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Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo
UC Berkeley News ^ | 24 January 2005 | Robert Sanders, Media Relations

Posted on 02/08/2005 3:50:43 AM PST by PatrickHenry

A group of four-footed mammals that flourished worldwide for 40 million years and then died out in the ice ages is the missing link between the whale and its not-so-obvious nearest relative, the hippopotamus.

The conclusion by University of California, Berkeley, post-doctoral fellow Jean-Renaud Boisserie and his French colleagues finally puts to rest the long-standing notion that the hippo is actually related to the pig or to its close relative, the South American peccary. In doing so, the finding reconciles the fossil record with the 20-year-old claim that molecular evidence points to the whale as the closest relative of the hippo.

"The problem with hippos is, if you look at the general shape of the animal it could be related to horses, as the ancient Greeks thought, or pigs, as modern scientists thought, while molecular phylogeny shows a close relationship with whales," said Boisserie. "But cetaceans – whales, porpoises and dolphins – don't look anything like hippos. There is a 40-million-year gap between fossils of early cetaceans and early hippos."

In a paper appearing this week in the Online Early Edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Boisserie and colleagues Michel Brunet and Fabrice Lihoreau fill in this gap by proposing that whales and hippos had a common water-loving ancestor 50 to 60 million years ago that evolved and split into two groups: the early cetaceans, which eventually spurned land altogether and became totally aquatic; and a large and diverse group of four-legged beasts called anthracotheres. The pig-like anthracotheres, which blossomed over a 40-million-year period into at least 37 distinct genera on all continents except Oceania and South America, died out less than 2 and a half million years ago, leaving only one descendent: the hippopotamus.

This proposal places whales squarely within the large group of cloven-hoofed mammals (even-toed ungulates) known collectively as the Artiodactyla – the group that includes cows, pigs, sheep, antelopes, camels, giraffes and most of the large land animals. Rather than separating whales from the rest of the mammals, the new study supports a 1997 proposal to place the legless whales and dolphins together with the cloven-hoofed mammals in a group named Cetartiodactyla.

"Our study shows that these groups are not as unrelated as thought by morphologists," Boisserie said, referring to scientists who classify organisms based on their physical characteristics or morphology. "Cetaceans are artiodactyls, but very derived artiodactyls."

The origin of hippos has been debated vociferously for nearly 200 years, ever since the animals were rediscovered by pioneering French paleontologist Georges Cuvier and others. Their conclusion that hippos are closely related to pigs and peccaries was based primarily on their interpretation of the ridges on the molars of these species, Boisserie said.

"In this particular case, you can't really rely on the dentition, however," Boisserie said. "Teeth are the best preserved and most numerous fossils, and analysis of teeth is very important in paleontology, but they are subject to lots of environmental processes and can quickly adapt to the outside world. So, most characteristics are not dependable indications of relationships between major groups of mammals. Teeth are not as reliable as people thought."

As scientists found more fossils of early hippos and anthracotheres, a competing hypothesis roiled the waters: that hippos are descendents of the anthracotheres.

All this was thrown into disarray in 1985 when UC Berkeley's Vincent Sarich, a pioneer of the field of molecular evolution and now a professor emeritus of anthropology, analyzed blood proteins and saw a close relationship between hippos and whales. A subsequent analysis of mitochondrial, nuclear and ribosomal DNA only solidified this relationship.

Though most biologists now agree that whales and hippos are first cousins, they continue to clash over how whales and hippos are related, and where they belong within the even-toed ungulates, the artiodactyls. A major roadblock to linking whales with hippos was the lack of any fossils that appeared intermediate between the two. In fact, it was a bit embarrassing for paleontologists because the claimed link between the two would mean that one of the major radiations of mammals – the one that led to cetaceans, which represent the most successful re-adaptation to life in water – had an origin deeply nested within the artiodactyls, and that morphologists had failed to recognize it.

This new analysis finally brings the fossil evidence into accord with the molecular data, showing that whales and hippos indeed are one another's closest relatives.

"This work provides another important step for the reconciliation between molecular- and morphology-based phylogenies, and indicates new tracks for research on emergence of cetaceans," Boisserie said.

Boisserie became a hippo specialist while digging with Brunet for early human ancestors in the African republic of Chad. Most hominid fossils earlier than about 2 million years ago are found in association with hippo fossils, implying that they lived in the same biotopes and that hippos later became a source of food for our distant ancestors. Hippos first developed in Africa 16 million years ago and exploded in number around 8 million years ago, Boisserie said.

Now a post-doctoral fellow in the Human Evolution Research Center run by integrative biology professor Tim White at UC Berkeley, Boisserie decided to attempt a resolution of the conflict between the molecular data and the fossil record. New whale fossils discovered in Pakistan in 2001, some of which have limb characteristics similar to artiodactyls, drew a more certain link between whales and artiodactyls. Boisserie and his colleagues conducted a phylogenetic analysis of new and previous hippo, whale and anthracothere fossils and were able to argue persuasively that anthracotheres are the missing link between hippos and cetaceans.

While the common ancestor of cetaceans and anthracotheres probably wasn't fully aquatic, it likely lived around water, he said. And while many anthracotheres appear to have been adapted to life in water, all of the youngest fossils of anthracotheres, hippos and cetaceans are aquatic or semi-aquatic.

"Our study is the most complete to date, including lots of different taxa and a lot of new characteristics," Boisserie said. "Our results are very robust and a good alternative to our findings is still to be formulated."

Brunet is associated with the Laboratoire de Géobiologie, Biochronologie et Paléontologie Humaine at the Université de Poitiers and with the Collège de France in Paris. Lihoreau is a post-doctoral fellow in the Département de Paléontologie of the Université de N'Djaména in Chad.

The work was supported in part by the Mission Paléoanthropologique Franco-Tchadienne, which is co-directed by Brunet and Patrick Vignaud of the Université de Poitiers, and in part by funds to Boisserie from the Fondation Fyssen, the French Ministère des Affaires Etrangères and the National Science Foundation's Revealing Hominid Origins Initiative, which is co-directed by Tim White and Clark Howell of UC Berkeley.


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To: PatrickHenry
"The conclusion by University of California, Berkeley, post-doctoral fellow Jean-Renaud Boisserie and his French colleagues finally puts to rest the long-standing notion that the hippo is actually related to the pig or to its close relative, the South American peccary."

That statement is a crock. And I don't even need to 'splain why.

601 posted on 02/08/2005 2:44:58 PM PST by RobRoy (They're trying to find themselves an audience. Their deductions need applause - Peter Gabriel)
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To: WildTurkey
Why didn't you provide him with the invalid links instead of repeatedly trying to convince everyone with your repeated posts that you were correct?

Read post #61, the first post that I posted on the subject. Notice the words inside the parantheses. (Evolution of immune reactions, et al) This was an example of one of the links. So, I did provide him with an invalid link. Another example of inadequate research on your part.

602 posted on 02/08/2005 2:47:04 PM PST by SubSailor
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To: SubSailor

Be honest. Here is the message which gives you a redirect to the search engine and then to the article. Note that the message indicates it may be the fault on their server.




This is usually caused by a error in the web request; however, it could also be caused by a problem on our server.
If you know what the request should be, please check it and correct it if necessary. If not, you may be able to find the desired page by browsing our site at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov.

If you need additional assistance, send e-mail to webadmin@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov.


603 posted on 02/08/2005 2:48:05 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: DannyTN
Notice the tree. They don't really have a common ancestor, both animals are shown in the branches.

Follow your own advice and notice the tree. They have a common ancestor near the base of the artiodactyls.

You keep forcing people to decide if you're an idiot or a liar. You can even confuse ME on this, but doing so doesn't help your credibility.

Note that you wouldn't have to do this if all the evidence weren't against what you have decided must be true. If there were a shred of evidence or logic to support you, you could do a much better job of appearing reasonable.

604 posted on 02/08/2005 2:50:28 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Junior
And, as for "thinking outside the box," as long as the evidence supports a theory, other researchers will give it a fair shake in the peer-review process.

Nikola Tesla invented the AC motor and transformer, 3-phase electricity and the Tesla Coil. Tesla is now credited with inventing modern radio as well; the Supreme Court overturned Marconi's patent in 1943 in favor of Tesla. Ten years after patenting a successful method for producing alternating current, Nikola Tesla claimed the invention of an electrical generator that would not "consume any fuel." This invention has ben lost to the public. "I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device." - Tesla.

Tesla's evidence supported his theory. He actually proved it in experiment. Big money would have none of this crap of 'free energy' for the public. He was ridiculed and shunned and died in misery.

605 posted on 02/08/2005 2:51:10 PM PST by houeto ("Mr. President , close our borders now!")
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To: Jaysun

"Aside from the advances that we've made, man is the only creature that has a God conscience or religious nature."

Where is the conscience of creationists when they attack evolution with no facts? Where is their conscience when they offer no science to refute evolution, yet claim their view superior?

Where is the conscience of creationists when they alter scientists quotes?

Where is the conscience of creationists when they preach cultish heresy and conflate the Gospel and Genesis as needed for salvation?

I wouldn't put much stock in the conscience idea if I were you.


606 posted on 02/08/2005 2:52:43 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: SubSailor

Sorry. I missed that since you placed it with "ideas" instead of the proper place with "links". That's whats happens when you throw big BWAAA HAAA HAAA HAAAA! into your post. That is why you probably missed it in your proofreading.


607 posted on 02/08/2005 2:53:02 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: HankReardon

That's okay, I wasn't reeealy sorry.;o)


608 posted on 02/08/2005 2:53:50 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: shubi
Where is the conscience of creationists when they alter scientists quotes?

Probably the same place it is when they alter our posts. Had another creationist excuse bearing false witness because he was a soldier of God.

609 posted on 02/08/2005 2:54:41 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Junior; houeto

It gets worse all the time. And to imagine they let these guys own computers ...

"Tesla's evidence supported his theory. He actually proved it in experiment. Big money would have none of this crap of 'free energy' for the public. He was ridiculed and shunned and died in misery."


610 posted on 02/08/2005 2:56:53 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

God will court martial that soldier. ;-)


611 posted on 02/08/2005 2:56:55 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: houeto
Tesla's evidence supported his theory. He actually proved it in experiment. Big money would have none of this crap of 'free energy' for the public. He was ridiculed and shunned and died in misery.

Tesla lived a life of ease and relative luxury from the proceeds of his various patents. He spent his last years living in a NYC luxury hotel and spending his time going to parties and charity events in that city. He was not shunned nor did he die in misery.

612 posted on 02/08/2005 3:00:19 PM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: houeto
He was not "ridiculed and shunned" and did not "die in misery." He did make some financial errors and had to sell off many of his assets (including patents) to make ends meet, but he was such an influence that, at his death, the U.S. government confiscated all his research and classified it "most secret."

You know, a simple search of Wikipedia would have helped.

613 posted on 02/08/2005 3:00:31 PM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: houeto
You would concede though, would you not, that there are things demonstrated in this world that cannot be explained by modern science?

Yes, but your implication that these unexplained phenomena do not have natural explanations is baseless. God of the gaps arguments are ridiculous. You cannot just claim that everything science currently does not explain, was created by magic. This has been done consistently for hundreds of years by the church, and has been consistently smacked down by science. From a flat earth to geocentricism to natural disasters to disease to the diversity of life on earth, god of the gaps arguments are the last resort of people with no real evidence.
614 posted on 02/08/2005 3:02:31 PM PST by Alacarte (There is no knowledge that is not power)
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To: Junior; houeto
but he was such an influence that, at his death, the U.S. government confiscated all his research and classified it "most secret."

That was what houeto meant. The government confiscated his free-energy machine because of Bush's family ties to big oil.

615 posted on 02/08/2005 3:03:29 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

Considering he shuffled off this (Tesla) coil in 1943, the government must've used one of his inventions to divine the future...


616 posted on 02/08/2005 3:05:23 PM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: WildTurkey
Okay, I admit it was my intent to ruffle some feathers. So, I too was guilty of being antagonistic. However, there was a point. I really think we all should just stop arguing once in awhile and look at our motivations for arguing. I mean, really, why does it matter so much to either side whether or not evolution is fact or unproven theory? Why get so upset about it?
617 posted on 02/08/2005 3:06:16 PM PST by SubSailor
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To: Alacarte

To jump you ahead, houeto said science could not explain why the moon did not rotate. He was quickly informed that it did rotate once per revolution and he then said that was statistically improbable .... now he is onto the Tesla free-energy machine that the government or someone would have no part of since we could not allow the public to have free energy.


618 posted on 02/08/2005 3:06:25 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: SubSailor
Okay, I admit it was my intent to ruffle some feathers. So, I too was guilty of being antagonistic. However, there was a point. I really think we all should just stop arguing once in awhile and look at our motivations for arguing. I mean, really, why does it matter so much to either side whether or not evolution is fact or unproven theory? Why get so upset about it?

Who's upset?

619 posted on 02/08/2005 3:07:27 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: VadeRetro
"They have a common ancestor near the base of the artiodactyls.

Where? I don't see any pictures or drawings where the two branches meet?

Perhaps it's one of the following artiodactyls? Maybe it's the pig? or the Mouse deer?


620 posted on 02/08/2005 3:07:47 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: shubi

I assure you, you are wrong. Evolution is a fact.

I keep reading articles on the validity of evolution, looking for some conclusive proof that I could understand and would make "solid" sense and I always feel cheated.
This article is again disapointing, full of speculation and (IMHO) tenuous links.
Before I get called an ignorant idiot, let me say Calculus, Fourier Series and Laplace Transfers along with Chemistry and Physics were not considered easy subjects but I understood them. Evolution is very suspicious to me and far from a fact.


621 posted on 02/08/2005 3:08:04 PM PST by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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To: Modernman

Wolverine?


622 posted on 02/08/2005 3:09:45 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: UltraKonservativen
Before I get called an ignorant idiot, let me say Calculus, Fourier Series and Laplace Transfers along with Chemistry and Physics were not considered easy subjects but I understood them. Evolution is very suspicious to me and far from a fact.

Did you ever take a course in evolutionary theory?

623 posted on 02/08/2005 3:11:30 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: UltraKonservativen

Here is a good link to understand that evolution is a fact and the theory of evolution explains that fact:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

When you are talking about the theory, it is always being updated based on new data. However, the observed fact of evolution is accepted as far as anything in science is a fact. Science does not deal in "proof". Anyone that asks for proof is not a scientist.


624 posted on 02/08/2005 3:13:04 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: houeto
The order of creation was told in the Bible thousands of years before science confirmed it.

You need to either read your bible or take some science classes. The bible says the earth was created before the stars, this could not be further from how it really happened.

Even if your assertion was not completely false, it was still an after the fact prediction. Science received no help from religion in determining the order of events during the creation of the universe (thankfully, since the bible is wrong).

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH801.html

For 1500 years, every theologian was sure the bible told us the universe is 5-6000 years old. Now that science has showed us the truth of the matter, suddenly we see theologians trying to show how the bible actually says the earth billions of years old. They had 1500 years to tell us how old the earth really is, but only an after the fact prediction finally shows us... right.
625 posted on 02/08/2005 3:14:16 PM PST by Alacarte (There is no knowledge that is not power)
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To: WildTurkey

Ichneumon seems to be pretty upset.


626 posted on 02/08/2005 3:14:16 PM PST by SubSailor
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To: WildTurkey

Yeah, just because evolution proves there is no God is no reason to be upset. LOL


627 posted on 02/08/2005 3:14:57 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Alacarte

The Bible doesn't say how old the Earth is. That was a miscalculation by Bishop Ussher.


628 posted on 02/08/2005 3:16:23 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: PatrickHenry
While the common ancestor of cetaceans and anthracotheres probably wasn't fully aquatic, it likely lived around water, he said. And while many anthracotheres appear to have been adapted to life in water, all of the youngest fossils of anthracotheres, hippos and cetaceans are aquatic or semi-aquatic.

Gotta love assumptions.

629 posted on 02/08/2005 3:16:38 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: SubSailor

Not really. There is a difference between being fed up and being upset.


630 posted on 02/08/2005 3:17:20 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: shubi
I assure you, you are wrong. Evolution is a fact.

If I close my eyes real tight and repeat this 10,000 times, will I believe it (referring of course to evolution as all life coming undirected from a common cell)?

631 posted on 02/08/2005 3:18:58 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: WildTurkey

My perception could be wrong but I read post #480 as being upset.


632 posted on 02/08/2005 3:21:58 PM PST by SubSailor
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To: SubSailor
Wake up to the fact that your list of web sites supporting missing links are MISSING LINKS.

LOL.

633 posted on 02/08/2005 3:23:08 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: SubSailor
I mean, really, why does it matter so much to either side whether or not evolution is fact or unproven theory? Why get so upset about it?

For me, it's three fold.

First, there is the desire by the creationist side to get their religious beliefs taught in public schools. Evolution is science, and deserves to be taught in science class; creationism (of all types) is religion, and should be taught in Sunday School.

Second, I am sick to death of being call evil, immoral, a Satanist, stupid, a Communist, a Nazi, a Leftist, a Democrat, a sex pervert, a papist, or having something against Christianity because I understand that Evolution is a fact.

Finally, I find willful ignorance offensive. I am not saying that people who believe in creationism are all willfully ignorant, I am talking about the subset who, no matter how many times you point out the evidence, insist that there is no evidence. It's friggin' Orwellian. If you choose not to believe in evolution, that's fine. I can respect someone saying, "I value my faith over science" or "I choose to disbelieve the science on religious grounds" or "I am rejecting the evidence because I believe I have a command by God to do so." But don't sit here and blow smoke up everyone's asses by saying that there is no evidence.

634 posted on 02/08/2005 3:23:19 PM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: Tribune7

How about some facts refuting evolution instead of petulant scoffing?


635 posted on 02/08/2005 3:23:41 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Shows you how badly I misread the title, I thought this was a Star Jones story. ;-0


636 posted on 02/08/2005 3:23:58 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: HankReardon

From one Philadelphian to another, good job.


637 posted on 02/08/2005 3:24:26 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7

No, but if I clap my hands three times you will disappear.
So watch it!


638 posted on 02/08/2005 3:24:44 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Ichneumon; pharmamom

You are a veritable treasure trove of information. Made my thumb hurt, scrolling down. Ping for later reading, with a glass of wine!


639 posted on 02/08/2005 3:25:54 PM PST by pharmamom (Ping me, Baby.)
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To: SubSailor

Wait till the creationist start calling the "evolutionists" baby-killing Nazis.


640 posted on 02/08/2005 3:26:11 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: balrog666

Echidna?


641 posted on 02/08/2005 3:26:48 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: MojoWire
Why couldn't God, whom I believe created all life and sent His Son to be a sacrifice for human sin, have had His hand in the development of these animals' "armor, wings, poison glands, or whatever" over a long period of time?

Once you bring God into it, anything is possible -- even evolution. I just don't think it's likely much less beyond criticism.

And God made fossils to help us find oil deposits.

642 posted on 02/08/2005 3:28:11 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Mamzelle

No, God didn't design the human eye. It evolved. No Almighty God would have been so stupid as to come up with this design.


643 posted on 02/08/2005 3:29:07 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: SubSailor

Why are you so compelled to be blindly ignorant of the fact of evolution?


644 posted on 02/08/2005 3:30:18 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: WildHorseCrash

Thank you for your reply. It was well said and I appreciate you taking the time to explain it to me. I just find that both sides of the argument have supporters that can be a bit overzealous in their defense of their positions. Whenever I find someone who gets so emotional about an issue, I wonder what exactly their motivation is.


645 posted on 02/08/2005 3:30:38 PM PST by SubSailor
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To: WildTurkey

It is also "God created man in His own image and man returns the favor."


646 posted on 02/08/2005 3:32:52 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi
Why are you so compelled to be blindly ignorant of the fact of evolution?

When did I ever say I disagreed with evolution?

647 posted on 02/08/2005 3:34:29 PM PST by SubSailor
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To: Junior

militant? What have I ever said in this thread to earn the militant status? Just because I'm not falling for the evoultion hoax does not mean I am ignorant. Darwin came up with a theory and the scientific community has spent the last 150 years gleaning information in a bias attempt to support it. Maybe those who fall for hoaxes are merely open-minded and not dupes.


648 posted on 02/08/2005 3:40:04 PM PST by HankReardon
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To: shubi
The Bible doesn't say how old the Earth is. That was a miscalculation by Bishop Ussher.

My point was that the church told us the earth is 6000 years old for 1500 years, then once science proves them wrong, they start trying to show how the bible actually says the earth is billions of years old. I'm just showing how ridiculous after the fact predictions are.
649 posted on 02/08/2005 3:41:02 PM PST by Alacarte (There is no knowledge that is not power)
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To: SubSailor

Well if you agree, why are you nitpicking about links?

Anyway, I can't stand people who don't make their position clear and then debate anyway.

But since you seem to be a Navy vet, I forgive you.


650 posted on 02/08/2005 3:41:04 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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