don't fall into that category.


29 posted on 02/07/2005 7:07:07 AM PST by Youngblood
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To: Youngblood

When you studied ancient history, you studied Greek mythology and Roman gods and goddesses didn't you?

How condfident are you that those were actual occurences?


30 posted on 02/07/2005 9:37:43 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (America, bless God.)
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To: Jay777

Ping


31 posted on 02/07/2005 9:39:36 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: RepCath; Liz; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; ApesForEvolution; EdReform; ...

Ping! Looks like I found this one late in the game.


32 posted on 02/07/2005 11:41:08 AM PST by Jay777 (Gen. Tommy Franks for President in 08)
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To: SwinneySwitch
When you studied ancient history, you studied Greek mythology and Roman gods and goddesses didn't you?

I was never taught that Greek and Roman deities actually existed, just that they were the basis of Classical religion.

Are you proposing teaching that Adam & Eve existed as historical fact?

33 posted on 02/07/2005 11:46:40 AM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: SwinneySwitch

I think the answer is to put what the ACLU is doing second and go for the jugular vein by lobbying Congress to place a referendum on the next national election to make the ACLU a political party or 527 type of group and make their donations become private donations taxable by the Federal Government. The second alternative is to make it a check box on something like drivers license renewal, and in time the entire population would filter through the process. With the ACLU weakened the battle could still be waged against them in court and the tide would turn in concert with the changes occurring on the Supreme Court


34 posted on 02/07/2005 11:50:00 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Problem is they do not fight the ACLU directly.. What needs to be done is to sue the ACLU directly every time they sue. Sue to get our tax money back for there is nothing in our Constitution that allows money to be given to an organization whose sole purpose in the destruction of the United States.
35 posted on 02/07/2005 12:23:50 PM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: Modernman
"I was never taught that Greek and Roman deities actually existed, just that they were the basis of Classical religion.

Are you proposing teaching that Adam & Eve existed as historical fact?"

Are you proposing that the books of the Bible are not the basis of Judaism and Christianity?

36 posted on 02/07/2005 3:45:56 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (America, bless God!)
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To: RepCath; Liz; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; ApesForEvolution; EdReform; ...

Ping!


37 posted on 02/07/2005 4:44:43 PM PST by Jay777 (Gen. Tommy Franks for President in 08)
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To: All
You can join the fight against the ACLU and their ilk by becoming involved with and supporting the following organizations:

Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org

Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org

American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org

The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/

Stop the ACLU Coalition - http://www.stoptheaclu.org


Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:

ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas

ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits

ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd

Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit


Additional information:

The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back

Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')

ACLU fulfilling communist agenda

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings

See how YOUR Senator or Representative ranks with the ACLU

This group just started on December 3, 2004 and are looking for new members to their yahoo group

Let me know if you would like to join my ACLU Ping List!
38 posted on 02/07/2005 4:45:01 PM PST by Jay777 (Gen. Tommy Franks for President in 08)
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To: Liz; All

Prayer for the youth!

39 posted on 02/07/2005 4:45:37 PM PST by Jay777 (Gen. Tommy Franks for President in 08)
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To: Jay777
put me on that list, baby. You just visited my blog...on my ACLU post ACLU-Let's Stop Them Thanks for the info...
40 posted on 02/07/2005 4:50:25 PM PST by Caoilfhionn (Hold fast to the Bible as the sheet anchor of your liberties-Ulysses S. Grant)
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To: SwinneySwitch

You left out another attempt by the ACLU to remove any symbols of Christianity from the public square. Los Angeles County has a small cross on the County Seal. The cross is a historical reminder to recognize that Los Angeles was founded by Christian missionaries. The cross has been on the County Seal for nearly 50 years.

The ACLU sent a letter to the County Board of Supervisors threatening litigation if the cross wasn't removed from the County Seal. There are five members of the County Board of Supervisors. Two are Republican and three are Democrats. The two Republican members of the Board voted to challenge the ACLU, the three Democrats folded and by a three to two vote agreed to remove the cross.

There is no way anyone in their right mind can consider that a cross on the Los Angeles County Seal in any way violates the letter or the spirit of the First Amendment.

We asked the Board of Supervisors to put it to a vote of the people, which they rejected three to two. One of the Democrats is a latina, and her community is strongly opposed to the removal of the cross.

In any event, we are circulating petitions in Los Angeles County. If we get 365,000 signatures the Board will be forced to retain the present seal (with the cross).

We are running out of time. The deadline for having the signatures is March 1st. We have close to 200,000 and need to get the balance in the next few weeks.

If any of you living in Los Angeles County aren't aware of this issue, and haven't yet signed the petition, please go to http://www.ourfirstamendment.org where you can see the County Seal and download a petition.

If you want more information, contact me.

We need all the signature we can get in the next few weeks.

Tom Jefferson


41 posted on 02/07/2005 5:09:59 PM PST by Tom Jefferson
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To: Luke21

We should start by looking at where these communist thugs get their money.


A huge chunk of it comes from us, the taxpayer. When the ACLU sues a school, city, etc and wins they are compensated with public funds. In other words... we are paying them to shaft us.


42 posted on 02/07/2005 6:44:54 PM PST by loboinok (Gun Control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Studying Genesis as a mythological-religious text in history class would draw no protest from me. Presenting Adam & Eve/Noah's Flood as actual historical events would.


43 posted on 02/07/2005 7:57:39 PM PST by Youngblood
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To: F16Fighter
Join the Fight at StoptheACLU discussion forum
Join the Fight at StoptheACLU discussion forum

44 posted on 02/08/2005 12:17:34 PM PST by Jay777 (Gen. Tommy Franks for President in 08)
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